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Tommy_Carcetti

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61. I can't speak for the prosecution and its strategy.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:53 AM
Feb 2015

However, having followed the case very closely and being quite familiar with its facts, I've come up with a strong hypothesis as to what happened.

Trayvon began to run when Zimmerman (a complete stranger to him) got out of his car after having followed him closely in his car up to that point. Trayvon ultimately ran down into the alleyway (the same alleyway where he would ultimately be killed) between the townhouses in order to evade and hide from Zimmerman. While that would have seemingly placed him near the home where he had been staying, keep in mind it was night time, raining and the townhomes faced out from the alley way. So a person not regularly familiar with the neighborhood such as Trayvon probably wouldn't have been able to identify the specific townhome where he was staying from the back of the alleyway.

So at this point, I believe Trayyon--thinking he'd lost Zimmerman--starts to backtrack back up the alley so he could continue to the street side of the townhomes, where he could identify the home where he was staying.

And I believe Zimmerman did not immediately return to his car but instead kept snooping around to determine where Trayvon had left. Not having found Trayvon, he believed he had left the neighborhood entirely, so he slowly began to return to his car.

Unfortunately, as Trayvon is backtracking up the alleyway, he comes across Zimmerman returning to his car. This happens around the top of the alleyway (at the "T" as it was called). Trayvon still has no idea who Zimmerman was or why he was after him (as Zimmerman never identified himself to Trayvon).

Zimmerman is still of the belief that Trayvon is some sort of "fucking punk" "up to no good" and frustrated that "these assholes, they always get away", and knowing police were already on the way, decides to attempt to grab Trayvon in order to detain him until police arrive.

Trayvon naturally and instinctively attempts to fight off Zimmerman's attempt to grab and detain him. (Again, note he still has no idea as to who Zimmerman was or why he was after him). At some point in order to get Zimmerman off him, he makes contact to Zimmerman's nose, knocking Zimmerman to the ground.

The two continue to tussle on the ground. At this point, Zimmerman--already agitated, first from having a major argument with his wife earlier that day and now by this perceived "thug" supposedly causing problems in his neighborhood simply by his mere presence--figures the best way to stop Trayvon from resisting would be to pull his gun on him. However, this doesn't pacify Trayvon but only frightens him more--this strange man who had been stalking and chasing him and who attempted to grab him now had a gun pointed at him.

So Trayvon at this point desperately attempts to call for help. Zimmerman--who we all know now is incredibly impulsive and aggressive when his buttons are pushed--begins to panic, given that neighbors might not take kindly to the image of him pointing a gun at a kid screaming for help. The fight needed to stop immediately.

So Zimmerman pulls the trigger and shoots Trayvon, immediately silencing Trayvon's screams. He then pulls himself up and begins to concoct in his mind the self-defense story to the police he knows are already coming. Since Zimmerman still had no clue that Trayvon was a welcome guest in the neighborhood and was doing nothing more than innocently walking him from the store, he assumes he was a "thug" and that the police would take the word of the neighborhood watchman over someone he perceives as a "thug".

20-20 hindsight given Zimmerman's numerous brushes with the law subsequent to his trial, and new information about the state of Zimmerman's domestic life the night of the shooting, only bolsters this theory more. Although I had it pegged during the trial.

Hey, we got a gun BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #1
We gots guns and we gonna use them. Killing is SO much easier to settle scores when you have a gun. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #10
Stupidity compounded. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #2
O.K. Corral ain't got nothin' on these pilgrims. Hoppy Feb 2015 #3
just remember that in the *real* Wild West Schema Thing Feb 2015 #6
Here we go again...easy access to guns by people who should never have one. Sancho Feb 2015 #4
And people will definitely phil89 Feb 2015 #29
Of course they will break the rules... Sancho Feb 2015 #57
Que the idiots that will claim none of this will work mikeysnot Feb 2015 #38
Gun culture magic. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #5
guns .. the simple solution to all of life's problems Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #7
guns, guns, guns! wonderful guns! KG Feb 2015 #8
I find this really confusing. Coventina Feb 2015 #9
It's more complicated than that csziggy Feb 2015 #11
OK, thanks for the clarification. Coventina Feb 2015 #16
That's not what the story said brush Feb 2015 #20
This story is so confusing ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #25
The story is only confusing, if you want the woman to be the aggressor happyslug Feb 2015 #45
The corrected version of the story released by the police is not that clear brush Feb 2015 #49
Here is the portion of the news story I attempted to paraphrase csziggy Feb 2015 #33
That was a really confusing article. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #24
Why don't you ask Trayvon Martin? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #14
He was shown during the trial phil89 Feb 2015 #30
Well, that was the theory put forth by the defense, who ultimately won. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #32
The problem was that the prosecution didn't present an alternative narrative Taitertots Feb 2015 #59
I can't speak for the prosecution and its strategy. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #61
Looking for trouble, isn't defending themselves... Historic NY Feb 2015 #17
That's actually what I meant. The mother & son were the aggressors, hunting the other party with a Coventina Feb 2015 #19
Go looking for trouble, you'll find it. davepc Feb 2015 #12
By going BACK to their home and shooting them???? happyslug Feb 2015 #21
So if they got the plate number why don't the police arrest the shooter? hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #26
They have a description, but after the shooting he left happyslug Feb 2015 #27
If they weren't going to confront them, why did they take a gun? SwankyXomb Feb 2015 #34
Some people scare easily, thus want a gun happyslug Feb 2015 #41
It sounds to me like they were more HappyMe Feb 2015 #36
There is no report of any confrontation except when her daughter was driving AND the shooting happyslug Feb 2015 #46
lol! HappyMe Feb 2015 #47
the entire family seems to be lacking in any common sense whatsoever.. frylock Feb 2015 #50
Yeah, not much in the way HappyMe Feb 2015 #52
so she just wanted to look at it? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #39
Then you explain why she was stopped in HER driveway? happyslug Feb 2015 #40
It's a poorly written story notadmblnd Feb 2015 #48
it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the son brandished his weapon frylock Feb 2015 #51
FWIW, I also found it poorly written and confusing deutsey Feb 2015 #53
Idiocy all around. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #13
Conflict resolution: The American way! LeftinOH Feb 2015 #15
Shocking geomon666 Feb 2015 #18
We have gone completely off the rails as a culture and society. How much further proof do you need? Hestia Feb 2015 #22
"I would never say that anybody went looking for trouble..." Iggo Feb 2015 #23
Stand your ground goes mobile! Myrina Feb 2015 #28
Of course she was looking for trouble. She went with her armed son looking for the still_one Feb 2015 #31
So which one was the good guy with the gun that stopped the bad guy with the gun!? villager Feb 2015 #35
exactly - guns kill people samsingh Feb 2015 #43
Dumb asses with guns Politicalboi Feb 2015 #37
one of the gun lovers was going to get shot samsingh Feb 2015 #44
this is the tragic reality of guns samsingh Feb 2015 #42
Where is the anti-TAX crowd? vkkv Feb 2015 #54
There's something wrong when a mother goes and gets her 22-year old son who has a gun. hamsterjill Feb 2015 #55
funny thing about morons with guns... Javaman Feb 2015 #56
What does Robert Meyers mean by this? City Lights Feb 2015 #58
She and her armed son became the aggressors when they got in the car to find the car and Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #60
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