ICE is out of control and just rounding people up. I really hate to bring this up but...

[TreasonousBastard]

invading public buses and businesses to look for "illegals" is looking more and more like you-know-who around 80 years ago.

I used to laugh at that comparison just a couple of weeks ago, but I keep thinking of more camps and more rounding up...

And not enough seem to care.

[JI7]

1. They are thugs

[Demtexan]

2. Money to be made.

You know private companies would run them.

How do you prove you are born here.

[spinbaby]

9. In more ways than one

A point that is often overlooked is that the wealthy class wants immigrants to stay illegal because illegals have no bargaining power and can be exploited. Not only are they the next best thing to slaves, they keep wages down for everyone else. To make money off of poor people, you have to keep them poor.

[treestar]

52. This

Is very true. And why the laws are not well enforced. There is no intent to enforce them.

[Mike Niendorff]

55. This is PRECISELY it.

It's about creating and maintaining a systematically oppressed underclass who have no legal rights or recourse, no matter what is done to them.

A path to citizenship takes all that away -- and those in control now are FURIOUS.


MDN

[RKP5637]

3. Sadly, there are more than enough of these types to do this. Years ago I wondered, how could a

country descend so low, to be so inhumane. And now I see/feel some made out of the same piece of cloth as decades ago, now in the US.

[Demtexan]

5. It can happen anywhere.

Do we have to pack around our papers now.

[RKP5637]

8. I still think many Americans are still asleep at the wheel, still don't get what's going on. n/t

[atreides1]

15. And that's the problem

And unless Americans open their eyes, by the time they realize what's going on, next door neighbors will have already disappeared!!!

[RKP5637]

16. Yep, history repeats. I never dreamed we would see this type of sh** in the US. Look at what has

happened in 1 year. Imagine 3 more years if this continues.

[bdamomma]

46. it takes time to take down a country

looks like Putin is getting what he wants, to totally dismantle the US Government he hates the State Dept. and if you notice the State Department is a shell. Horrible, tRump is a russian agent he is no American.

[pangaia]

19. Most Americans, by a long shot

[RKP5637]

20. Sadly, quite true. n/t

[trotsky]

28. Well many of them have been convinced that everyone who is undocumented...

is a criminal waiting for an opportunity to murder or steal. The right wing has been fomenting this distrust for a long time, and their media mouthpieces play right along.

[RKP5637]

30. A fair number in the US are intrinsically stupid and propagandized, others just propagandized, minds

destroyed, being destroyed, and they just can't comprehend what's going on.

[appalachiablue]

65. ...

[RKP5637]

68. Definitely!!! IMO we have the "boiling frog" and "Stockholm Syndrome" well at work. I think

most Americans are just "ho hum," the country just keeps clucking along. And, that is what they're counting on, a bunch of Americans just clucking along. And the Lemmings, they're already jumping off the cliff.

[RKP5637]

80. Trump and his herd use authoritarian nazi tactics. And some in the media join them

whole heartily. ... difficult to believe this is going on, I thought we were way past those times.

[LuckyLib]

67. Evidently you do if you're Latino.

[samnsara]

4. reminds me of south Africa where ppl HAD to carry id

[Orrex]

6. I agree with you completely

In 1992 I was on a bus from Austin to Altoona, and we were stopped somewhere in Tennessee by some manner of law enforcement. We were all herded off of the bus and made to stand within a square of four traffic cones while the cops(?) searched the bus and luggage compartment with three German Shepherds.

They weren't specifically targeting suspected illegal immigrants, or at any rate they didn't check anyone's papers, but they never said what they were looking for, nor did they show a warrant.

My much younger self didn't have the nerve to question it at the time, but I always remember the cops' sense of matter-of-fact entitlement, like they had the power to do this and god help anyone who resisted.

After 30 minutes or so we were put back on the bus and continued on our way, and that's that.

I was a boring white kid with no contraband and a clean record. I can't even imagine what that experience is like for someone in one of the targeted demographics.


I have no doubt that ICE is using any pretext, however flimsy, to justify its aggressive gestapo tactics.

[FakeNoose]

31. They were probably looking for drugs

What you describe here sounds like a drug search, especially with the dogs. Maybe somebody called in a tip and they had the authority to stop and search the bus. It would have been very bad luck for anyone who happened to have a small amount of marijuana on them. Luckily nobody on your bus did that.

The ICE agents are now given much more authority to do warrantless searches etc. than what you were subjected to. It's terrifying for immigrants in this country, even those who are here legally.

[thbobby]

7. An accurate comparison

The final solution did not occur until years of propaganda against Jewish People poisoned the German minds. And the final solution was preceded by years of encouraging and forcing them to deport themselves. There are too many parallels between trump America and Hitler Germany. Of course, we have nuclear weapons and not just tanks and Stukas.

[RKP5637]

10. Very scary. The SOS. n/t

[oberliner]

11. Trump deportations lag behind Obama levels

The U.S. is deporting people more slowly than during the Obama administration despite President Donald Trump’s vast immigration crackdown, according to new data from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

From Feb. 1 to June 30, ICE officials removed 84,473 people — a rate of roughly 16,900 people per month. If deportations continue at the same clip until the fiscal year ends Sept. 30, federal immigration officials will have removed fewer people than they did during even the slowest years of Barack Obama's presidency.

In fiscal year 2016, ICE removed 240,255 people from the country, a rate of more than 20,000 people per month.

In fiscal year 2012 — the peak year for deportations under Obama — the agency removed an average of roughly 34,000 people per month.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/08/trump-deportations-behind-obama-levels-241420

[babylonsister]

14. Big difference is that

Obama primarily deported people with a criminal background. dt doesn't care; if they're brown, they're gone.


ICE immigration arrests of noncriminals double under Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration-arrests-of-noncriminals-double-under-trump/2017/04/16/98a2f1e2-2096-11e7-be2a-3a1fb24d4671_story.html?utm_term=.649cf4bd6080

snip//

Arrests of immigrants with no criminal records more than doubled to 5,441, the clearest sign yet that President Trump has ditched his predecessor’s protective stance toward most of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

[Honeycombe8]

33. Well, to correct your post...it's not that they're brown. It's that they are here illegally...

Just to put a fine point on it. They are not deporting citizens, no matter their color.

Not saying they should be boarding buses, looking for people who are here illegally. That's, well, reminds me of Nazi Germany. But they are looking for illegal status. They're not rounding up people of color and deporting them, if they are here legally or are citizens.

[uponit7771]

58. "It's that they are here illegally...", He's a world renown racist isn't he? Why give Red Don ...

... the benefit of the doubt after all he's said and done?



Thx in advance

[Honeycombe8]

59. Please list those deportees who are "brown" but here legally.

You can list them here:

____________________________________________________

[Lucky Luciano]

83. Get back to me when Irish people overstaying their visas face the same targeting. nt

[Kingofalldems]

22. Misleading.

[oberliner]

45. Fair enough

I do think that we can acknowledge that deportation levels during the Obama presidency were pretty high - and at their peak (2012) higher than current levels.

[bullwinkle428]

29. FAKE NEWS - NPR reported this morning that deportations rose significantly

in 2017! Convenient of you to only use the first 6 months of the year in your comparison.

[oberliner]

44. Trump's ICE Deportations Are Up From Obama's Figures, Data Show

Year-end figures analyzed by NPR show deportations to all countries — from the Middle East to Africa to Asia — have increased sharply under President Trump compared to Obama's last year in office.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/579884642/trumps-ice-deportations-increase-from-obamas-figures-data-show

Good point - thank you for bringing it up.

That said, the levels of deportations during 2012 were even higher.

[joshcryer]

66. To be fair Obama did have to deal with a massive immigration crisis.

Remember all those detention centers Obama had to set up because they were sending minors in? It was crazy.

[babylonsister]

12. Saw this this a.m. Broke my heart...

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42667659/the-missing-consequences-of-trump-s-immigration-crackdown?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

[annabanana]

18. Education is a bargain when you figure in the cost of ignorance!. . . . n/t

[Honeycombe8]

34. Yeah, well...I don't believe those people who said they didn't know how it'd play out.

They pretend ignorance that people they know would be deported. Of COURSE they knew. What they're really thinking: Now an American citizen can get that job.

They won't admit it publicly, but they knew. Anyone with a brain knew. Anyone here illegally was at high risk of being deported. Dreamers maybe would find an escape clause, but otherwise, all the millions of others would be at high risk.

[TEB]

13. Gestapo assholes

[Blue_Tires]

17. There is some sick irony that the new, supercharged ICE

is the ONE Trump initiative that could be considered successful by his terms...

[uponit7771]

21. It's OK to say Hitler now

[Wounded Bear]

42. Godwin's Law has been suspended...

for the duration.

[Cha]

62. Is it ever.

Except here..

[bronxiteforever]

23. Ice is being directed by the GOP. The GOP is out of control.

I agree with your dismay. Never thought we would see this day.

[Sunlei]

24. 15,000 more people "detained" in private for profit immigation prisons PER DAY, in RepublicanLand.

Immigration Detention Map & Statistics | Endisolation



www.endisolation.org/resources/immigration-detention/

Over 60 percent of people are held in privately-run immigration detention facilities. For example, GEO Group and Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) together detain approximately 15,000 people in immigration detention per day.

Use CIVIC’s interactive map of all U.S. immigration detention facilities to locate a facility near you. The facilities are categorized by facility operator (i.e. privately-run, ICE-run, or county/city-run). Click on a facility to learn how many people are detained there per day, local lock-up quotas, and the cost per person per day, and more. On average, taxpayers spend $90.43 to detain a person in a private immigration detention facility, compared to an average of $72.69 in a municipal jail. This map also contains information on each CIVIC-affiliated visitation program.

[muntrv]

25. Again...

[bdamomma]

54. this is horrible

we know what is happening what about those who couldn't give a shit about this. Are we repeating history??? This is out of control, these are people and lives we are talking about here.

[bullwinkle428]

26. NPR reported this AM that deportations were up SHARPLY in 2017,

and keep in mind that Obama deported more people than any other previous President.

[lagomorph777]

27. Spot on. Deportation was a major Nazi strategy.

[FakeNoose]

32. The Nazis deported people to work camps

Most of the camps were in other countries, not on German soil. With the exception of Dachau, most of the camps were in eastern areas like Czechoslovakia, Poland, even in Austria. Yes the unwanted people (Jews, gypsies, communists, socialists, non-Germans) were "deported" but they were still under German control. Mostly they worked as slaves and those who couldn't work were killed.

[lagomorph777]

39. Details vary; I think the GOP want two classes of foreigners:

(1) Successful ones (such as DACA recipients) should be deported; they or their future kids represent a serious threat of becoming citizens and voters.

(2) An exploitable underclass with zero power who can effectively be enslaved in work camps here (e.g. farm workers).

Yes, a bit different in the details, but the thrust still involves a combination of deportation and work camps.

[AlexSFCA]

76. you are saying they werent deported to their home countries?

[FakeNoose]

85. If you've seen the movie Schindler's List

...then you have a pretty good idea what the Nazis did. Sending people to their "home" countries was not an option since they were living in Germany and in many cases they had German citizenship. After Germany started invading other countries (Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc.) it greatly increased their unwanted population of non-Germans, so they built more camps to contain them.

Before the war, in the mid to late 30's many German Jews left Germany, so you could say they self-deported. But that was entirely voluntary and Germany put a stop to it as soon as the war started.

[AlexSFCA]

86. Im being sarcastic as the folks here draw comparisons

a little reminder that enforcing the law that we had for decades has nothing to do with what happened in Nazi Germany. No one here will ever deport US citizens regardless of their skin color. It’s comparisons like these make us easy targets for rw to ridicule, let’s not give them the ammunition and be smarter and more pragmatic than that. Let’s focus on DACA folks with the understanding that the adults will have to face consequences but they gave their kids a better life. And the consequence is nothing like nazi germany, simply returning to home country, maybe even for free and for vast majority it will be Mexico which is NOT a third world country, please. Yes, even Alabama has places that are third world.

[getagrip_already]

35. New GOP Directive on undocumented residents....

If they are Brown, Flush them down,
... If they are Yellow, let them mellow


They like to keep rules brief.

[Justice]

36. They've been boarding buses since Trump took office. You have to show ID when buy

bus ticket. So they have a record of who is on bus - they know who they are looking for when board.

Its the 40 year old doctor in Ohio that I cannot figure out - how did ICE figure out he pled to charges as juvenile?

[LittleGirl]

38. I think you're referring to the doctor in Kalamazoo Michigan. n/t

[radhika]

37. EinsatzTrumppen, loving their jobs

I've read several articles about the fervor they bring to these round-ups. Swoop suddenly, so it's hard to reach phones to record and post.

ICE reportedly chafed at the bit under Obama, just hoping for Trump to unleash them to #MAGA.

[lagomorph777]

40. Storm Trooper style.

[iscooterliberally]

41. I heard on the news this morning that ICE can board any bus within 100 miles of the coast.

Someone stated that by that measure, the entire state of Florida is within 100 miles of the coast so any bus traveling anywhere in Florida could get boarded.

[tblue37]

43. K&R. nt

[LiberalFighter]

47. Anyone as far as I am concerned that is in ICE needs to suffer.

[Still In Wisconsin]

48. Same shit, different century. TRUMP's GOP basically behaves like the Nazi Party in the 1930's.

Normally when people start making Nazi/Hitler comparisons I shake my head and stop listening. But in the case of the TRUMP party- not all Republicans but the TRUMP ones- the comparison is valid.

[James48]

49. Papers please! MAY I SEE YOU PAPERS, PLEASE!

Last edited Tue Jan 23, 2018, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Actual 1943 German travel permit, allowing you to board a bus to go to a neighboring town.

[haele]

50. So, when are they going to start rounding up citizens who look like they might be "immigrants"...

People born in the U.S. - with a Social Security number on a card that is supposed to be kept at home "safe" - who might have left their driver's license at home (or might not have one), who might be walking down the street wearing clothes that are just a bit grungy, working in their own front yard or on their own car in the driveway, or who might be working day labor or unskilled jobs?
When they start picking up U.S. Citizens, native born or naturalized, on the basis on their names or the color of their skin? Oh, wait - it's already happening. And has been for decades in many areas...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/22/504031635/you-say-you-re-an-american-but-what-if-you-had-to-prove-it-or-be-deported

Haele

[LiberalLovinLug]

79. Also, soon it will be volunteers, others that simply want to help them.

Even if they are as white as snow. Or any colour. There will be new laws set up to make aiding and abetting more serious, jail time offenses. Anyone from pastors sheltering a family, to young people wanting to help out.

[C_U_L8R]

51. Auslander raus!

They really should be goose-stepping and saluting their dear Trumpolini

[RandomAccess]

53. Every time I read another story -- and there are far too many of them

Nazi Germany flashes thru my head. UNBIDDEN. It's like a message from my subconscious.

And you're right. Not enough people are paying attention and demanding different. And THAT keeps reminding me of Rev. Niemoller's poem:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[raven mad]

56. Had one here, and I can't back this up -

but sent a man who was BORN here "down south".

[Jakes Progress]

57. trump's brown shirts.

Of course he would like that description.

Just imagine the kind of people who seek to work for ICE.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

60. Equal even-handed enforcement of law they would demand papers from first-class airline passengers

And check papers of everyone aboard a corporate jet.

For example, Melania was photographed naked in a corporate jet at a time it is likely she did not have full and proper authorization for working in the US.

[byronius]

61. I will, for the rest of my life, insist that every current ICE officer be turned out of their job.

They've embarrassed and harmed their nation, and history will judge them all harshly.

It takes a certain kind of person to go along with this type of action. I don't want them in my community or in my nation.

They will find plenty of work in the New Soviet Union. They should go there.

[McCamy Taylor]

63. Convinced there is a bounty. That is the only thing that makes sense.

[yuiyoshida]

64. What's next? INTERNMENT CAMPS?

[nilesobek]

70. I grew up with a friend from Payette, Idaho,

and his family were placed in an internment camp. He was born in America, he was more American than apple pie and baseball.

He was just like us. We worked together, we partied together, we played together on the same city league softball teams. He told me all about his family's history, and what it was like to live in Japan. He could speak the language fluently.

I really miss my old friend but have to console myself in that he did not live long enough to witness the horror that had befallen his family, his wife, his dog and baby son.

[BobTheSubgenius]

69. I tried to find non-explicit words to advance this very idea, a few days ago.

I can't remember my exact words, but "Godwin's Law" was invoked.

[sarcasmo]

71. All the GOP needs are trains and bing, bang, boop.

[GulfCoast66]

73. Not buying it.

Deportations are up, but under Obama a shit ton of people were being detained and deported. More than under Bush. Do not remember any Godwin post about him.

And here is the deal folks...if our position automatically becomes the anti-trump and we do things like removing support for immigration laws we are going to lose. Because if you think that the majority of Americans or even Democratic Party members think that we should stop enforcing immigration laws you could not be more wrong. Are we really suggesting that our policy positions is that if a person makes it over the boarder they are good? No harm, no foul. That is a loser position.

[TreasonousBastard]

75. Obama primarily deported criminals, not bus riders minding their own business. Besides...

he gave us DACA and tried to expand it further. Trump is just getting started and killed DACA.

Nobody is trying to eliminate or weaken immigration laws-- just apply them fairly.

[AlexSFCA]

74. More folks have been deported under Obama than any other president

However, it was never covered as negatively because Obama never went to war with press. I also remember many dems, including myself, were praising Obama for enforcing our immigrations laws more robustly than other presidents.

Let’s never confuse legal and illigal immigration. I am in liberal SF and all my friends are democrats, not one is in support of illegal immigration so it is not a winning cause for democrats to run on even in CA. Immigration reform does not mean stopping enforcing our laws. DACA is a separate issue because children could not be held responsible for their parents actions for the rest of their lives so there should be a way to give them permanent status which may eventually lead to citizenship. However, their parents did violate the law and consciously continued to do so for years and misled public sometimes using fraudulent documents (can easily be a felony). The law is not always fair but it is about following it equally. Unfair laws can and should be changed but it does not mean it applies retroactively.

It continues to amaze me how American public at large has very little knowledge about US immigration system. We should teach this in civic class.

[TreasonousBastard]

77. Well, Obama had eight years to build a total but Trump is on the way to beat his record...

by not making distinctions between criminals and visa overstays.

And the distinctions between legal and illegal immigration is problematic since they change regularly. Laws change, allotments change, and once DACA is eliminated, children will be not be responsible for their parents' actions, but will suffer because of them.

Ultimately, if someone has managed to set up a life here and is a productive member of the society, there is no moral or ethical reason to kick him out due to the random accident of his birthplace.

[AlexSFCA]

87. the distinction is not problematic at all

it is very clear so let’s never compare illigal immigrants with legal residents wich includes folks on student visas, work visas, business visa, green cards, etc. Let’s never compare these with folks who either illigally crossed the border or consciously overstayed after the visa expired and often times used fraudelent documentation to continue their stay misleading the authorities and public at large (easily a felony).

[Skittles]

78. red meat for sick, Trump-humping racists