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Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:48 PM

The democrats may have finally figured out how to deal with Trump.

Trump is a bully, everyone knows it. Trump does not know how to do the job of president. He is fucking clueless. He just tells congress give me a bill I will sign it. He may ask for something to be included but he does not know much about the issues. He simply listens to the people around him and when someone says something that sounds good he will go with it. Trump is incompetent.

The democrats should and must stand their ground at all cost. Trump the bully will not know how to deal with it. He always expects people to cave into his bully tactic. He will be exposed, his incompetence will be exposed. He will look stupid because he is in many ways. Trump will be exposed as a fraud.

No DACA no deal. Lets see how the bully handles it. Trump will be blamed for the shutdown because he is the president. It is up to the president to end and prevent shutdowns.

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Reply The democrats may have finally figured out how to deal with Trump. (Original post)
shockey80 Jan 2018 OP
BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #1
Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #2
Rollo Jan 2018 #6
Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #9
Pachamama Jan 2018 #3
LakeVermilion Jan 2018 #8
longship Jan 2018 #18
MyOwnPeace Jan 2018 #27
Sophia4 Jan 2018 #4
gordianot Jan 2018 #5
Rollo Jan 2018 #7
smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #24
MyOwnPeace Jan 2018 #28
global1 Jan 2018 #10
grantcart Jan 2018 #19
shockey80 Jan 2018 #11
world wide wally Jan 2018 #12
True Blue American Jan 2018 #29
bdamomma Jan 2018 #46
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #13
ginnyinWI Jan 2018 #14
erronis Jan 2018 #23
MyOwnPeace Jan 2018 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #33
Motley13 Jan 2018 #43
blueinredohio Jan 2018 #15
Sienna86 Jan 2018 #16
MyOwnPeace Jan 2018 #32
Post removed Jan 2018 #17
jazzcat23 Jan 2018 #36
eleny Jan 2018 #20
samnsara Jan 2018 #21
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #22
Leith Jan 2018 #35
NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #44
elmac Jan 2018 #25
pressbox69 Jan 2018 #26
treestar Jan 2018 #31
Pepsidog Jan 2018 #34
PBass Jan 2018 #37
harun Jan 2018 #38
randr Jan 2018 #39
DownriverDem Jan 2018 #40
randr Jan 2018 #45
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #48
randr Jan 2018 #50
PJMcK Jan 2018 #41
Toorich Jan 2018 #42
dlk Jan 2018 #47
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #49

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:53 PM

1. They also know that they have to communicate with him

via TV news shows. Unbelievable!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:53 PM

2. Key problems are

Steve Miller and John Kelly. Trump is susceptible to his conversations with the last person who talks to him.

When Fox News tells him to stop the Show Boating,then he will cave.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:57 PM

6. Miller is bad, but things were a bit worse before Kelly

But the main problem here is Trump himself.

Elect a Dem majority in Congress in 18, and then elect a new president in 2020.

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Response to Rollo (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:01 PM

9. Not really,Bannon was on a

self destruct path with McConnell and other Rethugs. He would have been thrown over board by Trump in order to get their Mega Tax give away.

Welcome to White House Reality TV season two.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:54 PM

3. Jello

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:01 PM

8. Jello sitting, Jello walking, Jello golfing...

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Response to LakeVermilion (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:11 PM

18. Jello golfing, only with Mulligans.


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Response to LakeVermilion (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:13 PM

27. Eeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!

My eyes, my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sill y:

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:55 PM

4. Right. And when the government comes up short, Democrats need to put the blame

 

where it belongs -- on the Republican tax bill. The plan is that Republicans cut the taxes of those who pay the most taxes and now will scream bloody murder when there is an obvious shortfall when it comes to money to fund the military and other necessities like Social Security, Medicaid (pays for elder care for many Americans who are truly helpless), Medicare and other non-military programs. Republicans will not tax the rich; they will steal money from the poor. That's how they think. Christians? I don't think so.

Democrats have to stay strong and be as strategic in their thinking as the Republicans are. Don't help Republicans pass their budget. Think in the long term.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:57 PM

5. The only deal Trump knows how to make is criminal.

The only negotiation he makes is to avoid jail time or skirt ethical conduct as long as he can make a profit. His entire life is characterized by serial fraud.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:58 PM

7. Trump is proud of his greed...

Even his own son (Eric) defends Trump against charges of racism by saying,

"The only color that matters to him is green".

And he didn't mean ecology!

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Response to Rollo (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:58 PM

24. What makes me sick is that he said that as if it was a good thing.

This entire family is obscene. They all need to go and preferably to jail. They are vulgar and disgusting beyond words.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:16 PM

28. Yes!

You cut that to the core of the issue - we are being had (some might say f**ked!) and they've gotta' go!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:02 PM

10. No DACA - No Deal, No DACA - No Deal, No DACA - No Deal......nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:31 PM

19. +1

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:05 PM

11. Trump backed himself into a corner.

He said he wanted the DACA deal and then changed his mind because people told him it would hurt him with the base. This is a great weakness Trump and the republicans have . They are terrified of the monster they created. Their base. This has turned them into liars and extremists.

If the democrats are smart they can take advantage of this weakness.

I like Schumer much better then Reid. Better leader.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:20 PM

12. Correction: trump turned into a liar long before he had any base.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:17 PM

29. So do I!

I was not sure at the beginning, but having seen Schumer right in Trumpís face, shaking his finger he is not going to back down. Mano To Mano.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:52 AM

46. tRump was all for it to sign

whatever they put in front of him, then came his S-hole comments and he backed himself in a corner, showing his revenge by saying "DACA is dead" horrible POS he is. He is jello he is being manipulated by his staff namely Stephen Miller and John Kelly both racists, but the blame is on the repigs all of it.

tRump is just an s-hole and so is Ryan and McConnell, they will sink if they keep this up. Not for a minute do Democrats own this one.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:22 PM

13. Call his bluff, every time. Thats how you deal with a bully.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:35 PM

14. bullying seems to be his only tactic.

Just push people around and yell real loud. When that doesn't work--run and hide! In Donnie's case it is to lie and deny ever doing any such thing.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:56 PM

23. tdump is smart enough to keep sufficient cash on hand to pay lawyers (and prostitutes)

While he may stiff everyone else. (Stiff is not a physiological term in his case, unless chemically induced.)

The first time he stiffs some lawyers, the exits will be jammed by snakes with briefcases.

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Response to erronis (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:18 PM

30. Oh, that would be SO sweet!

"The first time he stiffs some lawyers, the exits will be jammed by snakes with briefcases."

Time to bring out the popcorn!

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Response to erronis (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:22 PM

33. He's been stiffing his lawyers for years.

That's why so many reputable law firms declined to represent him - that, and the fact that all their other clients would probably run for the exits. He's not far from looking for legal help in the basement of a nail salon in a strip mall in Albuquerque.

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Response to erronis (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:30 AM

43. He has a hard time getting good lawyers, as they say, "he doesn't listen & he doesn't pay"


they probably ask for their fees up front

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:41 PM

15. If Trump would stop listening to Meadows, McConnell, Ryan and others he may be able to make a deal

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:47 PM

16. Can we throw in long term CHIP funding too, please?

That and Dreamers on my list

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:20 PM

32. Yes, indeed!

CHIP MUST be part of any "package" (GAWD, I hate using that term relating to anything "Trump!"

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Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:23 AM

36. Go back to faux news erl....

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:32 PM

20. Dems cannot allow his zero sum game to be successful

If Dems cave he will crow that they're weak. We'll be in a losing battle from here on out.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:51 PM

21. text RESIST to 50409.. tell your state reps to stand firm..NO DACA NO DEAL

..thank them for standing up to the bully trump

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:55 PM

22. Frum: Trump skill not deal-making w powerful counterparts. It's duping gullible victims -tweet


David Frum tweet:
"Regular reminder that Donald Trumpís core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims."


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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:48 PM

35. Exactly!

And that's what he's counting on here: he thinks that Democrats are weak and that we will cave to get something, then he can yank everything from us at the last minute. That's his kind of strategy and he thinks he's good at it.

Wait until he finds out that he and the rethugs can't get everything they want because there is no other political party he can threaten to turn to if Schumer won't deal.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:33 AM

44. great point

he's made his way through life by hiring small and mid sized contractors and then cheating them out of what was promised and then daring them to sue. And, because they're small to mid sized, they can't afford the elite lawyers that might be needed.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:00 PM

25. they must stand their ground against the fascists

what ever it takes, don't budge an inch.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:06 PM

26. Trumpy is helpless

without his guru Roy Cohen to guide him.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:20 PM

31. He is indeed a bully

The usual methods don't even work.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:43 PM

34. Stand firm. Trump is a bully and a coward. No backing down!!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:23 AM

37. Realize this: If this is the "Schumer Shutdown" it means Trump is weaker than Schumer! (NT)

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:05 AM

38. Asking Dem Leadership not to cave does not leave me optimistic.

It is the correct strategy though.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:08 AM

39. Dems will cave by noon

They have already lost the who's fault it is debate, the lsos will brag of this for a whole week

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Response to randr (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:22 AM

40. Nice

I do not like your tone.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:40 AM

45. I don't like the tone of dem leadership

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 12:50 PM

48. More like perhaps you don't like hearing the honest truth

The "cap in hand" strategy of the past is useless against criminals and fascists.

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Response to randr (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:04 PM

50. My best regards to our DU admins

For keeping this site a free site for open discussion

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

41. Good points

I agree with your strategy, shockey80.

I have a minor quibble, however. Please capitalize the "D" in Democrats. It's a proper noun, you know.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:29 AM

42. Henry Stamper in "Sometimes a Great Notion" said it best...

" Never give a goddammned inch! "

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:56 AM

47. Dems Have Hopefully Learned Making Deals With Trump Behind Closed Doors is a Waste of Time

Since Trump lacks any moral compass or any convictions, outside of grabbing as many dollars as possible, he has no problem reneging on deals made behind closed doors. All it takes is one of his staff to come up with any kind of opposition. The most effective way to deal with Trump is out in the open and on camera.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:37 PM

49. One of the problems with being liberal is nuance.

It is not AT ALL a bad thing to understand, and to weigh in one's decision-making, but the GOP has Bumper Sticker Slogan mentality, as does their public at large.

They love that lack of critical thinking, and go with what sounds or feels like the "right" message.

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