We got the best deal possible.CHIP for 6 years/ DACA Vote in a couple of weeks.

[Demsrule86]

We have another chance and got CHIP...I think it is the best we could do. Also, no more American kids vs DACA...which would hurt DACA.

[oberliner]

1. What guarantee do we have that there will actually be a DACA vote?

Do you really trust Mitch McConnell?

[beaglelover]

2. None, there will never be a DACA vote until we take back the senate.

The Dems got screwed royally coming and going on this shut down.

[brooklynite]

3. And if there isn't, there won't be a vote for the budget in three weeks.

[SFnomad]

8. And then the RepubliCONs will attempt to pin the shutdown on the Democrats

Who knows if that will work or not.

[FSogol]

26. The American people have done a good job on placing the blame where it belongs.

If nothing happens and it shuts down again, it'll still be on the Republicans.

[beaglelover]

11. We'll see, won't we. My bet is Dems cave in 3 weeks too.

[brush]

27. Nah, we'll be in an even stronger position in 3 weeks if there is no DACA deal.

Another shut down will show the utter incompetence of the repugs who run all three branches of government but can manage to keep the doors open.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Sounds like you have somewhere between little and no respect for the dems.

[beaglelover]

66. That would be an untrue statement.

[shenmue]

77. "We saved nine million kids" "NOT GOOD ENOUGH"

[Docreed2003]

76. Shhh....reasonable political plays arent allowed here tonight!

[Demsrule86]

7. We don't have a guarantee...but this was the best we could do...the GOP is in charge of everything..

so no choice. We have another chance in a couple of weeks...and the DACA vs 'American kids' was a problem.

[apnu]

13. This deal is until Feb 8. If there is no DACA vote, the Government shuts down again. (nt)

[oberliner]

16. What if the DACA bill is awful and Democrats can't vote for it?

For instance, what if the R's stick a bunch of other ridiculous things on to the bill - like billions for a wall.

[apnu]

18. I dunno, ask Schumer. (nt)

[Demsrule86]

20. We are no worse off than now.

It is our only shot.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. It is easier to criticize and offer NO alternatives...seems that way, eh

I am so sick of that shit.

Arent you?

I know you are,

[Demsrule86]

55. Yes I am. I lose patience with the Democrats must do this or that...they seem to forget that

We have no levers of power...damned proud of what Democrats have managed to accomplish right now.

[brush]

29. Simple. Another shut down and we are in an even stronger position as the repugs will be...

shown again to have no ability to govern despite being in charge of all three branches of government.

They'll try to spin it the other way but the public will note that they're in charge of everything but can't keep the doors open.

We've got them by the short hairs.

[oberliner]

36. Then they go with: "Once again the Dems are shutting down the gov't for illegal immigrants"

I wonder how that is playing across the USA.

[brush]

38. No need to wonder. #trumpshutdown is trending way more than #Schumershutdown...

on twitter.

[oberliner]

43. Twitter is kind of its own separate thing

But I take your point.

[lindysalsagal]

50. That's not america: that's twitter. Proves that twitter blames

Gop, only.

[Demsrule86]

56. And do you have your finger on the pulse of America? I find twitter and other social media

useful to see how things are playing out.

[brush]

61. Newflash: Welcome to the 21st century. Social media reflects America as much as traditional media.

[lindysalsagal]

62. Russian bots skew the count intentionally.

www.democraticunderground.com/10141967549

[brush]

63. It's a part of it, as is constant repug lying on traditional media.

[apnu]

41. And the Dems counter with "The GOP lied to us."

Given the nation's mood, they'll believe the Democrats over the Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

57. Yes they will.

The GOP is a bunch of liars.

[Atticus]

35. And, don't forget: if government shuts down, Mitch's "promise" to call a DACA vote evaporates. nt

[samnsara]

4. yep i agree

[Demsrule86]

10. I am amazed we got this much.

[workinclasszero]

5. I'm sure its the best they could do

seeing as how the damned republicans control 100% of the government at this time.

I don't know what people were expecting TBH.

[Demsrule86]

19. Democrats have to face facts. We are limited...I think our leaders have behaved heroically and

been very clever so as to stop the worst of the GOP shit. We really must win in 18 or we are screwed.

[workinclasszero]

23. I totally agree

If we want any good thing to happen until 2020, we better try to make the blue wave election of 2018 into a blue tsunami election!

Until that happens the democratic party has virtually no power to do anything. I applaud the dems in Congress for doing everything they can at this horrible time in America's history.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. We wouldn't have to deal with any of this if people didn't hold their noses

[pamdb]

6. DACA

Just because McConnell says he will bring DACA to the floor doesn't mean it will pass. They are talking about allowing the Dreamers to stay but without the possibility of citizenship. And who knows that McConnell and Ryan in the house will come up with. I wouldn't trust any republican as far as I could throw any of them.

[Demsrule86]

15. I don't doubt that. But again what should we do. Leave the government shut down until

they vote? Realistically that wasn't going to happen they hold the cards. This is the best we can do. It is better than the first one.

[atreides1]

9. There was no guarantee for a DACA vote

The only thing McConnell said was that he would allow a free and open debate, about immigration, and that's it!!!

[Demsrule86]

14. I know what he said...and what would you have the Dems...do let the GOP go around

pitting CHIP against DACA?

“So long as the government remains open … it would be my intention to take up legislation here in the Senate that would address DACA, border security and related issues,” McConnell said. “Let me be clear: This immigration debate will have a level playing field at the outset, and an amendment process that is fair to all sides.”

[atreides1]

24. Be honest

Do you really believe what McConnell said?

[Demsrule86]

28. No. Even if McConnell is telling the truth...we have a problem with the House. But we had no choice.

And we will get another stab at it.

[CrispyQ]

12. Agreed. It sucks, but what more could a neutered party do?

More than half Americans polled think keeping the govt open is more important than DACA & more than half the media is blaming the dems for the shut down.

[Demsrule86]

17. There is little we can do. I am sick about this...we should start considering how we can personally

save the Dreamers...hide them in our homes until we get rid of the evil scourge that is the GOP.

[Orrex]

21. Not to sound contrarian, but...

I've been googling for the last five minutes, and the most recent stories I'm seeing are from 4 hours ago. These all describe CHIP as "still unfunded."

Do we have a more current link confirming that CHIP is funded?

[Orrex]

25. Never mind--found it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-on-healthcare-dems-agree-to-deal-to-reopen-government-fund-chip/article/2177123

[Turn CO Blue]

22. to be honest, it's the best we could get at this point, and a bit better than I expected.

[Demsrule86]

30. I agree. I hope we can get more...but we are not in power.

[mcar]

31. It's not the best resolution but I agree with you

CHIP is now off the table, Turtle is on record and it's only 3 weeks.

[Demsrule86]

32. That sums it up nicely.

Thank you!

[Atticus]

33. Uh-huh, and McConnell, Ryan and especially Trump are men of integrity. nt

[Atticus]

34. That is nonsense. nt

[Demsrule86]

39. What is nonsense?

[Atticus]

42. "best deal possible". Maybe the best deal possible TODAY, but they "gave" us what

should never have been withheld and, in return, we received MITCH MCCONNELL'S WORD wrapped in so many "what ifs" and potential "Oops, sorry"'s as to amount to, at best, a huge question mark.

True, Mitch could uncharacteristically keep his word. But, even if he does, where are we---and the dreamers---if: 1.) The bill we wind up voting on includes $20 billion for Trump's wall and makes it a CRIME for Dreamer's income to fall below 125% of the poverty level for 90 days? Or, 2.)A reasonable bill passes in the Senate and the Nazis in the House reject it? Or, even 3.) A reasonable bill passes both houses and Trump listens to Steve Miller(again) and vetoes it?

I do respect your right to disagree and even admire what I'm sure you see as party loyalty, but I earnestly believe we got hosed and that the Republicans are struggling to conceal their laughter at our having folded after two and one half days.

[Demsrule86]

54. We have Chip and another chance to revisit DACA... that is great...I don't know what will happen.

But I do know it was the best deal possible...hey why not contact Sarandon, Stein, Turner ET AL...ask them why they said the parties were the same and encouraged folks to vote for stupid Stein or sit this one out...it is their fault our Democrat leaders have no power to get a better deal. Elections have consequences. Schumer got the best deal he could considering the numbers. Some have talked about what the GOP did...well they did little until 2011 when they won back the House because our folks sat on their hands in the ten midterms...then the GOP sabotaged President Obama for the rest of his term...Dems failed to show up again in 14 and we lost the Senate as well and a chance for a SCOTUS appointee. Elections have consequences. Time Democrats learned this and that it is imperative to always show up at mid terms and vote for the Democrat candidate no exceptions....no feet to the fire/used care salesman bullshit.

[Eliot Rosewater]

58. Should never ? Should never? Yeah, you are right, it should never have been withheld but it was,

know why?

Because too many people held their noses and whined or didnt vote.

Too many more demanded REASONS to vote for a democrat.

[NCTraveler]

37. Very solid considering the numbers.

Our leadership seems to be doing very well.

[Demsrule86]

45. I agree.

[Sharpshooter007]

40. How come all the 2020 democrats are voting against it then?

Do they hate bipartisanship and governing?

[Demsrule86]

47. They are running in a primary so they were allowed not to vote for it...that is politics.

[Demsrule86]

48. Oh and welcome to DU... no worries. It is my opinion Democrats would crawl through broken glass

to vote in 18 and 20. The lesson of 16 is elections have consequences.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

44. They should have renewed CHIP in September

People need to remember elections have consequences.

[Demsrule86]

46. I know... already you hear the rumblings of if this then...they don't come out and say so.

But most are talking about ...the feet to the fire...show them by not voting...and look what the result is. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over.

[Bettie]

49. There won't be a DACA vote

no way McConnell even lets that happen. He's a liar and a backstabbing weasel.

[Demsrule86]

60. Maybe not but if the GOP never intended to let that happen...shutting down the government which

polling already showed was unpopular and that we were being blamed wouldn't help. We saved lives with ChIP I thank God for that. I hope we get another chance for DACA...and failing that we try to come up with creative solutions for DACA...dead serious about hiding them until the GOP is gone. The most important thing we can do is support Democrats and the party and vote the fucking Republicans out in 18 and in 20...and beyond. They are an evil scourge on this country...elections have consequences. Let's not do this anymore. Make the GOP pay.

[Bradshaw3]

59. The big picture is what's important

I'm sorry but this is all short term stuff. Yes there is going to be pain but the pain is going to be longer and more painful if Dems don't win big in November, enough to take at least the House and maybe the Senate. What is important is getting to November and winning. Then they can start to fix this clusterfuck of a government.

[Demsrule86]

69. You are right. It is so hard to wait. And it is tough with the gerrymander.

[Gothmog]

64. From Ezra Klein

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

68. Thanks for the tweet...I agree and I had not seen that.

[Cha]

65. One party just got CHIP re-funded.

Mahalo, Demsrule, for your analysis

[Demsrule86]

67. Thank you Cha...it is not all we want but it is something. We did our best I think.

[Cha]

71. It's just living in reality.. and thank goodness that's not so bad..

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

72. I remain hopeful that the GOP won't want the news showing Dreamers being ripped from their homes

and sent away many to their deaths from the only home they have ever known. It is an election year. We shall see. I would trade the wall for Dreamers in a heartbeat.

[Cha]

74. Absolutely!

[Gothmog]

70. From Prof. Krugman

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

73. I saw this somewhere...he is right.

Thanks for the post.

[Cha]

75. Leave it to Krugman for keeping it Real..

Link to tweet

Mahalo again, Goth!

[AlexSFCA]

78. good move, CHIP will help us to get votes

much more than DACA, cause it affects citizens/voters.

[old guy]

79. At this point it no longer matters.

Good or bad, cave or not, its all academic. The vote has been taken and the die has been cast. The chips (no pun intended) will fall where they fall.