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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:38 PM Dec 2017

Hillary Clinton just retweeted this.


Retweet if you agree it’s totally crazy to suggest that the FBI — having helped sink Hillary’s campaign by revealing that she was under investigation while concealing that Trump was being investigated — has secretly been anti-Trump all along.






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Hillary Clinton just retweeted this. (Original Post) kpete Dec 2017 OP
The cult is allergic to logic dalton99a Dec 2017 #1
So this.... Heartstrings Dec 2017 #9
But to Trump's base they will see the FBI as part of the "Deep State" conspiracy out to get Donny. Botany Dec 2017 #2
If Mueller and Team were investigating a Dem, he would be treated like... Raster Dec 2017 #3
The New Yorker: Paul Ryan, What is said in the family stays in the family." Botany Dec 2017 #4
Beware the dark art of Russian blackmail dalton99a Dec 2017 #5
The FBI and Comey deliberately torpedoed her candidacy going back to 2015. StevieM Dec 2017 #6
I agree. I don't understand why this is not a violation of the Hatch Act. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #10
NY FBI and Ghouliani itcfish Dec 2017 #14
I agree with Prof. Tribe Gothmog Dec 2017 #7
Me Too disndat Dec 2017 #26
It wasn't the FBI releasing Comey's classified memo to Congress, it was an Idiot Congress Critter. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #8
Come on. Comey is no fool. He knew the memo would be leaked as intended. He let a fellow... brush Dec 2017 #11
You just praised trump for obstructing justice. Have a nice day. yodermon Dec 2017 #19
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one, and yes, Comey deserved his comeuppance... brush Dec 2017 #20
Rudy G and the corrupt NY FBI field office were going to leak the weiner laptop info *anyway*. yodermon Dec 2017 #28
You'll get it when you acknowledge that Comey didn't reveal he was also investigating trump brush Dec 2017 #31
Why is Comey being blamed. disndat Dec 2017 #21
Simple. Because in his Oct. letter he disclosed that Clinton was being investigated... brush Dec 2017 #27
The electoral college disndat Dec 2017 #29
Hillary's poll numbers dropped after the Comey letter, and IMO it's naive not to think that letter.. brush Dec 2017 #30
Comey knew that the letter would be leaked. joshcryer Dec 2017 #13
Kick! Cha Dec 2017 #12
I'm so glad there are smart people on top of this witch hunt against the FBI and Mueller. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #15
Done! lunamagica Dec 2017 #16
You're sort of asking republicans to think. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #17
Crazy, mass manipulation attempted saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #18
Amen! PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #22
Dunderhead Huckabeebots don't get it. oasis Dec 2017 #23
There's that 'logic' thing again. SHRED Dec 2017 #24
KNR Lucinda Dec 2017 #25

Botany

(70,504 posts)
2. But to Trump's base they will see the FBI as part of the "Deep State" conspiracy out to get Donny.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:43 PM
Dec 2017

Watch Fox News and you wouldn't know that Mueller is a war hero and a republican.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. If Mueller and Team were investigating a Dem, he would be treated like...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

...the infallible Son of God. I believe there is more in play than just Republicans trying to protect their fake president.

I think Russia/FSB/Putin*:

1. Have given large amounts of "dark money" campaign cash to Rethugs, and they are trying to make sure that never sees the light of day.

2. The RNC servers were also hacked, as were Rethug "dark" servers. I think Putin* and Co. are sitting on a huge amount of embarrassing data on many Rethug pols.

3. I also think Russia has "the receipts" showing just how much "assistance" they have given various Rethug pols in their various races. The good news is that Russia is going to give a Rethug financial assistance for their campaign. The bad news is that ONCE YOU TAKE A DIME, THEY OWN YOU.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
4. The New Yorker: Paul Ryan, What is said in the family stays in the family."
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:59 PM
Dec 2017

Paul Ryan Keeps It All in the Family

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, according to Entous, a superb reporter who heard a tape recording of the colloquy. “Swear to God.

snip

In the Post piece, McCarthy’s remark is met with laughter, and Ryan cautions his colleagues, “This is an off the record . . . No leaks! . . . All right?”

And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, “This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

“That’s how you know that we’re tight,” Steve Scalise, the House Majority Whip, says.



*********

And how did McConnell know that by blocking Garland for the SCOTUS he would get
somebody he liked better after the election?

dalton99a

(81,486 posts)
5. Beware the dark art of Russian blackmail
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:59 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/01/11/beware-the-dark-art-of-russian-blackmail/
Beware the dark art of Russian blackmail
By Christian Caryl | January 11

...

Blackmail exists everywhere, of course. But nowhere else has it become such a prominent part of political life as in post-Soviet Russia. In the wild 1990s, the gray men of the old KGB sold their talents to the highest bidders, and plenty were willing to bid: newly minted millionaires, would-be politicians, mobsters. Countless private security services competed to see who could produce the dirtiest dirt, and journalists — another feature of a strange new world of turbulent freedom — were happy to publish what they dug up.

Putin learned well. As president he soon cracked down on both the freelance spies and the journalists, but he never forgot his early lessons about the uses of kompromat, from the Russian for “compromising material.” Discrediting an enemy, he realized, can be far more effective than throwing them in jail, so the culture of kompromat has continued to thrive under his rule — though it’s now primarily deployed in the services of the Russian state.

A liberal political rival wants to be president? Have the evening news show an interview with members of a gay club singing his praises (a great way to discredit him in the eyes of a homophobic public). A billionaire oligarch challenges your power? Dig into his seamy financial dealings and share them with muckrakers. An elderly dissident criticizes you from the safety of British exile? Have your hackers covertly plant child pornography on his computer and notify the relevant authorities. As these examples show, kompromat is best viewed as a form of information warfare, sometimes true, sometimes not. More often it’s an artful mixture — all the better to intimidate and confuse.

Donald Trump actually seems to know all this quite well. During his extraordinary news conference Wednesday, he claimed to be well aware of the particular risks of operating in Putin territory. “I was in Russia, years ago, with the Miss Universe contest, which did very well,” he said. “Moscow, the Moscow area. Did very, very well. And I told many people, ‘Be careful. Because you don’t wanna see yourself on television. Cameras all over the place.’” He hastened to add, though, that he doesn’t really see Russia as exceptional in that respect.



StevieM

(10,500 posts)
6. The FBI and Comey deliberately torpedoed her candidacy going back to 2015.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:03 PM
Dec 2017

They targeted her over and over again. Comey made it impossible for her to win.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
8. It wasn't the FBI releasing Comey's classified memo to Congress, it was an Idiot Congress Critter.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:04 PM
Dec 2017

Tribe should at least know that much!

brush

(53,778 posts)
11. Come on. Comey is no fool. He knew the memo would be leaked as intended. He let a fellow...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:43 PM
Dec 2017

repug hack do it, thinking his hands would be clean.

That was a slight miscalculation as it came back to him but the dirty deed was done and it torpedoed Hillary's campaign.

Comey made other, more significant miscalculations as well — the first, helping to install trump was huge; the second, seeking redemption with his investigation of trump after realizing the magnitude of his fuck-up in installing trump in the first place.

He got fired for that one — hoisted, as they say, on his own petard, and deservedly so.

brush

(53,778 posts)
20. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one, and yes, Comey deserved his comeuppance...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 11:47 PM
Dec 2017

for swinging the election to the least prepared and worse ever occupant of the WH.

That's what you were trying to say, right?

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
28. Rudy G and the corrupt NY FBI field office were going to leak the weiner laptop info *anyway*.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:13 PM
Dec 2017

Rudy said so on live tv, with his own mouth.

Comey sent the letter as a pre-emptive CYA measure, *still assuming Hillary would win*.

Had she won, he would have been criticized for "suppressing evidence" of her email "scandal".

Just saying "hes a repuke who threw the election to the repuke" is a vast oversimplification but whatever floats it for ya.

Maybe when he testifies against trump in his treason trial you'll get it.

brush

(53,778 posts)
31. You'll get it when you acknowledge that Comey didn't reveal he was also investigating trump
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 08:22 PM
Dec 2017

A fact you're ignoring just as Comey did.

You got that?

disndat

(1,887 posts)
21. Why is Comey being blamed.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:32 AM
Dec 2017

Correct me if I am I wrong, but didn't H.C. win by the largest margin ever, outside of the Rust Belt?

brush

(53,778 posts)
27. Simple. Because in his Oct. letter he disclosed that Clinton was being investigated...
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:01 PM
Dec 2017

for allegedly "new" emails but he didn't disclose that trump was also being investigated at the same time for possible Russian collusion.

And in so doing Comey violated the Hatch Act.

Clinton's poll numbers immediately dropped and trump's went up.

If Comey had been fair he would've released info that both were being investigated.

He wasn't interested in being fair or not interfering with an election (Hatch Act), he was interested in swinging the election to his fellow repug, trump.

As it was, there were no new emails and the trump investigation is still on-going with guilty pleas, several indictments with more probably coming.

So yeah, Comey is to blame for changing the course of history.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
29. The electoral college
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

Would Hillary have won the Rust Belt States except for what you say was the dip in the polls, after Comey's disclosure?
I am not sure if H.C. won the most popular votes ever in a presidential election, but I am not sure if the popular vote changed
after the Comey's disclosure which was a few days before the election. The polls, I think, still had HC way ahead.

brush

(53,778 posts)
30. Hillary's poll numbers dropped after the Comey letter, and IMO it's naive not to think that letter..
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 08:18 PM
Dec 2017

didn't influence some rust belt voters (reflected by her drop in the polls immediately after) and thus, the electoral college vote.

You paragraph about the popular vote is not clear. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. That is not in dispute.

Comey has to live with the damage to the country the imbecile he help gain the WH has done.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
13. Comey knew that the letter would be leaked.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 04:04 PM
Dec 2017

But by the same token Obama knew that the FBI was investigating Russian ties to Trump and kept a tight lip on the whole thing. Democrats on the intelligence committee probably knew, as well, and they didn't leak.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
17. You're sort of asking republicans to think.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:39 PM
Dec 2017

There is no evidence that they can do that. There is ample evidence that they avoid doing so with a rabid avoidance. If I behaved like them, I wouldn't want to look in the mirror either.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. Crazy, mass manipulation attempted
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:42 PM
Dec 2017

The FBI was loyal to Mr. Comey. He appointed many Republicans and few Democrats into the power sharing circle. Like most Americans, we are disgusted with this attempt to smear our democracy and make it seem like a Russian puppet nation is the way to go.

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