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110. The CPI includes health care costs. And yes the econ is shitty

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:11 PM

Mar 2015

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I'm not saying the economy is non-shitty, just that its improved significantly from the lows of 2009-2010. But that was a very deep sucky hole.

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Krugman: repubicans are "desperately trying to claim that the economic recovery now underway is an [View all] pampango Mar 2015 OP

The shortest summary for all things republican " The SAME wrong answer for everything". Vincardog Mar 2015 #1

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hifiguy Mar 2015 #9

They don't expect different results mindwalker_i Mar 2015 #11

Says the Person with the Karl Marx Avatar On the Road Mar 2015 #109

The Problem Is That The Corrupt MSM And Hate Radio Will Claim It For Them. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #2

Imagine how much better a recovery it would be if Johonny Mar 2015 #3

sorry but the only people who are benefiting from any perceived recovery are the rich. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #4

There are tons of good, middle-class IT jobs. tridim Mar 2015 #6

My middle class job was offshored along with abelenkpe Mar 2015 #13

Anecdote, meet data whatthehey Mar 2015 #24

Actually the chart shows "jobs" created. Not good paying middle class jobs, just "jobs". hughee99 Mar 2015 #30

10 million+ jobs bhikkhu Mar 2015 #27

I'm doing quite well now Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #42

Well good for you. There are many of us who are doing worse than 2009 because liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #53

Y/Y inflation is 0.0%, weekly wage growth is up 2.1 %....and there are other reasons than mentioned. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #54

Except everthing imthevicar Mar 2015 #94

Inflation Truthers? It never ends with Republicans - good economic news is being desperately denied. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #96

Republican!? LOL! imthevicar Mar 2015 #107

One person's experience is not the economy, Ok? Anger is not evidence. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #108

Do you honestly think them thar guvmint bureaucrats don't look at how many ounces there are? progree Mar 2015 #99

Look, imthevicar Mar 2015 #106

I'm not saying inflation does not exist! I'm just saying them thar guvmint bumbling bureaucrats progree Mar 2015 #112

AH-Choo imthevicar Mar 2015 #113

See #97. I too have a huge allergy to bullshit. progree Mar 2015 #114

Good for me and my rich friends Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #57

glad to know you have such compassion for the millions whose low paying jobs liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #58

Every time I go to the grocery something has gone up at least a dollar. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #59

That sucks. I'm sorry. I completely agree. The cost of food is completely ridiculous. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #60

All measures of income and wages are up when measured in raw (not inflation adjusted) dollars progree Mar 2015 #100

Same here Roland99 Mar 2015 #62

Way to go Uncle Pennybags Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #79

Awesome news! Roland99 Mar 2015 #80

All-some-none. cheapdate Mar 2015 #63

Way to flaunt your wealth Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #64

well as long as you got yours who cares if other are suffering right? liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #69

Then you're going to miss this recipe I found for you to help you get by Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #78

wtf is wrong with you? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #81

My bad. Sometimes I forget cheapdate Mar 2015 #103

The rich ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #66

and as soon as that particular strategy fails..... Sheepshank Mar 2015 #5

Poor things, they know there is no recovery in states they control Warpy Mar 2015 #7

So this is what a recovery looks like? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #8

From the near third Great Depression to recovery took time, and these graphs prove nothing about Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #10

Oh, Democrats are supposed to bury their head in the sand and pretend there is a recovery DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #12

Agreed. There is some head in the sand burying and it is not restricted to party. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #14

There is a recovery. Jobs are one of the last things to recover from a recession. jeff47 Mar 2015 #20

Not to the level they were before the crash eridani Mar 2015 #21

So vote Republican and get a Kansas recovery. Bandit Mar 2015 #22

Statistics from the job market bottom of February 2010 progree Mar 2015 #25

Labor force participation rate is down. If baby boomers weren't retiring en mass- eridani Mar 2015 #73

Employment to Population Ratio is up 0.8% progree Mar 2015 #89

With shitty jobs. No gains have gone to the 995--ut's the 1% who have benefitted. n/t eridani Mar 2015 #91

Shitty jobs that pay better than under Clinton or Bush progree Mar 2015 #98

Inflation adjustments do not apply to real life eridani Mar 2015 #104

The CPI includes health care costs. And yes the econ is shitty progree Mar 2015 #110

Not by every single measure. Family income has been dropping since 2000 eridani Mar 2015 #72

Before the crash we had an unsustainable wild bubble economy progree Mar 2015 #23

that last uptick is the fracking boom Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #34

We'll lose some oil industry jobs because of low oil prices, and we'll gain jobs elsewhere progree Mar 2015 #37

Is "starting" a difficult concept for you to grasp? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #28

In order to call this a "recovery" Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #32

Again, recovery has a technical meaning. And it isn't "I feel good about the economy". (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #33

then that technical meaning must contradict the plain English meaning Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #35

You mean exactly like every other phrase with a technical meaning? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #36

So make your "technical meaning" explicit Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #45

it is for the average working person. who doesn't give a rip about what the top 5% think about it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #84

I used to call people 'sheep' too for merely for holding a different opinion. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #46

Um, "...the near third Great Depression...." truebluegreen Mar 2015 #16

1797 was the first major economic depression in the U.S. raven mad Mar 2015 #19

so which was the first great depression? cause 1797 doesn't qualify. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #85

wtf is wrong with you? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #87

And President Obama did it without the stimulus of a world war. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #52

gdp is irrelevant if 99% of the gain is captured by the 1%. which has been the case for some time. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #83

Yep! staggerleem Mar 2015 #40

the ones who only care about winning elections will completely ignore these statistics. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #51

+100. can i copy that? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #82

No. That's what the crash looked like 5 years ago. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #93

Raise taxes on the rich and the economy abelenkpe Mar 2015 #15

Bush's "Ownership Society" was what caused worst financial crash in history ErikJ Mar 2015 #17

Kick mahalo pampango Cha Mar 2015 #18

And, I repeat AND rock Mar 2015 #26

Technically, Republicans are right Flo Mingo Mar 2015 #29

Krugman is a cheerleader Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #31

Right, and we're supposed to take your word on economics vs a Nobel Laureate. Sure. stevenleser Mar 2015 #38

This thread wasn't complete Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #43

You are misusing that logical fallacy. That person's credentials are in play in your statement. stevenleser Mar 2015 #47

You might want to review the logical fallacy in question stevenleser Mar 2015 #48

I should say the same to you Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #50

So, cite your evidence that his authority is flawed because of bias or groupthink. Otherwise stevenleser Mar 2015 #55

Krugman is absolutely NOT sining "Everything's Coming Up Roses" here! staggerleem Mar 2015 #41

The only number that matters to the vast majority of Americans is wages Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #44

In 2009, I took a pay cut. staggerleem Mar 2015 #70

From the bottom of a multi-generational abyss.. sendero Mar 2015 #88

11.5 million more jobs and INFLATION-ADJUSTED wages higher than under Clinton and Bush progree Mar 2015 #90

We could go round and round about this.. sendero Mar 2015 #95

Ah, yes. Use them thar govt stats only when they make your case, otherwise deny them progree Mar 2015 #97

+1 nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #101

Believe whatever stats you want.. sendero Mar 2015 #102

I'm not denying that its a weak economy, I'm just saying it has improved from the lows of 2009-10 progree Mar 2015 #111

He is saying here that the recovery in high-tax, Democratic California is better than in low-tax, pampango Mar 2015 #71

So is FUD here on DU.... They sound familiar uponit7771 Mar 2015 #39

They sound under/unemployed. Try it for several years and see how rosy your outlook is. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #49

While deserving of empathy, that doesn't make their arguments correct. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #56

Nor does it make them incorrect. winter is coming Mar 2015 #65

Some folks think summer is coming, some think 'winter is coming', it is what it is. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #67

It's doing very well for Krugman Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #61

Pa as an example of failed republican economic policy. The Jungle 1 Mar 2015 #68

sounds remarkably familiar. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #74

Oh man MFrohike Mar 2015 #75

The GOP hates America and facts Gothmog Mar 2015 #76

Apparently so do some of the posters here. Kalidurga Mar 2015 #77

Its troubling that many on the left will also say its an illusion. DCBob Mar 2015 #86

If wages are stagnant, "good news" benfitting only the 1% really is an illusion. eridani Mar 2015 #92

Neither Republicans nor Democrats will provide a real recovery Yorktown Mar 2015 #105