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Senate passes tax bill 51-48 (Original Post) Egnever Dec 2017 OP
there's a special place in hell for them. DesertFlower Dec 2017 #1
I hope it is hot. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #4
Bless their short-sighted hearts. Hoyt Dec 2017 #2
Merry effing... wcmagumba Dec 2017 #3
So mad. And none of them will ever face any consequences for OliverQ Dec 2017 #5
They want our social security and Medicare. The debt is a feature not a bug onecaliberal Dec 2017 #8
FUCK THEM ALL! BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #6
Im currently an independent contractor and I use the ACA exchange. herding cats Dec 2017 #7
This is going to suck for a whole lot of people Egnever Dec 2017 #9
Sadly, the reality is most people won't feel the full real pain right away. herding cats Dec 2017 #11
Agreed they front loaded this piece of crap to give themselves cover. Egnever Dec 2017 #12
Oh, Im confident the Dems will use this for all its worth. herding cats Dec 2017 #13
So sorry to Cha Dec 2017 #14
Hey, Im good with a miracle right about now! herding cats Dec 2017 #15
Well, it is about as personal as you can get.. Cha Dec 2017 #16
We all have a right to be concerned about our personal health. herding cats Dec 2017 #18
Yes, we can hope those Cha Dec 2017 #19
I'm one. I went to my exchange and the only policy that Luz Dec 2017 #28
::sigh:: irisblue Dec 2017 #10
IF I drank alcohol .... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #17
CORRECTION: GOP passes tax scam bill. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #20
You seem to think I am implying they did. Egnever Dec 2017 #21
When we say "Congress" or the "Senate" did it, it implies Dems voted for it. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #23
The senate did do it and I don't think it implies anything. Egnever Dec 2017 #24
Messaging is important. The Senate GOP pased it, not the Senate Dems. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #25
Wee ok Egnever Dec 2017 #26
The only thing I wish upon these people is that they experience the same as we do. icymist Dec 2017 #22
that's an expensive petard. pansypoo53219 Dec 2017 #27
Will the Dems fight to make this permanent in 8 years? RandiFan1290 Dec 2017 #29
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
5. So mad. And none of them will ever face any consequences for
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:50 AM
Dec 2017

this unprecedented level of greed and evil. They'll get voted out, but I think they want that at this point while they retire comfortably with their millions.

onecaliberal

(32,890 posts)
8. They want our social security and Medicare. The debt is a feature not a bug
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:59 AM
Dec 2017

Rotten to the core evil fucking bastards.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
6. FUCK THEM ALL!
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:54 AM
Dec 2017

Especially Collins, Corker and Flake!

Lawrence O'Donnell said that when the Dems get the majority they can get rid of this corrupt, shitty, GOP,
rip off of Americans.

Dems had better use this on the campaign trail in 2018 and run with it! The Tax Scam, Healthcare and Russia should motivate people to vote Dem.

Take the gloves off and be ready to fight!
Anarchy in the USA?

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
7. Im currently an independent contractor and I use the ACA exchange.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:56 AM
Dec 2017

I’m so screwed out of the box. Yeah, we’re (mostly) all screwed down the road, but I’m their literal sacrificial lamb from the beginning.

Which is kind of extra messed up since I’m an independent contractor because of their messed up policies. It’s certainly not by my own choice.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
11. Sadly, the reality is most people won't feel the full real pain right away.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:08 AM
Dec 2017

I’m just unfortunate enough to be in the first round of double whammy. 2019 will be very tough on me.

In 2019 (after midterms) we should see the ACA victims coming out, though. There’s a lot of them, and many, if not most don’t even know of this part of the ‘tax’ bill.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
12. Agreed they front loaded this piece of crap to give themselves cover.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:10 AM
Dec 2017

By the time the water starts boiling most of these frogs will already be cooked.

Hopefully our party put's the adult pants on and calls this crap out loudly and repeatedly for the con job it is.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
13. Oh, Im confident the Dems will use this for all its worth.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:15 AM
Dec 2017

Even still, there’s only so much that can be done to repair these permanent tax cuts for the wealthy. As we all know, someone has to pay the bills and the working class is the one holding the bag here.

Beyond a real super majority and both houses and the presidency, we’re screwed. Gerrymandering pretty much prevents this mega trifecta from being a reality. Not to mention 2020 is another census year.

Cha

(297,611 posts)
14. So sorry to
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:19 AM
Dec 2017

hear this, herding.

I'm thinking I'll be one.. down the road a piece for a variety of issues.

Here's to a miracle happening.. it could.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
15. Hey, Im good with a miracle right about now!
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:46 AM
Dec 2017

Most of us will feel this eventually. I’m just kind of pouting tonight because of how I get hit twice in its first round. I’m being self centered when I stop and think about it, but I’m kind of angry right now.

We’re going to pull through, Cha. All we need is a blue wave and we’ll be ok. A big FU to the ‘both sides are the same’ and the career dividers. I personally despise each and everyone of them tonight.

Cha

(297,611 posts)
16. Well, it is about as personal as you can get..
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:54 AM
Dec 2017

you have a right to be concerned about your own health.

We can't help others if we're incapacitated.

a blooming miracle

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
18. We all have a right to be concerned about our personal health.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:35 AM
Dec 2017

I’m just hoping people begin to realize they’re about to lose their healthcare with this mess.

I already am paying out the nose for what Trump did to destabilize the market. My insurance was within what I used to pay under my previous employer last year. This year, yeah it was a whole different animal. (I live in a red state)

I helped a person signup for the first time on the 15th and they were appalled at the fact that they had only two choices of carriers. Luckily for them the cheaper of the two was within their network. Otherwise they’d have been paying $800+ a month for similar coverage from the other provider with a much more limited network in their area.

Seriously, two providers to choose from here anymore. That’s been my personal experience and my experience with everyone I’ve assisted, or just spoken to. All thanks to the GOP destabilizing the market. I had maybe two handfuls to choose from last year and they were all mostly competitive packages. I cringe to imagine what next year will be. I expect to be priced out either then or at the very best the following year.

Cha

(297,611 posts)
19. Yes, we can hope those
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:55 AM
Dec 2017

who voted for this atrocity to happen can get woke when it affects them personally, and do something about it at the polls.

I knew this was coming but until now it was in the back of my mind.. now it's front and center to try and not worry about.

I cannot wait until the pendulum swings back in the other direction where's there's help and hope instead of kicking people to the curb and trying to kill them off by the millions.

I wish the very best for you, herding cats.

Luz

(772 posts)
28. I'm one. I went to my exchange and the only policy that
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:13 AM
Dec 2017

I could afford was absolutely useless. Would be a waste of my money to pay for. My other choice was a bcbs policy that would cost over half my salary to afford, even with a generous subsidy. So...no insurance for us in '18.

Wish us a healthy new year!? 😷

SunSeeker

(51,678 posts)
20. CORRECTION: GOP passes tax scam bill.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:01 AM
Dec 2017

There, I fixed it for you.

Senate Dems had NOTHING to do with this abomination.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. You seem to think I am implying they did.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:08 AM
Dec 2017

Not sure why.

If it will make you feel better I am happy to edit the OP to put the vote total in. Though I don't think many reading here thought the vote went any differently than it did.

SunSeeker

(51,678 posts)
23. When we say "Congress" or the "Senate" did it, it implies Dems voted for it.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:16 AM
Dec 2017

In situations where it was a strict party line vote, we need to be clear who is responsible.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
24. The senate did do it and I don't think it implies anything.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:42 AM
Dec 2017

It wasn't the house that passed it it was the Senate.

On a board dedicated to politics? That has been talking almost exclusively about this the past few days? With nearly minute to minute updates on who is for or against?

Sorry if it offends you but I don't really think any clarity was needed here at DU beyond which chamber it passed in.

SunSeeker

(51,678 posts)
25. Messaging is important. The Senate GOP pased it, not the Senate Dems.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:58 AM
Dec 2017

If we can't get our message straight here, how are we going to get it straight out in the real world?

Why is it so hard for you to just say "Senate GOP passed it"?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
26. Wee ok
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 05:08 AM
Dec 2017

I'll try harder to stay on message next time I am watching something happen and posting about it in real time.

Not a single Democrat voted for it.

It was passed strictly by Republicans.

Hopefully that helps keep everyone here better informed.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
22. The only thing I wish upon these people is that they experience the same as we do.
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 04:13 AM
Dec 2017

Everything we have experienced may they also experience.

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