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Stinky The Clown

(67,799 posts)
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:46 PM Jan 2018

What odds do you give that Mueller will report/indict/arrest bad actors this week?

Failing that, will Schneiderman fire a shot across LazyFatFuck's bow by arresting . . . . I dunno . . . . dumb Eric or sleazy DonJunior?

I guess what I am asking is will this all just go down the drain when Trump fires Rosenstein, replaces him with Rachel Brand who padlocks the investigation and sidelines of fires outright Mueller?

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What odds do you give that Mueller will report/indict/arrest bad actors this week? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 OP
Consults magic eight ball ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #1
Good one! MLAA Jan 2018 #4
It is finally time to drop the hammer on someone! BlueJac Jan 2018 #2
Not this week. Why would you think this week? I'm increasingly pessimistic ... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #3
The Mueller Investigation has already unsealed indictments DUgosh Jan 2018 #6
Who will arrest? pangaia Feb 2018 #27
He's already obtained two convictions. If that's all that was going to happen with those two, pnwmom Jan 2018 #9
I hope so. If Rosenstein is fired, .... who knows what will happen. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #11
Comey, Mueller, and Rosenstein are all Republicans. So I'm not worried pnwmom Jan 2018 #13
I think the report is exactly what the R's are waiting for. Let Mueller do the dirty work. n/t Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #21
That's not Mueller's job. He does a report for the Repubs. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #26
Yes but Mueller's report gives them the reason to do it. n/t Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #28
Depends on what's be referred to a grand jury, and The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #5
I have a stupid question. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #7
As I understand it, all that evidence will still be with the FBI and the cases will remain open. pnwmom Jan 2018 #10
Good to know. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #15
Yes Qutzupalotl Jan 2018 #12
Thanks for your answer. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #14
I am really thinking that Muller and his stable of high powered extremely smart and Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #23
None of your post is true. former9thward Jan 2018 #17
Not transferred charges Qutzupalotl Jan 2018 #19
You are just stated that without a particle of evidence. former9thward Feb 2018 #20
Heres a good particle. Qutzupalotl Feb 2018 #25
A no sourced "report". former9thward Feb 2018 #33
Flynn's plea deal specifically states that he may face state and local charges as well Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #31
I am giving Mueller far more credit than most posters here. former9thward Feb 2018 #34
That may be why he validly qualified his premise with "I believe..." rather than "it is..." LanternWaste Feb 2018 #35
Schneiderman's RICO investigation targeting Trumpy HAS been shifted to Mueller's office. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #30
No evidence of any such investigation. former9thward Feb 2018 #36
Things do seem to be accelerating. Qutzupalotl Jan 2018 #8
THIS week? About zero. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #16
Im going with Clarity2 Jan 2018 #18
don't know BUT odds are GOING UP DAILY bluestarone Feb 2018 #22
Slim to none. And slim just left town GusBob Feb 2018 #24
Naw. The Trump interview has to play out first. Kablooie Feb 2018 #29
I know he's doing his job. MFM008 Feb 2018 #32

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. Not this week. Why would you think this week? I'm increasingly pessimistic ...
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jan 2018

that anything will come of the Mueller investigation. He'll issue a report, it'll be up to the Republicans in Congress, who will downplay the report and not do anything. They may even not release the whole report.

DUgosh

(3,056 posts)
6. The Mueller Investigation has already unsealed indictments
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jan 2018

Just enough to flip witnesses, there will be more indictments.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
9. He's already obtained two convictions. If that's all that was going to happen with those two,
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:30 PM
Jan 2018

they would have been sentenced already and serving their sentences.

But they weren't. He asked for their sentencing to be put off. That means they are still being cooperative and useful to his ongoing investigation.

The fact that those two have not been sentenced yet is a strong sign that much more will come out of the investigation.

But the Democrats have an important role to play, too. We must take at least one of the Houses in Congress, so -- if R's try to sweep all this under the rug -- then we can sweep it all out again.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
13. Comey, Mueller, and Rosenstein are all Republicans. So I'm not worried
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

about the fact that Rachel Brand is a Republican.

Traditional Republicans have not been our problem. And I haven't heard any evidence that she's anything but a traditional Republican (not a tea-partier or a DT supporter.)

Here's her resume. Among other things, it says that she clerked for Justice Kennedy (a swing vote) and that both George W. and Obama appointed her to positions in their administrations.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. That's not Mueller's job. He does a report for the Repubs.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:17 AM
Feb 2018

That's all, I believe. The Repubs have to do the dirty work, if anything is to be done about the report's conclusions.

The Repubs have repeatedly shown that they are afraid of Trump (he destroys careers and lives), or are in awe of his power to enrich them (jobs after they leave Congress).

We'll see. It's just hard to watch all this going down.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,692 posts)
5. Depends on what's be referred to a grand jury, and
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jan 2018

whether the GJ is ready to issue indictments. He can't just indict people by himself, and nobody gets arrested without an indictment.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. I have a stupid question.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:28 PM
Jan 2018

Even if Mueller is fired, can all the research that he compiled on this case be passed on to another federal investigator, or even Eric Schneidermann? Or can they get away with having everything sealed and or destroyed?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
10. As I understand it, all that evidence will still be with the FBI and the cases will remain open.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

And, yes, AG Schneiderman might also pick up the ball.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
12. Yes
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jan 2018

Mueller has been coordinating with state AGs, including Schneidermann. I believe the plan is to shift the majority of indictments to the state level where they can’t be pardoned by a president. Mueller needs just a few charges for leverage to get cooperating witnesses. The speculation is that many indictments already exist under seal at both the federal and state level, but we’ll have to wait and see.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. Thanks for your answer.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jan 2018

That gives me a little bit of hope. There has got to be some way to bring him down. I refuse to believe that he is invincible. What does it say about this country that a man as stupid and incompetent as Donald Trump can outwit and out-maneuver some of the best people in the justice department.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
23. I am really thinking that Muller and his stable of high powered extremely smart and
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:26 AM
Feb 2018

talented lawyers have every base covered. They ain't no rookies. They want to see justice done or they would not have left their cushy lives. These people are the best of the best. WE GOT THIS.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
17. None of your post is true.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jan 2018

Federal charges can't be transferred to the state level. State and federal law are completely different creatures. There is zero evidence Mueller is coordinating with anyone.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
19. Not transferred charges
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:53 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:15 AM - Edit history (2)

but to prefer the use state level prosecution where possible in order to limit executive interference through pardons of federal crimes.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
25. Heres a good particle.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:08 AM
Feb 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/31/robert-mueller-paul-manafort-investigation-eric-schneiderman?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Robert Mueller and NY attorney general working on Manafort investigation – report

Special counsel’s team and Eric Schneiderman’s office have reportedly shared evidence in move some see as way to create leverage for Manafort’s cooperation


Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team is working with the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, on its investigation into Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort and his financial transactions, Politico reported on Wednesday.
...
The cooperation between Mueller and Schneiderman “could potentially provide Mueller with additional leverage to get Manafort to cooperate in the larger investigation into Trump’s campaign, as Trump does not have pardon power over state crimes”, Politico reported.

Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
31. Flynn's plea deal specifically states that he may face state and local charges as well
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:14 AM
Feb 2018

Manafort and gates were only charged with a few of many they could have been charged with. They are both under the specks of Schneiderman on Rico charges. Give mueller the credit he deserves

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
34. I am giving Mueller far more credit than most posters here.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:11 PM
Feb 2018

"Manafort and gates were only charged with a few of many they could have been charged with". I don't know that and neither do you. This non-sourced internet speculation is just silly.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. That may be why he validly qualified his premise with "I believe..." rather than "it is..."
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:13 PM
Feb 2018

That may be why he validly qualified his premise with "I believe..." rather than "it is..."

Rational thought is often the first casualty in our attempt to look clever.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
30. Schneiderman's RICO investigation targeting Trumpy HAS been shifted to Mueller's office.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:22 AM
Feb 2018

Originally and continuing to the present, Schneiderman can have the records shifted back to the state for prosecution. New York is the state of jurisdiction in money laundering with Russian mafia figures, so Schneiderman can pick it back up at any time. If he does and he gets convictions, the defendants cannot be pardoned.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
36. No evidence of any such investigation.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018

The idea that you can throw testimony and evidence up into the air and whoever catches it, state or federal, can prosecute is crazy. It shows a lack of knowledge about both state and federal law and jurisdiction.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
8. Things do seem to be accelerating.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:28 PM
Jan 2018

And the Republican moves look increasingly desperate, like least-bad options, such as the memo. That’s yet another count to add to the obstruction pile — and Mueller knows much more than we do.

I have not heard anything about excessively partisan actions from Rachel Brand, so I won’t get alarmed about that just yet. But it is past time for Mueller to act, from where I sit. (As I said, he knows more.) If he is the hero and patriot I believe him to be, he will act in the best interests of the country to ensure a transition to the next president in a way that does not start a civil war. That means letting the public see certain aspects of the narrative piece by piece, which I believe we are already getting.

Our country hangs by a thread, but I am guardedly optimistic.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
16. THIS week? About zero.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jan 2018

In fact I think we're several weeks away from much more from Mueller. No special reason other than my intuition which sometimes works -- no, it ALWAYS works, I just don't always read it right.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
18. Im going with
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jan 2018

“Early in the New Year” - senator richard blumenthal 1/8/18

Which hey, could be any day now, if he wasnt speculating.

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
32. I know he's doing his job.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:11 AM
Feb 2018

But jeez...glaciers are melting faster.
Extinctions are going quicker.
I'm visibly aging here...

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