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RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:03 PM Jan 2018

Here's something not too many people know about Robert Mueller

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_
As Director, Robert Mueller began the practice of sending every new agent class @FBI to the Holocaust Museum to understand what happens when police become complicit in authoritarian regimes.




She was retweeting this:


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Here's something not too many people know about Robert Mueller (Original Post) RandomAccess Jan 2018 OP
As if I didnt admire this gentleman enough...thanks, Random Leghorn21 Jan 2018 #1
Marines. Purple Heart California_Republic Jan 2018 #15
Took the words right out of my mouth, Leghorn21 ailsagirl Jan 2018 #16
I just looked up Asha Rangappa to see who she is reporting on this. Just because it's on twitter mucifer Jan 2018 #2
Thank you for the xxqqqzme Jan 2018 #17
I've been following her on Twitter for a while, but The_jackalope Jan 2018 #21
That sure says something about the guy's character... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #3
For a select few old-school types, being an American comes first, with political PatrickforO Jan 2018 #6
Still don't trust him, but, if he shits all over the Traitor-in-Chief, I'll hail him as a true hero! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #8
The more I learn about him, the more I wish he were a Democrat.... marble falls Jan 2018 #4
he is not a politician so its irrelevant AlexSFCA Jan 2018 #5
Mueller's political party has no influence Juliusseizure Jan 2018 #32
I think America's been struggling to find real heroes since Watergate bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #7
The jury's still out on that one. Let's see 1st if he throws the book @tRump 4 his traitorous crimes InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #9
Remember his job is not to throw the book at anyone GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #28
Thanks for the hope Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2018 #10
Its a shame Obama didn't appoint Mueller as FBI head when he had the chance LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #11
What? Check history! BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #12
Ah OK, I admit ignorance on the topic LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #18
There was a lot of national discussion that ensued when this came up BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #23
I admit ignorance on the topic ... I can only plead that I am Canadian Botany Jan 2018 #24
Is it breakfast time already? The_jackalope Jan 2018 #30
What a disgusting plate of food to define one's country's cuisine. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #43
We have a nice little place 1/2 a mile from house in Columbus, OH that .... Botany Jan 2018 #44
Thank you for setting the record Straight, Cha Jan 2018 #35
Hey Cha! BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #36
An amazing man. His family is very lucky. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #13
Maybe that's why Melania went to the Holocaust by herself.....(when Datard went to the Swiss) and onecent Jan 2018 #14
Hopefully she'll learn about the concentration camps that were set up in her own country during WWII SunSeeker Jan 2018 #19
WOW. I didn't know about that camp. It wouldn't be a place I want to go. onecent Jan 2018 #25
I knew the name Mauthausen, but little else. Thank you. The_jackalope Jan 2018 #31
Trump can cite him for a new conflict of interest. Jim__ Jan 2018 #20
Rangappa and Mueller seem to be cut from much the same cloth. The_jackalope Jan 2018 #22
?? RandomAccess Jan 2018 #26
Upper Canuckistan The_jackalope Jan 2018 #29
LOL RandomAccess Jan 2018 #38
Are we SURE this guy is a Republican? Dem4eva Jan 2018 #27
There are some good ones. One of the guys who was killed defending some muslim JI7 Jan 2018 #33
Wow.. thank you, Robert Mueller. Cha Jan 2018 #34
Trump's KKK/Nazi base will not be reassured by this. McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #37
Know wonder he was accepted by both Dems & Pubs for this job. napi21 Jan 2018 #39
That skit was terrific RandomAccess Jan 2018 #40
Mueller is everything that the moron isn't Motley13 Jan 2018 #41
And flamingdem Jan 2018 #42
But the majority of Retrumplican FBI Agents maxrandb Jan 2018 #45

mucifer

(23,542 posts)
2. I just looked up Asha Rangappa to see who she is reporting on this. Just because it's on twitter
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:13 PM
Jan 2018

doesn't mean it's true.

Asha Rangappa is director of admissions and a senior lecturer at the Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, where she teaches National Security Law and related courses. Asha graduated from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University in 1996, and from Yale Law School in 2000. In between, she was a Fulbright Scholar in Bogota, Colombia, where she studied Colombian constitutional reform and its impact on U.S. drug policy in the region. Following law school Asha served as a law clerk for the Honorable Juan R. Torruella, U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in San Juan, Puerto Rico. She then joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation as a Special Agent, specializing in counterintelligence investigations in New York City from 2002 until 2005. Prior to joining Jackson, Asha was Associate Dean at Yale Law School.


http://jackson.yale.edu/person/asha-rangappa/


She is very legit.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
21. I've been following her on Twitter for a while, but
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jan 2018

I'd never read her full CV. I just knew she was cointel with the FBI, which was plenty of cred for me.

Jesus, that's one serious overachiever. No wonder she sounds authoritative on Twitter.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
3. That sure says something about the guy's character...
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:16 PM
Jan 2018

but, let's wait and see what he does about the Traitor-in-Chief... don't forget he's still a Rethuglian!

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
6. For a select few old-school types, being an American comes first, with political
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jan 2018

party affiliation a distant second. I'm getting the idea the Mueller is definitely old school.

He's the kind of guy you might not agree with, but you know he'd die for your right to have, and express, your opinion.

I suspect a lot of the so-called 'deep state' is like that. This is why the Corporate Propaganda Noise Machine (Fox, hate-talk radio, etc.) are so down on them. They know deep down if the shit they are saying is actually exposed to the light of truth it will wilt.

To me, that is cause for optimism - the slow corporate coup we're experiencing now perhaps happened too soon, or maybe to be more precise, the deep pockets funding the radical right Ayn Randian Tea Party types in Congress and the WH are finding that our institutions are a bit more resistant to an oligarchic takeover than they thought.

We see Mueller, but there are hundreds of thousands of federal, state and local government people who put the needs of the people first, and view their work as a sacred trust.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
4. The more I learn about him, the more I wish he were a Democrat....
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:30 PM
Jan 2018

maybe after he nails the Orange Shitgibbon and his basket of deplorables.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
32. Mueller's political party has no influence
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:01 PM
Jan 2018

First, lawyers are trained to focus on facts and the law and advocate for either side.

You fail law school if you can't separate out personal beliefs, because your work priduct is as poor as a scientist who allows personal beliefs influence their scientific conclusions.

Mueller knows his investigation and legal recommendations are going to be closely scrutinized. Any sign of bias is quickly picked up. He's never shown that in the past as far as I know.

If he tries to conceal potentially damaging info., he has lawyers from both parties on the case, and lots of FBI. Someone would leak it or call him on it. But nothing in his record suggests that.

So I don't rely as much on his personal integrity as I do his professional role.

bucolic_frolic

(43,149 posts)
7. I think America's been struggling to find real heroes since Watergate
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:14 PM
Jan 2018

Only a handful of equivalents.

Bob Mueller is cream of the crop

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
28. Remember his job is not to throw the book at anyone
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jan 2018

But to investigate and if appropriate bring charges.

And one charge he will definitely not bring is treason.

Everyone on DU has a whole laundry list of crimes trump is supposedly guilty of and I tend to agree. But while circumstances sure point to crimes, very little actually evidence has been shown. It may actually not exist.

I suspect that no matter what charges he brings, it will not be enough to satisfy many in our community.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
11. Its a shame Obama didn't appoint Mueller as FBI head when he had the chance
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jan 2018

Instead of appointing Bush's old deputy attorney general, Comey, in his perpetual but pointless strategy of trying to reach out to the other side in good faith. But I guess hind sight is 20/20.

BumRushDaShow

(128,920 posts)
12. What? Check history!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:03 PM
Jan 2018

Obama actually got Congress to EXTEND Mueller's term for 2 years after his 10-year term was up (FBI Director term is 10 years after the Hoover era fiasco of almost 40 years, where Hoover had threatened every President and person in power, since the '30s). Remember, Mueller became FBI Director under Shrub right after 9/11 and Obama KEPT HIM IN through almost his entire 1st term until the term expired, when he had to request an extension).

After the extended 2 years were up, Mueller could no longer serve and that's when Comey came in.


Senate Extends Term of F.B.I. Director

By Charlie Savage July 27, 2011 5:57 pm July 27, 2011 5:57 pm

The Senate on Wednesday voted unanimously to extend the tenure of Robert S. Mueller III as director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, allowing him to serve for two more years.

Mr. Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush, had been set to step down on Tuesday because of a 10-year term limit imposed during the post-Watergate era. But President Obama asked Congress to allow Mr. Mueller to stay on at the bureau, arguing that his national security team needed continuity because the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency were getting new leaders.

While Mr. Mueller is widely respected by the Democratic and Republican Parties, some lawmakers expressed reluctance about making an exception to the 10-year term limit. Congress imposed that restriction in 1976 to help ensure some political independence for the bureau and to prevent future directors from amassing the level of power wielded by its longtime director J. Edgar Hoover, who had died several years earlier.

A disagreement also arose about the constitutionality of simply extending Mr. Mueller’s term. Eventually, the White House and Republicans agreed to a two-step process: Congress passed legislation creating a special two-year term lasting until Sept. 4, 2013, and making a one-time exception to the 10-year limit for any person to be director. Mr. Obama then nominated Mr. Mueller for the new term.

Before the confirmation vote, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, said the complex process had established a historical record showing that any future exceptions to the term limit should not be undertaken lightly.

https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/senate-extends-term-of-f-b-i-director/

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
18. Ah OK, I admit ignorance on the topic
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jan 2018

I was unaware. I can only plead that I am Canadian, and not as informed in some areas.

BumRushDaShow

(128,920 posts)
23. There was a lot of national discussion that ensued when this came up
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jan 2018

because of the law that required a term limit for the FBI Director. That is why Congress had to pass legislation to allow Mueller to serve 2 more years, and then be re-nominated and reconfirmed. Much of the argument revolved around keeping the intelligence community "stable" during the on-going wars (and potential terror threats).

As a sidenote - Bin Laden had been killed just a few months earlier in May 2011 (and Mueller was reconfirmed in July 2011 for 2 more years).

So Mueller did end up serving through Obama's entire first term.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
43. What a disgusting plate of food to define one's country's cuisine.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:18 PM
Jan 2018

Poutine.
I've actually only tried it once. One of those times when you are depressed and want to eat something decadent and greasy and bad for you. Something that you can look at and say, "At least I don't feel as bad as that looks".

Where to start. For starters, the gravy, which is invariably fake news gravy, poured over what were crispy french fries now a soggy mess. Then add unripened cheese curds. You know, cheese before it even tastes like cheese....or anything at all. And you can't use your fingers anymore, which for me is part of the ritual of eating FF...picking one or two up and dipping them into ketchup. No you must use a fork for sure, to scoop up mouthfuls of wet 'gravy' soaked potato pieces littered with spongy white lumps of tasteless bits.

Damn you yanks. We love hamburgers, fries (with ketchup), and apple pie too! But sure, take them as your own. We'll hang onto peanut butter, and instant mashed potatoes as our food legacy, fine.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
44. We have a nice little place 1/2 a mile from house in Columbus, OH that ....
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jan 2018

.... makes a nice poutine.

BumRushDaShow

(128,920 posts)
36. Hey Cha!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jan 2018

It's always been interesting that Mueller seemed to be universally respected by both parties although suddenly some in the GOP are having 2nd thoughts.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
14. Maybe that's why Melania went to the Holocaust by herself.....(when Datard went to the Swiss) and
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:14 PM
Jan 2018

wanted to see what was up.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
25. WOW. I didn't know about that camp. It wouldn't be a place I want to go.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

Thanks SunSeeker, I actually thought it was sad when Melenka(sp) went to stuff like this in W. D.C.
and by herself. There was just another person there helping her.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
31. I knew the name Mauthausen, but little else. Thank you.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jan 2018

I was in Europe with my parents for a year in 1967-68. I was 17 years old. We visited Normandy and the Berghof in Berchtesgaden, but we never visited a camp. I still wonder about that omission.

Of course my parents had no Jewish heritage, and it's a bit of a dark topic for three kids aged 13-17. My current mother-in-law survived a year in Auschwitz and Birkenau, so it's far more important to me now.

Never Again.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
22. Rangappa and Mueller seem to be cut from much the same cloth.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jan 2018

You should all be proud they are your fellow country(persons?)

It gives the rest of us out here in the shitholes some faith.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
26. ??
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:17 PM
Jan 2018

Which shithole are you in?

(You realize, I hope, I'm only being sardonic. In MY world, there ARE no shithole countries.)

 

Dem4eva

(41 posts)
27. Are we SURE this guy is a Republican?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jan 2018

Doesn't act like a racist, misogynistic, sexist ass wipe like 90% of them do.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
33. There are some good ones. One of the guys who was killed defending some muslim
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:05 PM
Jan 2018

Women from some bigot in i think Washington state was a Republican.

Ususlly these are not people too involved in partisan politics.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
37. Trump's KKK/Nazi base will not be reassured by this.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jan 2018

Indeed, they will probably cite this as "proof" that his investigation is corrupt. The people who will be impressed by this fact already respect the special prosecutor, making me wonder why this is "news" at DU.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
39. Know wonder he was accepted by both Dems & Pubs for this job.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:00 PM
Jan 2018

You know, even if the conman heard all of the good things Muller has done all of his life, I can just hear him say, Yea, so? Conman doesn't recognize good traits in people. All he recognizes is if someone is wealthy AND LIKES HIM, they're great people. If they're not wealthy, or especially DON'T LIKE HIM, they're no good.

I watched a clip online today of an SNL skit where Will Farrell, portraying GWB said "My ratings are really high now, thanks to Mr. Trump. People actually are missing me!" He's RIGHT!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
40. That skit was terrific
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jan 2018

Ferrell was terrific. I loved every bit of it. I liked the part where he reminded Americans that wished he was still President that he was "really, really bad."

maxrandb

(15,325 posts)
45. But the majority of Retrumplican FBI Agents
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:24 PM
Jan 2018

used the visit as a road map for the America they want to create.

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