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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:27 PM Jan 2018

A Tale from the Sexual Revolution - But Things Are Still the Same

I dropped out of college in 1964, ended up in the USAF for four years, and then returned to school to get my useless B.A. in English. When I came back in 1968, things had changed quite a bit. Folks were smoking weed and the sexual revolution was in full swing. I was a little older and somewhat wiser, but life was a little different from what I had experienced just four years before, when dorms were fully segregated by sex and dormies weren't even allowed in rooms of the opposite sex.

Anyhow, I was on the GI bill and had very little money for useless things like housing and food, so I ended up in a loft bed in an old three-story house that had been converted into a sort of "anything goes" communal living space. After a while, I had formed a relationship with a woman who was also an English major and she moved into that house with me, at least most of the time.

It was a little weird, living in a loft bed with a girlfriend, while another couple lived in the same room below. We adapted, though, pretty quickly. But, there were other things going on, too, in a big old house with about 20 people living in it.

There was a lot of very informal sexual activity happening in that house. You never really knew exactly who was living there and who was just there crashing for a night. The place smelled like weed all the time, and it was noisy, with people doing all sorts of things here and there in one room or another. Had it not been for the birth control pill, it would have been a veritable baby factory.

The master bath was on the first floor, with a door opening into the living room, which was a room full of old beat up couches, recliners and other discarded furniture. At one point, a young woman who lived in a downstairs bedroom, started a new trend in the house. She was at least 6'2", blonde and strikingly attractive. She started walking out of the master bath after her shower, stark naked, on her way back to the room she shared with three other women. It was a daily occurrence. Very entertaining, to be sure.

She wasn't doing it to show off or anything. Maybe. Who knew? It was just easier, and nobody in that house really thought anything of it. However, she took a fancy to me at one point and flirted openly with me. Although I was flattered, I was in a relationship and am a monogamous sort of guy. One day, I was sitting in the living room reading, when out she walked after her shower, naked as usual. This time, though, she walked over and sat down on the couch next to me. She said, in the frank way she had, "You wanna go fool around?"

I gulped a little, considered it, and said, "Nope. I'm taken, I'm afraid." "Really?" she asked. "Yup." She continued to sit there and we had a conversation about monogamy and other relationship stuff. Finally, she got up and said, "This has been cool. I hope I find someone like you someday." Off she went. She continued to walk around naked in the house, and continued to be friendly. She still flirted with me, but in a joking way from then on.

Times were different. People weren't. All of that sexual freedom changed some years later, with HIV, Herpes, and other STDs becoming a bar to a lot of casual sex. But, the decisions people had to make have never changed. That incident was one of those decisions, and a very difficult one, indeed. I made the right decision for me. I married that English major and we were married for 17 years. I'm still a monogamous guy.

No matter what the society is like, each person has to make his or her own decisions when it comes to sexuality. That hasn't changed, and probably will never change. We all have to decide where our lines are. We all have to communicate with each other about those lines. It's not that difficult, really, as long as you know your own positions.

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A Tale from the Sexual Revolution - But Things Are Still the Same (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2018 OP
Good story. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #1
See, if you had hooked up with naked woman you might still be with her today snooper2 Jan 2018 #2
Yes, but I might have missed many other wonderful things. MineralMan Jan 2018 #4
Good story Smickey Jan 2018 #3
I like this story. A lot. lapislzi Jan 2018 #5
As you already know, I can't imagining myself continuing under any of the MineralMan Jan 2018 #6
I lived in a house like that (still the 80s).... lapislzi Jan 2018 #7
When you're young, that's a great time to test limits and MineralMan Jan 2018 #8

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
4. Yes, but I might have missed many other wonderful things.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:23 PM
Jan 2018

Our decisions do change our future, but making the right decision is generally the best choice, I think. In any case, the courses of our lives turn on many decisions. There's no way to know which way they might turn, though, on any decision.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
5. I like this story. A lot.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:10 PM
Jan 2018

I might have been that woman, except that I'm younger, shorter, and not blonde. I managed to grow up (despite my parents' best efforts and the efforts of the entire Catholic establishment) without a single inhibition regarding sexuality.

I like to joke that I never really dated anyone. I decided first whether I wanted sex with that person, and if that worked out, then we could start dating. It's only sort of a joke.

In short, I was never inhibited about saying what I wanted sexually. I propositioned guys as often as they did me. I always saw that as a two-way street. When two people are into each other, there's not much that can keep them apart. Enthusiastic consent is pretty obvious.

But, the similarity ended there. If they guy demurred, or indicated in some way he wasn't into a sexual encounter--at whatever stage we were at, dressed or not, I stopped and said, "okay, sorry, maybe next time" or words to that effect. The demurral didn't need to be verbal. There was, and is, no ambiguity when you're in intimate circumstances, about whether your partner wants to continue, or pursue an activity. And if, on some rare occasion, there is a lack of clarity, you stop and ask. Are you cool with this? Should we wait for another time? I was disappointed a number of times, because there were some guys I really liked, but I got the feeling that my sexual forthrightness was more than they could handle. Their loss (I'm happily married now).

It did not work that way in reverse. I might go home with a guy and something about the situation turned me off or didn't feel right. One time I'd drunk too much and said I couldn't go on because I was drunk and just needed to sleep. Too bad. I got fucked anyway. He yammered away until I finally said, "oh okay, whatever, just let me sleep." (Enthusiastic consent!) One time I got a bad vibe and decided to leave. Guy lost his shit and called me all kinds of names. I had to remind him that my presence in his bedroom did not automatically entitle him to intercourse, but he didn't see it that way, and he made sure all of his friends knew about the c*** who was a tease.

It was the 80s. I assumed that being raped while drunk was my own fault, and I kicked myself about it for years. I didn't even call it a rape for the longest time. It was "that time I was stupid." Which I undoubtedly was, but that doesn't excuse Mr. X for not tucking me in and asking again in the morning, when I might have said yes. Instead of a good outcome with both partners getting what they wanted (eventually, probably), I detested the guy thereafter, AND felt shitty forever about the incident.

I am not in the judging business. I'm not going to pass judgment on when and whether Mr. Ansari's date "should have" given it all up for a bad job. He acted like an ass, and worse. Whether that behavior was a result of his own sense of entitlement as a famous person, general cluelessness, or something else, is not for me to figure out. As a supposedly "woke" man, he didn't walk the walk. Nobody in that apartment had any good sex that night, and that is a damn shame, because it didn't have to be that way.

Good sex isn't transactional unless you're doing it with a sex worker who may or may not be enjoying it. Good sex is dirty, and fun, and messy, and amazing. If one person is "giving in" or "giving up" or going along just to get out of a situation where they're uncomfortable, that sex has moved into the category of transactional. When power enters the equation, eroticism flies out the window (unless you're in a consensual BDSM relationship). There is plenty of good, healthy sex to be had out there, if people would just PAY ATTENTION. Situational awareness, people.

I realize this is way more than my allotted $0.02, but this is a topic that is close to my heart. Thank you for posting, MM. You sound like a gem.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. As you already know, I can't imagining myself continuing under any of the
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

circumstance you described. I remember several situations where what sounded like a good idea at the time ended up with a partner having reservations after we were both naked as jaybirds and on the verge. No problem. Things just stopped and we regrouped. A few times, things continued later, and a few times we put our clothes back on and said goodnight.

I never saw a problem with any of that. I wish everyone could just relax about sex and do it when both parties are into it and not when they're not. For a lot of guys, that seems to be too large an order, somehow. It has to do with ego, power-tripping and other nonsense, I suppose.

I still laugh, sometimes, at the image of me in jeans and a t-shirt, sitting on a couch explaining to a beautiful naked woman why I wasn't going to "go fool around" with her. It seems really funny now. At the time, though, it really didn't seem to be that big a deal. I told that story to my wife, my second wife, to whom I've been married now for 26 years. She laughed, too. It's a funny story.

That's how I see sex, pretty much. It's great fun, but carries considerable emotional baggage with it on every journey. While it can be "just fooling around" sometimes, it's often more than that to one of the people involved, and that has to be considered. That's why it's so important to always consider the other person when making decisions.

The naked woman on the couch really did just want to "go fool around." That was her style at the time. I couldn't just do that, without it affecting my conscience, since I was in a serious relationship. When I explained that, the naked woman understood what I was saying, and maybe even thought about that as something to consider someday down the road. It was no big deal. It was just something that happened that didn't hurt anyone. Years later, it's a comedy bit.

I remember another situation, where the reverse happened. I was hugely enamored of another young woman, who liked me OK, but wasn't romantically attached to me at all. One evening, we were well along the path to having sex together, when she stopped me. She told me that she just couldn't continue, because I was clearly more attached to her than she was to me. She said that having sex would not lessen that attachment, but probably increase it, and she couldn't reciprocate. So we didn't. My attachment faded, but we remained friends. Again, it wasn't that big a deal, but it was getting close to somewhat dangerous emotional territory, so she stopped us from creating a conflict down the road.

Thanks for sharing your stories, too. Every encounter has a story. I wish all such stories ended well for everyone. They could, if everyone thought about the other person as much as they did about their own desires.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
7. I lived in a house like that (still the 80s)....
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

In, of all places, Johannesburg. Little nest of vice in the quiet Afrikaner suburb of Randburg. Despite clearly delineated "rules" set down by the two gentlemen whose names were on the lease, it was like a French farce every damn night. Good times.

I parted on good terms with every one of those 11 people. Because everyone was chill about the whole business, nobody held any grudges, and everyone practiced good sexual etiquette.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
8. When you're young, that's a great time to test limits and
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

learn. We're more resilient and better able to deal with difficult things that happen, I think. I'm sure there are still big houses full of young adults testing their limits. Most will end up stronger and better able to deal with stuff than those who are more sheltered.

With luck, they'll also learn how to deal with difficult situations. I wouldn't trade my life then for anything. I have stories that taught me countless things from those days.

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