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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:58 PM Jul 2012

Back where I come from

(yes, this is titled after the song of the same name)

My grandfather was the mayor and police chief (at the same time) of a one stoplight town in eastern Ohio. Grandma was a school teacher.

Dad grew up near Baltimore, Maryland and moved to that same small town later where he met my mom.

It was a simple time in that small town. Grandpa created a park where kids could play (and he and grandma kept the basketballs at their house, which was at the entrance of the park). He didn't play favorites (neither did grandma) - he once gave my mom, his daughter, a ticket for running a stop sign. Grandma held mom back in the second grade.

I remember spending part of my childhood there - it was like Mayberry and Andy Griffith. Everyone knew everyone else.

You didn't live in fear of your neighbor. Kids went to school and no one ever feared that something bad would happen to them. There was one theatre there (a fact which I often chided my cousins over as I lived here in Columbus and we had more movie places in walking distance than they would ever hope to have - now most of them are gone), there was one main grocery store that my uncle worked at. Churches and bars outnumbered everything other business.

I didn't grow up being afraid of others for the most part. I would walk from big nanny's house to little nanny's house (big nanny was big, and little nanny was short and scrawny -maybe not politically correct but we were little kids and that is what called them). The folks in that town are what we today would call 'good old boys'.

Dad and others owned guns and there were shooting clubs in schools there. Folks went hunting, fishing, and us kids would often make things called 'tennis ball cannons' - we used lighter fluid and would pour it into the bottom of tennis ball tubes (the tubes tennis balls came in) and then light them up - we could shoot tennis balls a long distance.

It never occurred (generally) to folks that some would go out and kill others using what we saw was a simple tool. We weren't ignorant or stupid- there was the Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King, etc and so on - it was obvious even to me, a young boy (born in 1965) that there were some scary folks out there.

I didn't grow up fearing guns or people in general. I had a fear of the KKK and still remember when I was just a young lad being afraid to come home to Columbus after a weekend in Byesville because the klan was here protesting. My mom told me not to worry about it, that they were just stupid.

Everyone, including my dad, owned a gun. Some used them for hunting, others just had them because they had grown up around them (i.e., they were in the home from the time they were born but never used because they didn't hunt for their food). I remember shooting guns on new years' eve as a celebration. Uncles, friend's, neighbors, all owned them growing up - some went hunting and would bring back enough deer meat to last a winter. Others hunted squirrel and pheasant.

Many had fought in wars and had a rich hunting tradition in their family on top of that. Weapons were something we saw as tools and respected. It was the same with our fishing gear - be careful around the hooks (and I have had more than a few hooks while fishing stab into my hands). People trusted and respected each other, we were not raised to think of each other as the enemy. Yes - we had the whole idea of 'stranger danger' but for the most part we did not view fellow citizens as an enemy (we had the russians for that).

Today in the US there is not a common enemy like there once was - the new common enemy is you and me. I can't trust you to bring a bottle of water onto a plane. If you own a gun - I am supposed to be afraid of you. If you buy cold medicine when you are ill, then I am told to think that maybe you are a meth producer.

Fear and the enemy used to be some other far away country, today we have replaced that with fearing one another. Used to be if you owned a gun we didn't worry about you we were glad that you had the ability to defend yourself, you were a hunter, etc (hell, to be honest, growing up we never really though much about it - people just owned guns like they owned TV's or cars and no one cared).

Today it seems like we are programmed to fear one another and to trust only those we elected (well, not who we elected but those with enough money elected). Our only trust is in others we don't know at all, who lie to us, that use weapons to kill innocent people all across the globe....in short, we are being herded into a place where the only people some want us to trust in are folks who have been bought off and we don't know at all.

Some guy used a gun and killed some people in a theatre. Terrible, yes. But someone used a gun to kill Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, and others. Back then we blamed the person, shunned them, wanted them to be brought to justice and recognized that the person doing the act was responsible for it - not what they used. We didn't want to punish the many for the few.

Now we are being told that me, you, everyone else is a potential enemy and we need to let those in power (the wealthy) control us for our own sake. We can't be safe and sound unless we give up things, like guns, and let only those in power have access to them. I don't fear my neighbor - and no one is going to convince me to do so. I fear those in power who own so much of our resources, those who want to control me and others, those who whisper into my ear that you and my fellow Americans are the enemy.







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doc03

(35,328 posts)
1. I still live in eastern Ohio there is one big difference back then you had
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jul 2012

a single shot or bolt action 22 or maybe even a pump shotgun that held 5 rounds at the most. The idea everyone has to have a military style weapon with a high capacity magazine to hunt deer is a recent phenomenon brought on by Hollywood and promoted by the NRA. The fact of the matter is 50 years ago a nut may have shot 3 or 4 people but today the easy availability of large capacity magazines and semi-autos have made it possible for one deranged person to kill dozens of people in as many seconds. Back in the day you waited for your game to get within a range were you were pretty much sure of hitting it the first shot. But with the prevalence of semi-autos today instead of patience, sportsmanship and marksmanship hunters empty their gun attempting to shoot game that are out of range. The real sportsman is the one that can make a clean kill with a single shot from a traditional style rifle, shotgun, bow or muzzle-loader. Not an AR15 with a 30 round magazine. Today few people go out and actually hunt game, they ride around on an ATV, put unsightly trails through the woods and a scatter beer cans everywhere. You can't even get permission to hunt today because hunters have no respect for landowners property anymore. It's not uncommon for hunters to carry wire cutters around and cut the farmer's fences to save climbing over them or so they can ride around on their ATV. I know of a couple landowners that actually had a gun turned on them when they tried to stop someone from hunting on their land. Myself and many other people I know have just stopped hunting the last few years for those reasons.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
2. +1000
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:19 AM
Jul 2012

My Italian cousin in NY - ( all of those cousins and their dad before he died hunted ) hunts and he said the same thing about hunters up there.


They've got their guns all aiming every which way, completely irresponsible.

You can't compare the guns then to the weapons available today.

Like comparing a bicycle to a Lexus.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. Most states have hunting regs that mandate 5 rounds in the gun
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:40 AM
Jul 2012

regardless of how many it's capable of holding.

But having recently stopped hunting, you knew that, right?

doc03

(35,328 posts)
11. In Ohio you are limited to 3 rounds for deer now I think and waterfowl
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

has had a three round limit for as long as I can remember.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
12. Then why this?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:24 PM
Jul 2012

"But with the prevalence of semi-autos today instead of patience, sportsmanship and marksmanship hunters empty their gun attempting to shoot game that are out of range. The real sportsman is the one that can make a clean kill with a single shot from a traditional style rifle, shotgun, bow or muzzle-loader. Not an AR15 with a 30 round magazine"

I get you on the lack of respect for property owners. Not at all on the above.

doc03

(35,328 posts)
13. The three shot limit was put in for that reason. Usally you don't hear just one shot
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jul 2012

it's usally bam bam bam you hear apause and another three rounds. I went hunting with some guys in WV afew years ago and one guy bragged about shooting 17 rounds at one deer. This no exageration when I heard him shooting I hit the ground. That was the last time I hunted in WV.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. That's disgusting.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jul 2012

The whole sport needs an attitude overhaul, IMO. Even the open association of drinking with hunting... it's utterly reckless. I hate it.

I won't go with people who don't appreciate the suffering of the animal, and do everything to make it a clean kill, and I won't go with people who can't go a weekend without a case of beer.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
4. Somebody please explain to me the basis for this statement:
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:54 AM
Jul 2012

" We can't be safe and sound unless we give up things, like guns, and let only those in power have access to them. "

Who, with the power to act upon it, has made such a proposal?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
6. Where have you been for the last three days? In almost every one of the guns-are-evil threads
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:06 AM
Jul 2012

at least one reply makes the exception for the police. You know, those brave and fearless heroes that murder innocent civilians with impunity on a daily basis.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
7. Yes, there are police like that. But I'm asking how it could possibly be legal for ANYONE, even the
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:33 AM
Jul 2012

police, to take all guns away.

The only grounds for the police to take anything is for it to be involved in a crime. Are you saying ALL guns are going to be involved in a crime(s)? That's not even possible.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. I bet nobody in that little town baracaded themseves in their home and
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:59 AM
Jul 2012

acted like government was the enemy.

But then, they didn't have Right Wing radio telling them they had special powers.

While others would see a mom seeing the kids board the bus to school, they would see the State forcing kids into indoctrination and group think.

People like this used to be called "crazy".

Now they're a political party.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
8. You got that right. And political correctness is running amok. If you don't support the prevailing
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:35 AM
Jul 2012

fables, you're the enemy too.

Mass psychosis.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
10. I think you've been listening to "them" so long, making them so important, that you're whispering in
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:58 AM
Jul 2012

your own ear now. You're the one whispering to yourself about your enemies, a government comprised of the very people you claim affection for.

Give me some idea of HOW this government is just going to come take your guns, please. What. Will. Cause. This?

You have to engage in a crime of somesort for the law to come after you. What crime do you expect will provoke the government into trying to take your guns away?

I find your post to be paranoia justified with cracker-barrel schmaltz.

Read up on self-fulfilling prophecy and how it shapes behavior and hence consequences.

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