All we got was Mitch McConnels word

[TCJ70]

Think about that for a moment. This is NOT a win. We got the word of a man who orchestrated the theft of a Supreme Court seat. A guy who threatened the President when evidence of election interference came up in a meeting. This is not someone to be trusted.

Before anyone brings up CHIP, that was in the CR from Friday. That is not something we “got” as a result of the weekend.

That being the case. All we got from my perspective is the word of an untrustworthy turtle. Can anyone list the other things we “got” from this? I’m trying to find a bright side...

[samnsara]

1. a mans only as good as his word..if he welches we will shame him...

..out of office...

[TCJ70]

2. We should already know what his word is worth...n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

12. If we don't know, maybe Susan Collins can tell us about McConnell's word.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. It is easier to criticize dems when we dont really have any alternative suggestions that

would work, you know

[TCJ70]

17. Republicans were running out of time...

....the shutdown was falling on their shoulders. It would have been easy to show them not re-opening the government because they didn’t want to help children or people who were victims of human trafficking (which is essentially what DACA folks are).

This should have been the easiest thing in the world...and all we walked away with was McConnels promise of a vote. Great.

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. You dont know that and in fact the republicans dont care about the government nor does their

base.

Or they dont think they do.

Our side respects government and what it does for people, their side thinks government is bad and a waste, even those on their side who cant survive without it believe this crap.

No, they had nothing to gain because they know the blue wave is coming anyway. ALL they want is to harm brown people and they will try to do that whether the government is shut down or it isnt.

The good news is the filthy fucking disgusting freedumb teparty pricks do NOT control the GOP in the Senate and house in that there are enough cons to vote with us on DACA.

[TCJ70]

19. Government is how they make money...

...they care about it more than their rhetoric indicates.

[Demsrule86]

30. It wasn't. Did you read or see the commercials pitting DACA against CHIP?

We stopped that shit for our next shot.

[onenote]

41. Easy? There is repub base out there that still believes Trump walks on water

The repubs answer to that base, so how "easy" do you think it would be to get them to fold on DACA as part of a resolution of the shutdown?

The answer is not easy.

[Sophia4]

28. I hope you are joking. "shame" is not a Republican concept much less word.

[ooky]

3. We still have leverage if he doesnt deliver on his word

and we got CHIP too. We still hold the cards.

[TCJ70]

6. We didnt get CHIP. It was already in the CR from Friday.

What cards do we hold?

[Rollo]

8. Yeah, but there was a lot of other crap in the CR too... like funding the Wall, and gutting the ACA

So we basically got CHIP in exchange for a 3 week extension with NO other strings attached.

That's a clear win.

[TCJ70]

14. That wall funding is going to end up in the DACA bill.

What was being done to the ACA in the Friday CR?

[ooky]

11. Spending cards.

If McConnell does not keep his word we shut the government down again on Feb. 8.

And we wanted CHIP. Now we’ve closed it.

[mcar]

37. One hostage released

They now can't play CHIP & DACA against each other.

[onenote]

42. +1

[SoCalMusicLover]

5. We Kept Our Powder Dry

We'll Get 'Em Next Time.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. Damn straight. Or maybe the time after that.

[unblock]

7. people are making way too much of mcturtle's "promise". it doesn't matter

it's an extensions for all of three weeks.

if we don't get a deal we're ok with then we're back to shutdown and negotiation, whether mcturtle played his part or not.

if democrats feel mcturtle lied or otherwise pulled a fast one, they'll dig in more in three weeks.


i don't see how "let's keep the lights on for the next 3 weeks while we negotiate about what we wants and if we don't then the lights go back off" has to count as "caving" somehow.


now, if democrats do the exact same thing over and over, as mcturtle delays things endlessly, that's another story. but a one-time 3-week extension?

yawn.

[Demsrule86]

27. It is not caving.

[woodsprite]

9. Which holds all the value of a Confederate dollar after the Civil War. n/t

[sofa king]

10. What did we expect?

The goons have both houses of Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court. We have two tools in the bag: delay, and procedural maneuvering, in the Senate alone, and that is it. We used the delay to buy time for maneuvering.

The fuck does anyone expect out of that bullshit? We're lucky they're not hunting us in the streets... yet.

[TCJ70]

13. I expect more than McConnels word.

Shit in one hand, let McConnel talk into the other and see which one fills up faster. Maneuvering...BS.

[COLGATE4]

15. THIS

[sofa king]

20. His word never meant jack to anyone.

In addition to being totally untrustworthy, Mitch McConnell is also slow, stupid, evil, and bad at his job. We bought time to twist that fool into knots, and that's the only thing that Democrats are in a position to pull off right now.

That's it. Republicans are not going to concede anything, ever. They're not that good at their jobs. But because they're not good at their jobs, and we are better, we now have a chance to pull off some stop-loss maneuvering. We'll see in three weeks.

I would love to be wrong about this, so, people of DU, feel free to name something besides delay and maneuver in the Senate that Democrats can do in our federal government at this moment in time. I welcome the implausibles, particularly, so don't be shy.

[Demsrule86]

25. No you are right and to blame Democrats instead of the president who revoked the EA

putting Dreamers at risk and th GOP Congress who made big promises and delivered nothing is playing into the GOP's hands.

[mythology]

32. And your tactically brilliant plan to achieve that was?

Please make sure it also prevents the major economic losses of millions of government employees, contractors and businesses in countless communities that rely on government pay checks and CHIP funding. And it also needs to avoid the things we didn’t like in the previous bill.

[brush]

33. Try playing chess not checkers. CHIP in no longer on the bargaining table. A clean DACA vote is.

That's one move in our favor as 80% of the country want the DACA kids to stay.

The next, and we should all be thinking of next moves as in chess, is if the repugs renege and we don't get a good DACA outcome, we shut it the fuck down again.

McConnell and the repugs will again be shown to be inept at governing even though they hold all branches of government.

That's another future move in our favor.

They don't know how long the next shutdown will last and they will get the blame for not being able to figure out how to keep the doors open since they run everything.

That's whats hanging over their heads now.

Immediate gratification is over rated.

[TCJ70]

34. Where was the promise for a clean DACA vote?

That wasn’t what McConnel said. CHIP was resolved on Friday and was in the CR already.

[brush]

35. McConnell promised a DACA vote at the end of the new CR. If he reneges we shut it down again.

[brush]

36. Yes, we get CHIP for the duration of the new CR (kids keep insurance) and it's not in the Senate's..

negotiations for DACA.

The repugs can go against their word and try to slip it in but like I said, we have the votes to shut the whole thing the fuck down again.

You think they won't be worrying about that, about how they can't keep things running, how the Dems are pulling their strings?

[mcar]

38. Do you really think Schumer believes Turtle?

They have him telling the American people he will do this. Also, if Turtle does bring a vote and it passes, then the ball is in Ryan's court. It's all on the Rsnow.

[Demsrule86]

23. That is a damned good point...have you seen the 'Librals' deserve to die posts?

[Nanjeanne]

21. And the House didnt agree to this so it

Means nothing in terms of protecting the Dreamers.

[Demsrule86]

22. The money was running out for CHIP...the kids would have had not medical starting this week.

We got Chip. It was all we were going to get. We get to bring it up in three weeks...and I think Schumer did a good job.

[TCJ70]

24. Great. We can bring it up in three weeks...

...then McConnel can say no to anything just like he did with any Democratic amendments to things all this past year. Fantastic. We got that for something that was already settled on Friday.

[Demsrule86]

26. He might...and probably will. We have a shot...it may not work. But we have nothing else.

We have no levers of power. I am impressed the Dems have done as well as they have. I would have thought Chip would have been a goner.

[TCJ70]

29. Youre impressed? This should have been easy.

The shutdown was falling squarely on Republican shoulders. What were they keeping the government shutdown for? Not wanting to help people who were trafficked into this country against their will as children? The framing on this is so simple...but Democrats are unwilling to say the hard things.

[EffieBlack]

40. What do you think we could have gotten if we'd continued the shutdown?

Besides personal satisfaction that comes from feeling like we're sticking it to somebody.

[regnaD kciN]

43. In other words...

..."so what if we threw brown people under the us, as long as we got insurance for white kids!"

[TCJ70]

44. Even I wont go that far...

...CHIP helps more than just white kids.

[MontanaMama]

31. If we are back to shut down and negotiation

in 3 weeks, I guess that gives Mueller 3 more weeks to gather that much more incriminating information on all the GOPers that took Russian money and who knows what else. Drip drip drip for 3 more weeks...who can say what we'll know by then.

[uponit7771]

39. +1