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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat odds do you give that Mueller will report/indict/arrest bad actors this week?
Failing that, will Schneiderman fire a shot across LazyFatFuck's bow by arresting . . . . I dunno . . . . dumb Eric or sleazy DonJunior?
I guess what I am asking is will this all just go down the drain when Trump fires Rosenstein, replaces him with Rachel Brand who padlocks the investigation and sidelines of fires outright Mueller?
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Answer is hazy. Ask again in November.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Tomorrow will do just fine!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)that anything will come of the Mueller investigation. He'll issue a report, it'll be up to the Republicans in Congress, who will downplay the report and not do anything. They may even not release the whole report.
DUgosh
(3,056 posts)Just enough to flip witnesses, there will be more indictments.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Who will throw a guilty party in the klink?
That is my concern.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)they would have been sentenced already and serving their sentences.
But they weren't. He asked for their sentencing to be put off. That means they are still being cooperative and useful to his ongoing investigation.
The fact that those two have not been sentenced yet is a strong sign that much more will come out of the investigation.
But the Democrats have an important role to play, too. We must take at least one of the Houses in Congress, so -- if R's try to sweep all this under the rug -- then we can sweep it all out again.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)about the fact that Rachel Brand is a Republican.
Traditional Republicans have not been our problem. And I haven't heard any evidence that she's anything but a traditional Republican (not a tea-partier or a DT supporter.)
Here's her resume. Among other things, it says that she clerked for Justice Kennedy (a swing vote) and that both George W. and Obama appointed her to positions in their administrations.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's all, I believe. The Repubs have to do the dirty work, if anything is to be done about the report's conclusions.
The Repubs have repeatedly shown that they are afraid of Trump (he destroys careers and lives), or are in awe of his power to enrich them (jobs after they leave Congress).
We'll see. It's just hard to watch all this going down.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,692 posts)whether the GJ is ready to issue indictments. He can't just indict people by himself, and nobody gets arrested without an indictment.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Even if Mueller is fired, can all the research that he compiled on this case be passed on to another federal investigator, or even Eric Schneidermann? Or can they get away with having everything sealed and or destroyed?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)And, yes, AG Schneiderman might also pick up the ball.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Even if they get rid of Mueller, someone else can pick up the torch. Thank you!
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Mueller has been coordinating with state AGs, including Schneidermann. I believe the plan is to shift the majority of indictments to the state level where they cant be pardoned by a president. Mueller needs just a few charges for leverage to get cooperating witnesses. The speculation is that many indictments already exist under seal at both the federal and state level, but well have to wait and see.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That gives me a little bit of hope. There has got to be some way to bring him down. I refuse to believe that he is invincible. What does it say about this country that a man as stupid and incompetent as Donald Trump can outwit and out-maneuver some of the best people in the justice department.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)talented lawyers have every base covered. They ain't no rookies. They want to see justice done or they would not have left their cushy lives. These people are the best of the best. WE GOT THIS.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)Federal charges can't be transferred to the state level. State and federal law are completely different creatures. There is zero evidence Mueller is coordinating with anyone.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:15 AM - Edit history (2)
but to prefer the use state level prosecution where possible in order to limit executive interference through pardons of federal crimes.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Robert Mueller and NY attorney general working on Manafort investigation report
Special counsels team and Eric Schneidermans office have reportedly shared evidence in move some see as way to create leverage for Manaforts cooperation
Special counsel Robert Muellers team is working with the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, on its investigation into Donald Trumps former campaign manager Paul Manafort and his financial transactions, Politico reported on Wednesday.
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The cooperation between Mueller and Schneiderman could potentially provide Mueller with additional leverage to get Manafort to cooperate in the larger investigation into Trumps campaign, as Trump does not have pardon power over state crimes, Politico reported.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)Ok, if you want to believe that stuff, no one can stop you.
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)Manafort and gates were only charged with a few of many they could have been charged with. They are both under the specks of Schneiderman on Rico charges. Give mueller the credit he deserves
former9thward
(32,005 posts)"Manafort and gates were only charged with a few of many they could have been charged with". I don't know that and neither do you. This non-sourced internet speculation is just silly.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That may be why he validly qualified his premise with "I believe..." rather than "it is..."
Rational thought is often the first casualty in our attempt to look clever.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)Originally and continuing to the present, Schneiderman can have the records shifted back to the state for prosecution. New York is the state of jurisdiction in money laundering with Russian mafia figures, so Schneiderman can pick it back up at any time. If he does and he gets convictions, the defendants cannot be pardoned.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)The idea that you can throw testimony and evidence up into the air and whoever catches it, state or federal, can prosecute is crazy. It shows a lack of knowledge about both state and federal law and jurisdiction.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)And the Republican moves look increasingly desperate, like least-bad options, such as the memo. Thats yet another count to add to the obstruction pile and Mueller knows much more than we do.
I have not heard anything about excessively partisan actions from Rachel Brand, so I wont get alarmed about that just yet. But it is past time for Mueller to act, from where I sit. (As I said, he knows more.) If he is the hero and patriot I believe him to be, he will act in the best interests of the country to ensure a transition to the next president in a way that does not start a civil war. That means letting the public see certain aspects of the narrative piece by piece, which I believe we are already getting.
Our country hangs by a thread, but I am guardedly optimistic.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)In fact I think we're several weeks away from much more from Mueller. No special reason other than my intuition which sometimes works -- no, it ALWAYS works, I just don't always read it right.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Early in the New Year - senator richard blumenthal 1/8/18
Which hey, could be any day now, if he wasnt speculating.
bluestarone
(16,940 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)One way or the other.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)But jeez...glaciers are melting faster.
Extinctions are going quicker.
I'm visibly aging here...