Wow-Dutch Intell Infiltrated Russian Hacker Group- Witnessed -How Russians Attacked US Institutions

[kpete]

Wow. The Dutch intelligence agency infiltrated in major Russian hacker group. They witnessed from up close how the Russians structurally attacked US institutions and tried to influence elections.

Dutch intelligence had acces to Russian Cozy Bear hackers group for years and obtained crucial evidence for Russian interference in the U.S. elections,

Cozy Bear's located in a university building near the Red Square. Dutch intel (AIVD) manage to gain access to a security camera. Faces of everyone who enters or exits are analysed for matches with known Russian spies. Info that will prove to be vital, @huibmodderkolk writes.

important Dutch article. Says that Dutch had infiltrated Cosy Bear in 2014 and were watching DNC hack. They informed US intel services who allowed Cosy Bear hack to continue and then used the hack that they had permitted as an excuse to ratchet up international tensions.

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Dutch agencies provide crucial intel about Russia's interference in US-elections
Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. That's what de Volkskrant and Nieuwsuur have uncovered in their investigation.

It's the summer of 2014. A hacker from the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD has penetrated the computer network of a university building next to the Red Square in Moscow, oblivious to the implications. One year later, from the AIVD headquarters in Zoetermeer, he and his colleagues witness Russian hackers launching an attack on the Democratic Party in the United States. The AIVD hackers had not infiltrated just any building; they were in the computer network of the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. And unbeknownst to the Russians, they could see everything.

That's how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won't be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

The Dutch access provides crucial evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democratic Party, according to six American and Dutch sources who are familiar with the material, but wish to remain anonymous. It's also grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of the Russian interference on the election race between the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and the Republican candidate Donald Trump.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=shared%20content&utm_content=free

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[L. Coyote]

1. And the voters were not informed, and the hack not prevented, because ....?

Someone should have to answer for this.

[KPN]

13. You know, I can hear Faux News, Rush and then McConnell, Ryan and the rest of the GOP thugs

saying this exactly. They will most definitely try to redirect.

[certainot]

16. they control the spin and the buzz

kremlin's been using talk radio long before social media became a player and probably had a lot to do with the teabags

russians like their tea

[BobTheSubgenius]

71. And the GOP has become their samovar.

Too much? I don't care for over=stretched metaphors, but something in my brain just wouldn't allow me to let go.

[Eliot Rosewater]

31. McConnell made it clear to Obama that if Obama told the public McConnell,

being the traitor he is, would make it political and turn the country into a raging fire of hate.

[L. Coyote]

40. That was later. Why wasn't DNC alerted immediately?

[CrispyQ]

68. Isn't that what happened anyway - the country turned into a raging fire of hate?

The American public had a right to know before the election. The dems were played again.

[DallasNE]

53. You Must Have Missed It

About 3 days ago Biden said McConnell blocked Obama's desire to go public on this. The Obama administration sought McConnell's signature on an announcement of Russian hacking of our election and McConnell refused to sign the statement.

Obama did not feel he could release the information because it would appear to be an attempt by Obama to throw the election to Clinton. Only if it was bi-partisan would it be taken seriously. McConnell, at the time, was refusing to hold hearings on Judge Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court so that decision was at stake too. That was a test of leadership and McConnell failed it miserably.

[L. Coyote]

55. I'm saying in real time, when the DNC hack was in play and the Dutch were watching.

Why was this allowed to go on? Is there a gigantic roundup of perps about to happen? What justified not disclosing that the crime was in progress? Is the vast right wing conspiracy about to be indicted?

[Tavarious Jackson]

2. So our intelligence agency allowed the hack to continue?

Than used the hack to ratchet up international tensions? Is there more to this? This seems odd.

[certainot]

20. SOP for anti dem and anti democracy intel agencies politicized by bush/rove especially

they just didn't expect it to go this south with trump

[Sophia4]

32. I don't think they waited just to ratchet up international tensions.

Had Hillary been elected (and she did win 3 million more votes than Trump so in a sense she was), then this could have been used as a way to spy on the Russians.

Too many discontented Americans voted for Trump in just the right states, so he got the White House even though he really lost the election, and only because he "won" does this information come out.

If Hillary had won, she would have shut out the Russian spies, dealt with them properly and without a lot of fanfare, and we would not have known about this.

Our intelligence agency "allowed" the hack to continue for strategic reasons. They warned the DNC, and the DNC paid no attention.

[ChiTownDenny]

39. If memory serves,

didn't the FBI leave a couple voicemail messages and eventually spoke to an IT helpline at the DNC?

[Sophia4]

41. That's the way I understand it, but it was much later than 2014.

[ChiTownDenny]

43. Good point

about 2014.

[regnaD kciN]

66. Then, unfortunately, it was a major miscalculation...

...to assume that even the Russian efforts couldn't derail HRC's election. If something had been done to nip this in the bud, instead of just sitting back and planning to use it after 2016, we might have been spared the living nightmare we're in now.

[pangaia]

3. Is this part going to sound like US INTEL screwed up in 21014?

"They informed US intel services who allowed Cosy Bear hack to continue and then used the hack that they had permitted as an excuse to ratchet up international tensions."

[Sophia4]

33. A certain portion of that sentence is sheer conjecture. The author does not know

why the US intel services allowed Cosy Bear to continue to hack.

It was more likely not to give the Dutch who were hacking so to speak Cozy Bear away and to maintain the ability to continue to watch the Russians.

Trump wasn't supposed to (and really didn't) win the majority of votes in our election.

[orangecrush]

57. +1

[Sanity Claws]

4. My, my, my

Can anyone remember what exactly the US did in 2014 or 2015 to ratchet up international tensions?

[icymist]

42. Ukrainian war with Russia comes to mind.

Stronger Russian presence in Syria also comes to my memory as I recall Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter jet in 2015.

[The_jackalope]

5. BOOM!

Another torpedo below the waterline of the USS Treasonweasel.

[awesomerwb1]

6. So our intel agencies allowed the hack to continue....

"I'm lost with this part though: "allowed Cosy Bear hack to continue and then used the hack that they had permitted as an excuse to ratchet up international tensions".

[The_jackalope]

7. I take it this way

They may have let the hack go on in order to gather more traceback to the originators. It's a standard Law Enforcement technique - let the street level crime go on, and use the activity to lead you back to the Capo.

I interpret "ratchet up international tensions" as meaning, "told Russia that the US knew of the interference and were instituting heavier sanctions as a consequence."

[awesomerwb1]

10. That makes sense. Thank you nt

[Sophia4]

34. You explain the reason that US intelligence seems to blame Putin as behind the hacking.

They probably know what they are talking about.

Doesn't Trump have all this evidence? How can he sit in the White House knowing that the Russians' espionage put him there?

Is his internal lying to himself all that extreme?

[Gabi Hayes]

56. Remember all those pix of him which seem to show him in his dities?

He knows which way the wind is blowing:

Straight up his Hugh Jass

[getagrip_already]

19. It may have also been that...

They didn't want to blow cover on the intel op. Sometimes, they have to let bad things happen while they are spying, or they risk blowing their sources out of the water.

People die that way.

But they at the least could have put a plan in place to reduce the damage. Maybe take out wikileaks as soon as the dumps began.

Something. What they did was allow the election to be stolen.

[triron]

8. This if true indicates some new twists to this whole Russia interference scheme

Needs to be some more corroboration.

[Sophia4]

35. My grandmother was Dutch. This is completely believable to me.

My grandmother had a number of sisters, all smarter than you would ever believe.

Same for my mother.

The Dutch are a breed unto themselves. I say this because I knew my grandmother and her sisters. What a bunch. And I picked up a lot of Dutch from their gossip sessions.

And did they gossip. This is precisely the kind of conduct I would expect from my grandmother and her sisters -- peeping grandmoms. Just so curious about everything, so needing to know everything, brimming over with nosiness. That's how I view the Dutch in my family.

[The_jackalope]

9. Do bears shit themselves in the woods???? nt

[The_jackalope]

12. Y'all GOTTA read the story - this is fucking epic.

The Dutch completely pwned the Russian Intel Services. They broke into the Russian security cameras, fergodsake, and got pics of everyone entering or leaving the hackers' HQ.

They were all up in the Russian comms, and the poor boobs didn't even suspect they were being looked at. Meanwhile the Dutch were feeding the NSA in real time.

The Dutch are real-life IC heroes, IMHO.

[orangecrush]

58. Mata Hari

The queen of espionage, was Dutch.

[Jeroen]

14. Translation of podcast tweet

Nieuwe podcast - over angst en geheime dubbellevens tijdens de Koude Oorlog, de geslotenheid van de AIVD en MIVD en minister Ollongren https://soundcloud.com/volkskrantgeluid/33a …

New podcast - about fears and secret double lives during the Cold War, the secrecy of the AIVD and Minister Ollongren


Note: this tweets is general information about the AIVD, not relevant to the Cozy Bear operation.

[thbobby]

15. I am not sure what to make of this

But it does sound significant. Lots of questions about why American People were not informed or DNC was not informed (or were they?). I just cannot wrap my feeble mind around what this means yet.

I hope Rachel talks about this. She is very good at putting things in a framework I can understand.

[erronis]

27. Unless Rachel has managed to cross that virtual human/borg chasm

She sure looks real to me but I wouldn't totally trust her or her newsfeeds. Anymore than DU.

[triron]

29. I was thinking the same thing (about Rachel).

[FakeNoose]

72. Obama and other top officials did know

He didn't stop the election because he thought the Repukes would raise holy hell and claim he was trying to swing votes to Hillary. He was between a rock and a hard place.

In hindsight, it would have been better if our allies - the Dutch, the Germans, the British, and others - had all called a major press conference and revealed everything they knew about what Russia was doing to screw up our election. They should have just told the whole story right out. Instead they whistered to Obama behind closed doors, and he did nothing.

[Justice]

17. I am unfamiliar with the names of people tweeting above - reliable sources?

Any insight much appreciated. Fact the OP comes from kpete is very reassuring as to credibility but interested in credibility of tweeters and the publication.

Many thanks

[Jeroen]

25. The Volkskrant story is based on anonymous sources

However, the newspaper (Volkskrant) itself has a very good reputation in the Netherlands.

How the story was written (in Dutch):
https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/zo-kwam-het-verhaal-over-het-cruciale-werk-van-de-aivd-in-het-onderzoek-naar-russische-beinvloeding-van-de-amerikaanse-verkiezingen-tot-stand~a4561845/

[Pepsidog]

18. Expect our Dear Leader to start throwing shade toward the Dutch

[Progressive dog]

21. A link to Dutch TV group

http://www.dw.com/en/russian-hackers-use-dutch-polls-as-practice/a-37850898

[certainot]

22. 2014 was the year sam nunberg said he listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio for

trump prep for elections - new york magazine 4/3/16 by gabriel sherman

if they had their boy and they were getting material ready for anti hillary/dem election what better way to coordinate it all than piggyback and feed talk radio, which had been sued to attack dems for 3 decades.

feed limbaugh through breitbart and let trump play to the talk radio teabag base - no direct communications needed except in the later stages when it involved voter data and last minute material before the election, and then to give orders and collect

[Sophia4]

37. Democrats should not get all excited about choosing the candidate really early in an

election cycle for the reason you point to: the Republicans and their buddies have lots of time, years in the case of Hillary, to prepare all kinds of true and untrue gossip about the Democratic candidate.

Let's surprise the Republicans this election cycle and see who wins in the primaries but not hype the person years before the election. Let's put the spotlight on a number of good candidates, any one of whom would make a good president and then foil the Republicans' propaganda machine.

[certainot]

60. good idea. repubs are always pushing dem candidates to eplain themselves and jump the gun

on issues and many dems join in, not knowing it doesn't matter what dems say or do - they can spin it or any of it's components any way they want as long as dems ignore talk radio

they cant sell their shit on fox with bozos like hannity and tucker looking into the camera and lying - it's only the radio with days and weeks and even years of unchallenged repetition that establishes the alt reality

[.99center]

23. McConnell and Ryan's decision not to make a statement

After our WH and State Dept. was attacked, is beyond disturbing.


https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2213767-dutch-intelligence-first-to-alert-u-s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html

After a few months, in November 2014, the Dutch watched as the Russian hackers penetrated the computer network of the State Department. After being alerted to this by the Dutch intelligence chiefs, it took the Americans over 24 hours to avert the Russian attack, after a digital clash which, years later, at a discussion forum in Aspen, the Deputy Director of the NSA would refer to as hand-to-hand combat . Basing itself on intelligence sources, the Washington Post wrote that a Western ally had been of assistance.

In the autumn of 2014, the Russians also gained access to the non-classified computer network of the White House. This allowed them to see confidential memos and non-public information about the itinerary of President Obama, and to at least part of President Obama's email correspondence. These hacks, too, were exposed by the Dutch intelligence services, which subsequently notified the Americans.

[superpatriotman]

24. Did they use Troll Tracker?

South Park prescience once again.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

61. That was the Danish who came up with that

[hurple]

26. Sounds like

It's brown trouser time for everyone from trump's campaign

[Blue_Tires]

28. Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment....

[orangecrush]

30. ...

[Gothmog]

36. So the claim that the Steele Dossier caused the intelligence agencies investigation is bogus

[Sophia4]

38. Amen!

My Dutch grandmother would be so proud!

And my Dutch aunt who worked on codes in WWII in some capacity would also.

[DoctorJoJo]

49. Interesting!!

My paternal grandmother was pure Dutch, and her daughter, my Aunt, was a Navy Lt during WWII, and she worked on cracking the Japanese naval codes while stationed at Pearl Harbor. Her daughter was born at Pearl after the war ended. Are we related??

[Sophia4]

54. Sorry! No. My aunt was a WAC and she had no living children.

I don't know what codes she worked on, but I went to visit her when I was 15 and utterly stupid. She showed me her Morse code machine and talked to me with a very mysterious look on her face as if to say without saying it that what she was telling me was very important and I should not forget it. Of course, I did not understand at all what she was trying to tell me without really telling me. It took many years and a better understanding of history before I could understand her. She was wonderful.

We may not be genetically related, but I bet we are "related" in many other wonderful ways. And who knows? We could be genetically related through common Dutch ancestors. My sister is quite an expert on the family history of it.

Thanks for your post.

I owe a lot to my Dutch ancestors. They were adventurous but very practical. That's a winning combination in my view. Adventurous but exceedingly neat and well organized.

[orangecrush]

45. appears so!

great catch!

[orangecrush]

44. Reuters is reporting this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210144696

[PatrickforO]

46. Sigh. Another good subject for my weekly call to my Ayn Rand worshipping

US Representative's office. And of course my Senators.

[orangecrush]

47. The Dutch do have a little history...

in spy biz...






They hacked the cameras in the Russian hacking headquarters!

[triron]

48. Did the Steele dossier allude to this?

[BigmanPigman]

50. I am SO grateful to foreign Intel like Australia

and England. Australia turned Popodoplous into our country's intel after he got drunk and spilled the beans.

We will need foreign intel more and more in the future as our own govt intel is ridiculed and torn apart by the Fucking Moron and complicit GOP reps.

[renate]

64. I wonder who theyd tell now

I wouldn’t think they’d share information like this with the U.S. government these days. Scary to think how big a difference it makes to not be trusted by previous international friends any more.

[BigmanPigman]

65. I think the Intel pros are pretty good at deciding which channels

are reliable and which ones aren't. They could also share Intel about our country with each other and circumvent us temporarily until the situation is more "trustworthy".

We are also counting on the scientists in other countries to share their research with us about Climate Change since our scientists have been understaffed and forced into silence.

Unbelievable that Germany, then China are trusted more than us in less than a year of this admin. We are barely trusted more than Russia by other countries now.

[not fooled]

51. And don't forget

the Dutch journalists calling out dump's ambassador Hoekstra when he tried to lie about past wingnut comments

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/10/trumps-ambassador-to-netherlands-was-asked-to-name-a-person-burned-because-of-islam-he-couldnt/?utm_term=.2df6533a13f8|]

And then there's this

[link:http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2017/05/video-dutch-tv-documentary-claims-trump-has-ties-to-russia-mobsters/|]

[elehhhhna]

52. Dutch don't fuck around.

Am Dutch, can confirm.

[orangecrush]

59. Ex wife

was of Dutch stock.

Not tall blonde, but chestnut blonde hair so fine she could use a baby comb, doe brown eyes, petite but amazingly strong.

And a master of secrets.

I screwed up, still miss her after 30 years.

[liberalla]

62. WOW is right! This is a big fucking deal

2014?? !!! Wow wow wow!

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[sharedvalues]

63. HUGE, MASSIVE, ENORMOUS story. HUUUUUUUGE

Guys, Mueller knows a lot.
A lot lot.

This is going to be the biggest investigation, and biggest scandal, in American history. By far. WAY bigger than Watergate.

It may be the biggest investigation and intelligence op in world history. The Russians threw the American election and are holding the president by the balls. And now it turns out the Dutch had two years of detailed information on who did it. HUGE.

Buckle up.

[niyad]

67. sickened k and r

[yodermon]

69. So PAPADAPOLOUS' drunken leaking to an FBI informant didn't trigger the investigation..

FOREIGN ALLIED SPYING did so.

Hmm, now who has been saying this?

Not the NYT of course.

[Takket]

70. Pretty telling that the Dutch care more about our freedom

Than the GOP does.