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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe republicans control all branches of government. How is the shut down the Democrats fault again?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Because there is no truth anymore, we have to stop worrying about idiots believing the truth.
They wont, not now, not ever.
We are in a crisis and we have ONE political party and ONE terrorist organization.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)it needs 60 votes to pass, and the Rs don't have 60.
still_one
(92,190 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)The filibuster is a good tool to preserve the voice and rights of the minority party. Forcing them to go nuclear would be like biting off our nose to spite our face.
still_one
(92,190 posts)think why they hesitate is because they realize that payback is going to come back to haunt them, though in reality, that should already be there
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Il Duce Deuce and he rejected it. This is all on him.
rainy
(6,091 posts)Big Headlines: will the dems shut down the government? How about some neuance here: republicans need Democrats votes, invite them to negotiate and in the end say we won the election, people elected us on bla bla so we want this and we will not consider your demands.
The media wont remind their viewers that more people voted for the Democrat by 3,000,000.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)If so, the Dems need to be all over this.
* I think I heard it on NPR or read it on Twitter thus the question.
still_one
(92,190 posts)have already done that for SC nominations
msongs
(67,405 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Democrats have zero control of "perception" in the M$M.
Government shutdown? "Yes, please, Democrats! We'll be back - right after this."
Botany
(70,504 posts)...... it will become the truth.
John Kerry had a bronze star, a silver star, three purple hearts, and they
called him a coward.
Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong but she was blamed for Benghazi, emails,
and her "evil" computer server.
Al Gore said he invented the internet.
rinse lather and repeat
Fox News watchers, Rush listeners, many rural white people, right wing Christians,
gun humpers, info wars online watchers, and so on have been bathed in for years
in an up is down and a black is white reality.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)when BOTH parties want a shutdown?
still_one
(92,190 posts)trump sent overtures out on a DACA deal, and then during the actually meeting blew everything up which is what actually started this process.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)CHIP funding - a budget process item - DOES have a place in the budget, and it is a win, a concession for us NOW.
I believe we should be committed to finding ways to make government work for US - not to shut it down.
I know people who have been deeply impacted by Republican policy, including shutdowns and budget cuts.
This isn't just a a game.
still_one
(92,190 posts)have been done last year, but they used it as a political pawn, which it should NOT have been. Same with taking away the mandate for the ACA, allowing states to take away Medicaid from people who don't work, and I can keep going on.
We are dealing with a party that is controlled by racists, sexists, and bigots.
If the republicans want to do this without the Democrats they can it by either using the nuclear option, or allowing DACA and CHIPS.
Whether the Democrats were in power or not the republicans were never interested in compromises, it was either their way or nothing. CHIPs is NOT a compromise. Healthcare for children is a right, it is not a bargaining chip.
It is way past due that the Democrats stand up to bullies
Krugman says it much better than I did:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210119350
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)are buying that crap.
still_one
(92,190 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)The Wall for DACA.
No deal.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Trump is leveraging with DACA and CHIP to make us pay for his racist wall.