Dylan Farrow gave her first TV interview today. Is it finally "time's up" for Woody Allen?

[pnwmom]

Her interview is covered in the last two videos on the page (don't get fooled into watching the first video, as I did. It's just an ad.)

Moses Farrow is the only sibling who supports Woody's account, and he has lied about being present on the day the alleged molestation occurred.

https://www.salon.com/2018/01/17/dylan-farrow-interiew-cbs/

King went on to ask Farrow why she is speaking out against the director now. Farrow notes that she has maintained her story for 25 years at this point, even if criminal charges were never filed in connection to it. Allen has denied the allegations for just as long.

As to why people should believe her, Farrow said "I suppose that's on them." She added, "But all I can do is speak my truth, and hope . . . that somebody will believe me instead of just hearing it."

Indeed, it may be just the moment when people at large will begin to believe Farrow. There has been a shift in the public consciousness and national conversation since the floodgates of #MeToo opened after Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein's alleged pattern of sexual abuse came to light.

Following that, and an editorial by Farrow published in the Los Angeles Times, a number of actors have come forward to express their regret over working with Woody Allen -- Griffin Newman, Rebecca Hall, Timothée Chalamet, Ellen Page and David Krumholtz included. Some have gone so far as to donate their salaries from their Allen films to organizations that address sexual abuse, including the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) and Time's Up. Greta Gerwig who worked on Allen's "To Rome with Love," told The New York Times recently that "if I had known then what I know now, I would not have acted in the film.


A LINK TO MORE INFO ABOUT WHAT MOSES FARROW HAS TO SAY:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10122030

[fallout87]

1. How he's been able to

escape scrutiny this long it beyond me... Oh wait, maybe its the actors and producers that have been protecting him for this long. #timesup on all of them.

[hibbing]

2. He creeps me out big time n/t

[Loki Liesmith]

4. He can definitely get convicted for that.

[IluvPitties]

3. I believe her.

Dude's creepy.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. He married the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn.

[pnwmom]

8. He married his children's sister. (Ronan and Dylan Farrow were his children.) n/t

[IluvPitties]

9. Still sounds creepy. Thanks for clarifying!

[hedda_foil]

20. Unless Ronan was Frank Sinatra's kid.

?fit=inside|900 00

[pnwmom]

31. Wouldn't it be nicer for him if he was Frank's. But we may never know. n/t

[lunasun]

43. My bet is on Frank

~original

[delisen]

45. I think Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow also look alike-so Ronan

may just look like Mia rather than Woody.

[pnwmom]

68. I agree. Plus Sinatra's biographer says he had had a vasectomy. Also, he says that a few months

before Mia would have gotten pregnant, Sinatra had had major surgery removing a section of his intestines, and he had to wear a colostomy bag after that for months.

[madaboutharry]

44. He knows.

Nancy Sinatra said she was happy to have Ronan in the family.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Amazing likeness.

I absolutely cannot believe that Ronan could be Woody's child. There is nothing of Woody about him and he looks exactly like Frank with a touch of Mia thrown in.

[Loki Liesmith]

6. No he didnt

[pnwmom]

10. It was creepy. He had two children with Mia, Dylan and Ronan. He got involved with their sister

when she was a teen, and eventually married her.

[IluvPitties]

11. I was a little kid when that was on the news

and I remember thinking "WTF is wrong with that guy?". I feel Ms. Farrow's story deserves a fresh look.

[tblue37]

14. Dylan was adopted. I suspect Ronan is Sinatra's biological son. nt

[pnwmom]

41. He was raised as Woody's son, and yet he saw his father marry his sister. nt

[obamanut2012]

60. Being adopted means nothing -- she was his daughter

Ronan looks exactly like Mia Farrow and her brothers.

[left-of-center2012]

12. She said. He said.

[John Fante]

13. Here's what the judge in their custody battle said:

"We will probably never know what occurred on August 4, 1992. The credible testimony of Ms. Farrow, Dr. Coates, Dr. Leventhal, and Mr. Allen does, however, prove that Mr. Allen’s behavior toward Dylan was grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her.”

Dylan was 7 at the time she made the accusation. She is far more credible than Woody Allen.

[left-of-center2012]

16. Yeah

Uh huh

OK

The ex-wife and her doctors.

got it

[John Fante]

17. Trump supporters say the same thing

Whenever someone brings up his sexual assault victims.

[left-of-center2012]

21. They say Woody Allen did it?

[John Fante]

23. Yeah Uh huh OK

Have fun supporting a child molester.

[left-of-center2012]

25. nope

not taking sides in this "She said - He said" thingy.

nope

not going to do it.

[LanternWaste]

52. No. Wait! You've offered so much of substance to this topic already...

"not taking sides in this "She said - He said" thingy. "

No. Wait! You've offered so much of substance to this topic ("thingy," yes?) already. We'll miss your insight, your perception, and the multi-layered analysis you've provided for us.

[John Fante]

18. You forgot Dylan Farrow. You know, the victim?

[pnwmom]

32. The prosecutor said the only reason he didn't prosecute was because the "victim was fragile."

And there were witnesses to Allen's inappropriate behavior, including Ronan and a grandmother.

And there is the fact that he started "dating" Soon-Yi when she was still in high school. Yuk.

[Dorian Gray]

46. How could this

particular ex wife believe that this man would be capable of trying to initiate sexual activity with one of her children?

Oh yeah.....

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. testimony from the same Ms. Farrow who claimed under oath that Ronan was Allen's son?

only to give an interview to Vanity Fair recently, where she giggles and says he was likely Frank Sinatra's, claiming she and Frank "never really split up" (I bet Barbara Sinatra loved that take)

Farrow has no credibility and any insinuation based on her word is suspect.

And let's not forget the testimony of Moses Farrow, who said his mother drilled false stories into their heads and emotionally abused the children. Nobody wants to listen to him.

[pnwmom]

33. Moses Farrow wasn't in the house on the day this happened. Ronan was, and he has always

supported his sister's story. There were also babysitters who confirmed that Allen and Farrow were missing during the time period, so he did have the opportunity.

Of all those children, only Moses and Soon Yi (who got involved with Allen as a teenager) have sided with Allen. And Ronan and Dylan seem much more credible.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

35. Soon-Yi was 21

Not a teenager.

Ronan wasn't in the room, either, so his testimony is no more credible than that of Moses, if that's the way you're approaching it.

[pnwmom]

38. As I've already told you, her age was somewhere between 19 and 21, with different records

saying different things. With children in international adoptions, that's not unusual. And she was still a student in boarding school, not on her own. And however old she was, she was the SISTER of Woody's two children.

Ronan could talk about Dylan's behavior afterwards because he was in the house. Moses wasn't. Also, Ronan could talk about other very inappropriate behavior -- like Woody bringing Dylan into bed with him, with him just in his underwear. And Woody getting Dylan to suck on his finger. Gross.

This was from a local paper.

http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/Prosecutor-in-Woody-Allen-case-back-in-the-5201622.php

Allen has denied the allegations from the beginning, a denial repeated by his representatives on Monday. Allen's spokesman implied the claims were engineered by actress and activist Mia Farrow. Farrow's 12-year relationship with Allen ended in 1992 after she learned he was having an affair with Soon-Yi Previn, Farrow's 19-year-old adopted daughter with composer Andre Previn.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

64. Moses says he was in the house

"The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces"
http://people.com/celebrity/dylan-farrows-brother-moses-defends-woody-allen/

Again, facts get in the way.

[pnwmom]

66. Court documents do not support what Moses told People magazine.

The documents do NOT show that Moses was at the house. And babysitters, including one that accompanied other children to the Farrow's house, contradicted his People Magazine story when they gave SWORN testimony to the Court.

The Court documents list who was in the house, and Moses wasn't on the list. He's either imagining or he's lying.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

6. Dylan’s claim of abuse was consistent with the testimony of three adults who were present that day. On the day of the alleged assault, a babysitter of a friend told police and gave sworn testimony that Allen and Dylan went missing for 15 or 20 minutes, while she was at the house. Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not wearing underpants under her sundress. The first babysitter also testified she did not tell Farrow that Allen and Dylan had gone missing until after Dylan made her statements. These sworn accounts contradict Moses Farrow’s recollection of that day in People magazine.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-shocking-custody-case-court-documents-that-shed-light-on-the-dylan-farrow-woody-allen-saga

Now, to New York Supreme Court Justice Wilk’s decision. Here are the biggest reveals in the court documents, in chronological order. . . .

8. Aug. 4, 1992

On this date, Allen traveled to Farrow’s country home in Connecticut to spend time with the children. At the home was Allen; Casey Pascal (Farrow’s friend) and her three children; the Pascal nanny, Alison Stickland; Kristie Groteke, a babysitter employed by Farrow; Sophie Berge, the Farrow kids’ French tutor; Dylan and Satchel. Farrow had “previously instructed Ms. Groteke that Mr. Allen was not to be left alone with Dylan,” but for about 15-20 minutes in the afternoon, Groteke “was unable to locate Mr. Allen or Dylan. After looking for them in the house, she assumed that they were outside with the others.” But Allen and Dylan were not outside with them, according to Berge and Stickland. At a different point in the day, Stickland says she “observed Mr. Allen kneeling with his head on her lap, facing her body. Dylan was sitting on the couch staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” When Farrow returned home, Berge noticed Dylan “was not wearing anything under her sundress” so Farrow had Groteke put underpants on Dylan. That evening, Stickland claims she told Pascal that she “had seen something at Mia’s that day that was bothering me,” and told of the TV room observation. The next day, Pascal phoned Farrow and told her of Stickland’s statements.

THE COURT DECISION IS READABLE IN FULL AT THE LINK BELOW. The relevant passage, listing who was present at the house, is on page 10.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-shea/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866.html

[obamanut2012]

57. wrong wrong wrong

You bought Allen's PR of lies of "crazy Mia."

[GulfCoast66]

15. I decided he was a perv decades ago.

The whole adopted daughter thingy or whatever it was 30 years ago. Can’t remember the details because it is over 30 years ago.

[SunSeeker]

19. Yep, he married Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, who he started having sex with when she was a teen.

[GulfCoast66]

22. Why did you remind me...

Perv indeed.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

26. She was 21.

But why let facts get in the way, eh?

[Spider Jerusalem]

28. And that somehow makes it better?

He was in a long-term relationship with her adoptive mother from the time she was nine. And I'm sorry, but there isn't any amount of rationalising that makes having a sexual relationship with someone 35 years younger, who you've known since they were 9, and who sees you as a father figure, not deeply fucked up.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

29. yes, one is illegal. One isn't.

Weird, yes. Criminal, no.
And, contrary to the what the hashtag bandwagoners think, it does not make you automatically guilty of going after children.
Allen and his current wife were both consenting adults and have been together for 25 years, so it's solely their business at this point.

But, the larger point is, you got the basic facts wrong, so maybe you don't know as much about this case as you think.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. She was 19, and he'd known her since she was *nine*

so yeah, I am inclined to believe that someone who'll do that is, on balance, more likely to go after kids than someone who doesn't. That is not the behaviour of someone who is sexually normal.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

36. born 1970

That would make her 21 in 1991.

Again, facts.

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. 19 or 20, apparently (you can Google for it)

and that doesn't change the fact that he'd known her since she was nine. Splitting hairs over a year or two in her age doesn't alter the underlying argument I'm making (which is: that a man who has sex with a girl he's know since age 9, the adoptive daughter of his long-term partner, and someone with whom he has a quasi-paternal relationship, has some serious and self-evident issues regarding boundaries and appropriateness.) But hey, you know, if this is the hill you want to die on ('but his relationship with his long-term partner's much younger adoptive daughter totally wasn't weird and creepy because she was, like, legal!'), then by all means knock yourself out.

[pnwmom]

42. She was adopted internationally and her exact age is unknown but guesses put it between 19 and 21.nt

[SunSeeker]

62. Their relationship didn't start in 1991. It started years earlier, in the "late 1980s."

Soon-Yi Previn was born October 8, 1970. That means she was a teen in the late '80s.

https://pagesix.com/2015/07/30/woody-allen-soon-yi-responded-to-me-because-i-was-paternal/

[LanternWaste]

53. I'd minimize and trivialize the creep factor too

I'd minimize and trivialize the creep factor too, and pretend I know what the alleged "larger point" is as well to better cover up how little of substance is being added. Nice job!!!

I'd play the vague, non-specific "hashtag bandwagoners" too... it offers us a greater sense of self-validation by dismissing opinions we don't share. Great work on that one too!

"A very little little let us do. And all shall be done" W Shakespeare.

[pnwmom]

34. She was still in boarding school -- but her exact age is unknown because

of the situation involved in her adoption. She might have been anywhere from 19-21. But there is no doubt that she was still in high school and she was the sister of Allen's adopted children.

[Dorian Gray]

47. Oh...

then that's okay then.

What he did (court his wife's daughter) is reprehensible.

"The heart wants what it wants"

Bullshit. We can control our urges. And if an urge is to have sex with our partner's child... then that urge is fucked up!

[SunSeeker]

61. She was a teen when they started having sex. That is a fact.

The two began their relationship in the late ’80s when Allen was dating Mia Farrow, with whom he adopted several children. Previn is Farrow’s adopted daughter from her failed marriage to composer André Previn.

https://pagesix.com/2015/07/30/woody-allen-soon-yi-responded-to-me-because-i-was-paternal/

Soon-Yi Previn was born October 8, 1970. That means she was a teen in the "late '80s." She was his stepdaughter. Woody is a fucking perv.

You're the one who is not letting facts get in your way of needlessly insulting people in this thread.

[3catwoman3]

37. Woody Allen has always given me...

...the creeps. His looks, his voice, his behaviors. Blecchhh!

[KitSileya]

39. Wasn't there an article a couple of weeks ago of someone who had actually read Allen's papers?

Allen donated his papers to a New York university, and Washington Post journalist actually read through all of them. No one'd done that before. They were full of misogyny and perverse musings, and nicely supported the view of Allen as a creep.

Found the article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-read-decades-of-woody-allens-private-notes-hes-obsessed-with-teenage-girls/2018/01/04/f2701482-f03b-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.313b3fd66a82

Allen’s work is flatly boorish. Running through all of the boxes is an insistent, vivid obsession with young women and girls: There’s the “wealthy, educated, respected” male character in one short story (“By Destiny Denied: Incident at Entwhistle’s”) who lives with a 21-year-old “Indian” woman. First, Allen’s revisions reduce her to 18, then double down, literally, and turn her into two 18-year-olds. There’s the 16-year-old in an unmade television pitch described as “a flashy sexy blonde in a flaming red low cut evening gown with a long slit up the side.” There’s the 17-year-old girl in another short story, “Consider Kaplan,” whose 53-year-old neighbor falls in love with her as the two share a silent, one-floor-long elevator ride in their Park Avenue co-op. There’s the female college student in “Rainy Day” who “should not be 20 or 21, sounds more like 18 — or even 17 — but 18 seems better.” That script includes a male college student but gives no description of his age. Another of Allen’s male characters, in a draft of a 1977 New Yorker story called “The Kugelmass Episode,” is a 45-year-old fascinated by “coeds” at City College of New York. In the margin next to this character’s dialogue, Allen wrote, then crossed out, “c’est moi” — it’s me.

...

He does not restrict these urges to fictional women. In a fake interview, he writes of real-life actress Janet Margolin, who had roles in “Annie Hall” and “Take the Money and Run”: “Occasionally I was forced to make love to her to get a decent performance. I did what I had to but in a businesslike way.” (Margolin died in 1993.) And here is a riff he wrote to caption an imagined photo of the Spanish socialite Nati Abascal, who worked with Allen in “Bananas”: “Could she act? Yes, I learned and especially in her defense. She blocked my [hand] as I reached for her thigh and brought her knee up sharply into my groin as we discussed show business .?.?. I pulled a contract out of my pocket and we both signed, but not until I told her about the sexual obligation that was a part of the job of any actress who worked with me.” Allen goes on: “I came to appreciate her body for what it was as time went by, namely, a girl’s body .?.?. Soon she got used to my ways. Aware of my position as father figure on the set (a director is just that) I allowed her to come to me with her problems. When she never showed up, I came to her with mine.” A representative for Abascal did not return messages asking what she thought of these musings.

Too many on DU have vigorously defended Allen and other creeps - they're very invested in men on "their" side, or men like them, not be accused of creepy behavior. It's like the Anzari case. If their claims are right, and it was "just a bad date", that says a lot about their own dating history. And with Allen, many are very invested in the narrative that his marrying the daughter of his girlfriend, the sister of his children is not creepy. I find anyone who does not shudder at the thought creepy, to be honest.

[Dorian Gray]

48. Just like

a full marathon viewing of all his movies....

Is misogyny and predilection for teens isn't exactly a hidden secret.

[Lady_Chat]

49. This case was decided years ago. So what is the point?

It went to trial and the 2 court appointed psychologists treating Dylan felt that no abuse took place.
After their testimony Mia removed Dylan from any further therapy with them. All charges were dropped against Allen by Child Welfare.

Something about Mia Farrow has always seemed odd to me. The charges of child abuse never came until after she discovered Allen was having an affair with Soon Yi.
Dylan never complained of anything before that? Mia and Woody, never married, and never lived together, they always maintained separate residences.

While I think his affair with Soon Yi was inappropriate, it wasn't illegal, she was of age, and I don't think he ever bonded with Soon Yi
as a daughter, she was a lot older when he started a relationship with Mia, and he was never a permanent father figure in the home.

Mia coming out and saying Ronan might not be Allen's child...after all these years? It would have been easy enough to determine , and should have been done for
Ronan's sake, a long time ago. Ronan seemed very uncomfortable when he was interviewed about it. It's like his mother just threw it out there, something that
you would think would be a private matter. I think it was hurtful for him, and for Sinatra's wife to hear Mia "never broke up with him", since Barbara Sinatra is
still alive, and Frank Sinatra is dead and no longer around to confirm or deny anything.


For years Mia had nothing good to say about Sinatra, she said he had been physically abusive, served her with divorce papers while she was in the midst of filming "Rosemary's
Baby", etc. Years later she did a complete turnaround.
It's ironic, when Andre Previn left his wife Dory for Mia, Dory, a songwriter, wrote a song about Mia:
"Beware of Young girls".
I can't help but wonder if that what fuels this whole thing with Mia. I hurts to be left for a younger woman,
especially a young woman you took into your home and cared for.



A lot of children who have been abused, don't get their day in court,
Dylan already has.
So I don't know where she is going with this and what it accomplishes.

Her family is split down the middle, with her and Ronan siding with their mother, and the rest of the children siding with Allen . And that's sad.
Add to that, Mia's brother, John Charles Villers-Farrow, was convicted in 2013 and sentenced to prison for sexually abusing 2 young children.
Woody and Soon Yi are still married and have been for over 20 years.
I don't mean to be insensitive, but maybe it's time for the rest of the family to heal and move on.

[pnwmom]

50. For Dylan, the point was that injustice was done. Like many victims, she wants to be heard.

And there is a small mountain of evidence that supports her. The court appointed psychologists never personally examined her, and the social workers who did destroyed their notes. The prosecutor says the only reason he didn't prosecute was because of the fragility of the victim.

It's funny that you should mention Ronan because he is adamant that he believes his sister, based on all the odd behavior of Woody towards her that he personally witnessed. And the family is NOT split down the middle. There is only one sibling who accepts Woody's version, and that is Moses, who wasn't in the house on the day the events occurred.

[bathroommonkey76]

54. I never believed her or Mia

Moses has already came out and said Mia coached Dylan.

My mind was made up after I watched the he 60 Minutes interview with Woody from the 90s.

Mia is crazy/damaged goods. Nothing from her side has convinced me and it never will.

[pnwmom]

67. All of Dylan's other sisters and brothers believe her and dispute Moses's account. And he lied

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about having been at the house the day the molestation was alleged to have occurred. Court documents show he was not among those present, despite what he told People Magazine years later.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10122030

[bathroommonkey76]

70. Mia probably lied about him being present.

n/t

[pnwmom]

71. There were SEVERAL other witnesses, including the three adult baby-sitters. The Court

didn't rely on Mia's word.

Read the whole Court document. You obviously didn't.

[obamanut2012]

58. Everything in your sentence is wrong

Everything.

[NCTraveler]

51. Allen should be in jail.

Farrow should be judged harshly.

[dlk]

55. Any Man Who Marries His Adopted Daughter has Serious Problems

[Blue_true]

56. I honestly have never got what people see in Woody Allen's work.

I have always sort of viewed him as a low talent creep when I compared him to others in his field.

[obamanut2012]

59. Proof in this thread Allen's PR of lies

And "Crazy Bitch Mia" were worth whatever money he paid.

Everyone who believes him should be ashamed, and read the court docs.

[SunSeeker]

63. +1

[Stinky The Clown]

65. That man has been creepy his whole life. He needed to shut down decades ago.

If nothing else, I hope he is shunned.