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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:13 AM Dec 2017

In the heart of Trump Country, his bases faith is unshaken

The regulars amble in before dawn and claim their usual table, the one next to an old box television playing the news on mute.

Steven Whitt fires up the coffee pot and flips on the fluorescent sign in the window of the Frosty Freeze, his diner that looks and sounds and smells about the same as it did when it opened a half-century ago. Coffee is 50 cents a cup, refills 25 cents. The pot sits on the counter, and payment is based on the honor system.

People like it that way, he thinks. It reminds them of a time before the world seemed to stray away from them, when coal was king and the values of the nation seemed the same as the values here, in God’s Country, in this small county isolated in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.

Everyone in town comes to his diner for nostalgia and homestyle cooking. And, recently, news reporters come from all over the world to puzzle over politics — because Elliott County, a blue-collar union stronghold, voted for the Democrat in each and every presidential election for its 147-year existence.

Until Donald Trump came along and promised to wind back the clock.


https://apnews.com/ee19ceb7cf0d4af4ab73c393708148bf/In-the-heart-of-Trump-Country,-his-base's-faith-is-unshaken

Can someone explain this? I just don't get it.
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In the heart of Trump Country, his bases faith is unshaken (Original Post) Joe941 Dec 2017 OP
"a belief that his president is pulling for people like him" dalton99a Dec 2017 #1
Jesus Christ, I'm tired of these stories. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #2
YEP Cosmocat Dec 2017 #9
Same exact sentiments... mreilly Dec 2017 #25
Ive had enough of this bullshit. Laurian Dec 2017 #3
The type articles seem to come almost daily lately. damn. riversedge Dec 2017 #4
They're ignorant assholes who can sway almost any election and whose numbers could grow FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #40
Can't fix stupid dembotoz Dec 2017 #5
You can't explain it Ohiogal Dec 2017 #6
Look, I'm sorry their little community has fallen on hard times. Girard442 Dec 2017 #7
How about a more neutral location? Why deep into red counties? uponit7771 Dec 2017 #8
Cause that is the "liberal media" directive Cosmocat Dec 2017 #13
+1, if the story was about suburban Tarrant county Texas then I'd pay more attention to it uponit7771 Dec 2017 #14
All these articles fail to mention that "Trump Country," is an island that's quickly eroding. Squinch Dec 2017 #10
Racism, sexism, ignorance Saboburns Dec 2017 #11
I disagree. We need a living wage... Joe941 Dec 2017 #17
Who thinks the maggot MFM008 Dec 2017 #24
deplorables. spanone Dec 2017 #12
As John Prine once said: kentuck Dec 2017 #15
Don't waste energy on this. Just help organize to win elections in 2018. LBM20 Dec 2017 #16
Why should they admit to knowing they screwed up... Orsino Dec 2017 #18
Same old shit. Where are the articles in those who have left places like Elliot County? GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #19
It's no mystery why these Democrats voted Trump Bradical79 Dec 2017 #20
Oh, look! Another article about ignorant, fearful people and wishful thinking! hatrack Dec 2017 #21
Fuck those morons. stopbush Dec 2017 #22
Donh't blame it all on a few thousand voters... kentuck Dec 2017 #23
Idiots like to live in the past. democratisphere Dec 2017 #26
Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #27
It is actually closer to... Joe941 Dec 2017 #28
Some numbers: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #30
I guess its changing fast... but Joe941 Dec 2017 #37
according to the 2010 census NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #32
Polling says otherwise NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #29
After they've taken their last breath of toxic Trump Air and the final shovel of foul Trump dirt is Hugin Dec 2017 #31
Can sombody explain to me how this is a story? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #33
And if he lies, so what? dalton99a Dec 2017 #35
Idiotic thinking Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #36
can only be explained by totally fucking stupidity end of story bluestarone Dec 2017 #34
A social class in the ascendency works for progressive change DBoon Dec 2017 #38
To stupid to know he is screwing them TEB Dec 2017 #39
Trump voters are idiots and are easily confused Gothmog Dec 2017 #41
What happened? Fox, Sinclair and corporate media psych-ops. Aided by the new KGB Cyberforce. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #42
What is this, article 200,000 about Trump people? ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #43

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,293 posts)
2. Jesus Christ, I'm tired of these stories.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:19 AM
Dec 2017

People on all parts of the spectrum tell themselves all sorts of lies to get through the day. It's not news.

Cosmocat

(14,554 posts)
9. YEP
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:47 AM
Dec 2017

more arse kissing of the sainted, salf of the earth white male ...

I am one, maybe not salted, and I have LONG had my fill.

Next time we read some home spun piece like this about minorities in an urban area will be the first.

 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
25. Same exact sentiments...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:52 AM
Dec 2017

... I don't give a fuck about these stupid fuckers, their "way of life", their "values" or anything else. They proudly raced out to vote for a dishonest, immature, lying, sexual-assaulting racist con man piece of shit. They can die in a dumpster for all I care, and I mean that very literally.

Instead of this shit we need articles about the youths coming up who are standing against racism, bigotry, hatred and dishonesty. About the undecideds who do have actual values - unlike the selfish pieces of shit depicted in this article - and how Democrats can appeal to them. About the independents who do actually have an admirable way of life and how progressive policies can correspond to that.

In short, content about valuable people with valid and worthwhile insights, not delusional useless assholes who fucked themselves - and us - by lapping up the bullshit handed to them by lying motherfucker just as worthless as them.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
3. Ive had enough of this bullshit.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:26 AM
Dec 2017

I don’t give a flying fuck what Trump supporters think or feel. They’re ignorant assholes whose opinions are worthless.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
40. They're ignorant assholes who can sway almost any election and whose numbers could grow
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 01:05 PM
Dec 2017

We are in serious trouble unless we find a way to eliminate Nazi sentiments in the US.

Ohiogal

(31,864 posts)
6. You can't explain it
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:30 AM
Dec 2017

They are all so heavily steeped in delusion, belief in false equivalences, and plain old ignorance, you just can't explain any of it. How sad that they could have been on Medicaid to help their son but weren't. I just want to rip my hair out over such stupidity.

Girard442

(6,063 posts)
7. Look, I'm sorry their little community has fallen on hard times.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:37 AM
Dec 2017

The only way these tiny towns could be sustainable in the wake of the collapse of the local industry (coal) is for a massive and continuous infusion of government funds -- something even I as an almost-socialist think is not a particularly hot idea. The best thing we could do for these places is provide enough support for people to have practical alternatives in reach, but that only happens with a government driven by the principle that all people matter.

That, of course, is exactly the opposite of what they voted for.

Squinch

(50,881 posts)
10. All these articles fail to mention that "Trump Country," is an island that's quickly eroding.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:47 AM
Dec 2017

Yes. There are still people who believe his shit. But their number is dropping every day. He has less support than any other president EVER.

These articles are meaningless, and I wonder why people seem to want to convince us that Trump's support is not waning when it obviously is, and it's waning fast.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
11. Racism, sexism, ignorance
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:48 AM
Dec 2017

Trumpers love to play the victims. They have their scapegoats all lined up already. Its not their fault that their life is bleak, and their future even bleaker.

How fucked are you when your best prospect is minimum wage forever, and you are convinced Donald Trump cares about you and will work to make your life better?

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
17. I disagree. We need a living wage...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:53 AM
Dec 2017

Where minnimum wage can actually support a family. I vote for higher wages.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
24. Who thinks the maggot
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:46 AM
Dec 2017

Cares about them LIVING let alone a "living wage".
If you need it, republicans say piss off and give a raise to billionaires.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. Why should they admit to knowing they screwed up...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:56 AM
Dec 2017

...when there are no means available to fix it?

No, without greater stakes for these voters, they'll go on pretending for a while longer.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
19. Same old shit. Where are the articles in those who have left places like Elliot County?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:16 AM
Dec 2017

Because not all the people being raised there are trump humpers. I went to university in Kentucky. And I actually know someone who was from Elliot County that now lives in the Northeast US. Now, he is a dick, but votes Democratic.

They should go to Lexington, an hour and change away and interview refugees from Elliot County. Both liberals with an education and all the lgbt for who remaining in places like Elliot County is a very real risk. Lexington is a progressive and very prosperous city surrounded by places like Elliot County. They prosper because the have all the open minded people from a 200 mile diameter around the city.

And while they are at it focus on how many of these angry, bitter, racist voters have kids on meth and Opioids. They are the kids who got their parents values. Not universal of course as anyone can fall into addiction. But being raised without hope makes it more likely.

My family is from a place like this. Many of us left and opened our minds as did a few who stayed. But most are just deplorable and are not subject to my sympathy.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
20. It's no mystery why these Democrats voted Trump
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:19 AM
Dec 2017

They were Democrats primarily due to their union memberships, but when their particular industry (coal) is on its death bed, they've chosen delusion over change. Can't do much about that except refining messaging, and relaying better plans to revive their communities if possible. Right now though, so many just want to be lied to.

kentuck

(111,031 posts)
23. Donh't blame it all on a few thousand voters...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:26 AM
Dec 2017

when Trump received over 62 million votes.

There is a lot of blame to go around.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
26. Idiots like to live in the past.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017

They're too stupid to know when the have been Hoodwinked and Bamboozled by drumpf!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. Recommended.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:04 PM
Dec 2017

An interesting story, but it rests on an imagined US that never really existed. Similar to country music videos which generally portray the US as a country of small towns and small farms while 80% of the population actually lives in cities.

edited to change 90% to 80%

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
28. It is actually closer to...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:06 PM
Dec 2017

50% rural and 50% urban. I think a few years back the balanced swayed to urban population but its not nearly 90% urban.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
30. Some numbers:
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:07 PM
Dec 2017
America has grown even more urban. According to new numbers just released from the U.S. Census Bureau, 80.7 percent of the U.S. population lived in urban areas as of the 2010 Census, a boost from the 79 percent counted in 2000.


https://www.citylab.com/equity/2012/03/us-urban-population-what-does-urban-really-mean/1589/

I was a bit closer.
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
37. I guess its changing fast... but
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:23 PM
Dec 2017

I looked at that data. I guess it all depends on what you consider urban. For example I'm very familiar with north dakota and I'd say besides a few cities its all little rural towns. Yet that data says many little towns are urban.

Hugin

(32,946 posts)
31. After they've taken their last breath of toxic Trump Air and the final shovel of foul Trump dirt is
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:09 PM
Dec 2017

scooped onto their foreign made knock-off Trump coffin they'll still continue to blame Democrats, Hillary, and Obama for everything bad that has ever happened to them.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,382 posts)
33. Can sombody explain to me how this is a story?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:11 PM
Dec 2017

Story after story about Trump's "base" voters seems pretty much the same I can practically tell somebody what they are about without even reading it: Trump voters' problems haven't been solved yet and, despite Trump's obvious gross incompetence and lack of actual substantive policy prescription for their particular issue(s), they still support him and maintain their unwavering/blind faith that he will come through for them in the end.

Have I got that about right?


Trump voters realizing that they've been duped and planning to support Democrats and/or non-Trump loyalist Republicans (are there actually any left in Congress) in the next elections, now THAT would be a story.

dalton99a

(81,284 posts)
35. And if he lies, so what?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:14 PM
Dec 2017
“Here’s the big thing,” he says, shuffling the deck of cards, “if Trump lies to us, it won’t be anything different than what the rest of them always did.”

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,382 posts)
36. Idiotic thinking
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:18 PM
Dec 2017

I get some level of disillusionment in politics, but the answer isn't to just give up and accept Trump's depravity and dishonesty.

DBoon

(22,325 posts)
38. A social class in the ascendency works for progressive change
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 12:24 PM
Dec 2017

a social class in decline fights all change and holds tightly to its past

This is not the working class of Eugene Debs National Railway Union

This is not Harry Bridge's ILWU or the coal miners of Harlan County

ismnotwasm

(41,949 posts)
43. What is this, article 200,000 about Trump people?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 04:41 PM
Dec 2017

Not here at DU, necessarily but they sure pop up regularly just about everywhere. I don’t care about those people.

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