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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:21 PM Feb 2018

Nancy Pelosi is incredibly underrated

By Dana Houle February 9 at 8:37 AM

Dana Houle has served as a congressional chief of staff and has managed legislative, congressional and statewide campaigns.

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi spoke on the House floor for eight hours Wednesday, giving the longest speech in that chamber in at least a century. She did so to pressure Speaker Paul D. Ryan to permit a vote on protecting the roughly 700,000 undocumented “dreamers.” Republicans expressed delight that eyes were on the polarizing Pelosi, but her marathon speech served to energize activists while highlighting that House Republicans will not commit to a vote. Despite having little leverage, she scored a tactical success.

It’s not just Republicans who discount Pelosi’s talents. Some Democrats are unsatisfied with her leadership: They accuse her of being unable to deliver on liberal Democrats’ top priorities, hurting the party’s brand and blocking the way for younger members. But Pelosi is one of the most underrated American politicians of the past half-century. Her media and activist critics judge her competence and leadership almost entirely based on her performance in front of a microphone. Pelosi has never tried, as Ryan did, to seduce the press, and what she says in public is occasionally convoluted. Her strength is in what she does away from the microphones.

Growing up in a political family, Pelosi learned to balance competing demands, get people enough of what they needed for them to feel satisfied, to keep track of who crossed you, who helped you, and whom to call on to return favors. And she learned to listen and ensure that people know they are heard. Pelosi draws on this experience while serving both her constituencies: San Franciscans, and the Democratic members of Congress she has led since 2003.

Pelosi is a master vote counter — and more than most 20th-century congressional leaders, she has to be. Majorities are narrower, and to pass partisan legislation, or keep a unified opposition, leaders cannot afford to have many members voting against their caucus. When Democrats have been in the minority, she has kept her representatives in check, even as Ryan and his predecessors have had to pull bills from the House floor because they got the whip count wrong.

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Nancy Pelosi is incredibly underrated (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
And this is exactly why the GOPers hate her. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
Many Democrats have also underrated her. I've seen so many even here, pnwmom Feb 2018 #4
That's because of character assassination drawn by competence. Hortensis Feb 2018 #27
I wondered if she did the catherter trick. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #5
Nancy Pelosi is doing a great job and is underrated Gothmog Feb 2018 #2
I love Nancy and always have. She is a true master politician. However, she is not a very good OregonBlue Feb 2018 #3
Yes She Is! -nt Anon-C Feb 2018 #6
And she just keeps on getting the job done. She persists... (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #7
Plenty of so-called murielm99 Feb 2018 #8
Plenty of so-called progressives Nonhlanhla Feb 2018 #9
Word. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #16
Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2018 #18
... DonViejo Feb 2018 #39
I hear the same about my senator, McCaskill. xmas74 Feb 2018 #28
She is mcar Feb 2018 #10
Yup. The GOP and the loony far leftists make her out to be the evil boogeywoman PeaceNikki Feb 2018 #11
ImWithHer oasis Feb 2018 #12
"Some Democrats are unsatisfied with her leadership..." HenryWallace Feb 2018 #13
You are free to not vote for her. ehrnst Feb 2018 #17
At some point you have to look to performance... HenryWallace Feb 2018 #44
How is that her failing? Can you specify? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #46
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #47
Is there a sale on strawmen on Amazon? ehrnst Feb 2018 #48
Yeah, a 1000 seats lost thanks Cha Feb 2018 #51
Well gee, a man is head of the DCCC - Ben Ray Lujan ehrnst Feb 2018 #53
HenryWallace, WHO on earth told you outsiders should Hortensis Feb 2018 #23
Wowee Zowee Hortensis Me. Feb 2018 #29
Me, the party leadership has a duty to keep control for Hortensis Feb 2018 #30
They're Trying To Turn Nancy Into The New HRC Me. Feb 2018 #31
Yep! "They're" being inimical forces both right and left. Hortensis Feb 2018 #33
Quite Me. Feb 2018 #43
Tremendous ignorance about how our system works, tremendous and it is doing great harm Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #36
:) 600 pages in that bill, and some are willing to Hortensis Feb 2018 #37
What you said, Hortensis Hekate Feb 2018 #42
Your right. HenryWallace Feb 2018 #45
Well, that depends on where you get your information on politics, doesn't it? ehrnst Feb 2018 #49
And she's head of the DCCC, the org charged with down ballot votes ehrnst Feb 2018 #54
Her speakership was incredibly effective as IronLionZion Feb 2018 #14
+1000000 murielm99 Feb 2018 #15
She's effective. She's a woman. She's postmenopausal. She doesn't give a fuck what young white ehrnst Feb 2018 #19
Indeed, a lot of our people don't know how much she's done for us IronLionZion Feb 2018 #20
She doesn't yell, throw spittle or wag her finger ehrnst Feb 2018 #21
... brer cat Feb 2018 #22
... Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #35
Oh, x1000! peggysue2 Feb 2018 #24
I don't think everyone appreciates straight talk, Hortensis Feb 2018 #25
K&R betsuni Feb 2018 #26
K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #32
Nancy Pelosi and LBJ are numbers one and two in the EFFECTIVE LEADER department Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #34
I agree...people talk about Roosevelt and for good reason...but Johnson was amazing and is Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #41
KnR Hekate Feb 2018 #38
She is awesome. I love her. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #40
She is amazing. I hope she runs in 2020 proudp55 Feb 2018 #50
I get to hear her speak tonight Gothmog Feb 2018 #52

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,783 posts)
1. And this is exactly why the GOPers hate her.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:23 PM
Feb 2018

She's really, really good at her job.

And I can't imagine speaking non-stop for eight hours. I'd have had to pee long before that.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
4. Many Democrats have also underrated her. I've seen so many even here,
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:41 PM
Feb 2018

and till recently they were calling for her to retire.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. That's because of character assassination drawn by competence.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:09 PM
Feb 2018

If there were one simple idea I'd like to get across to those right here who've been turned by that, it'd be to take a good look at our enemies, in this case hers, and REALIZE that they believe they have to take us, and her, out in order to win.

Another big one, which applies mostly "at home," is that a big job of the party leadership is to maintain power for the large majority of Democrats against attempts to take over by special interests and fringe factions, including those leaning toward radicalism and extremism. By nature, of course, all those groups do not represent most Democrats.

Antidotes to the Kool-Aid.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
3. I love Nancy and always have. She is a true master politician. However, she is not a very good
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018

speaker. I mean not good at actually giving speeches. She hems and haws a lot and stutters and can be hard to listen to, which is unfortunate. When it comes to getting things done those young whipper snappers in Congress don't have a clue about what she knows and how good she is about getting things done but, I sure wish she could give a great speech. She'd be unstoppable.

murielm99

(30,753 posts)
8. Plenty of so-called
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 03:16 PM
Feb 2018

progressives dislike her. I run into them IRL. I posted about that very thing a couple of days ago.

We need to stop the divisiveness and support our leaders. Supporting them is especially important now, if we want our democracy to survive.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
28. I hear the same about my senator, McCaskill.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:14 PM
Feb 2018

She's doing what she can in a red state. When she's not in DC she's in Missouri doing town halls, open to the public.

She's not liberal enough for many here but she's as liberal as we can get and still be elected in Missouri. I'll take a person who stays with the party line 85% compared to a Republican who supports us at 12%.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
11. Yup. The GOP and the loony far leftists make her out to be the evil boogeywoman
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 03:25 PM
Feb 2018

They just always need some women to hate on.

She's fucking badass.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. You are free to not vote for her.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 05:37 PM
Feb 2018

Others on the left are glad she's at the helm, selected by her Democratic colleagues. I think they know what they're doing when they select the leader. After all, they know who is most capable, firsthand.

A progressive who gets things done - even if she is an older woman - is a valuable asset.

It's one reason she's such a target, and unfortunately, not just from the Right.

A lot of armchair quarterbacks out there...

And here.


 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
44. At some point you have to look to performance...
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:30 PM
Feb 2018

The loss of 1,000 seats down-ticket and the Party at a century long low!

You may want to hang-in-there, but the rest of us out here in the trenches are getting murdered!

Response to ehrnst (Reply #46)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Is there a sale on strawmen on Amazon?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:39 PM
Feb 2018

You seem very uninformed about gerrymandering, the role of the minority leader, and the definition of Democrat, as defined by Democratic Underground.

Your kneejerk defense of Russia and Stein when they haven't been mentioned is cute.


Enjoy your time here. Pizza delivery is quick.

Cha

(297,435 posts)
51. Yeah, a 1000 seats lost thanks
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:03 PM
Feb 2018

to hate media and those who sit home, not voting, to teach a lesson. Only thinking of them damn selves.

Not caring about the Planet or the Supreme Court.

Tell it like it is.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
53. Well gee, a man is head of the DCCC - Ben Ray Lujan
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:24 PM
Feb 2018

But clearly Nancy is to blame when his job isn't being done to everyone's liking, because, well you know...

D-TRIPLE-C
the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
the official campaign arm of the Democrats in the House of Representatives
the only political committee in the country whose principal mission is to support Democratic House candidates every step of the way to victory


https://dccc.org/about/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. HenryWallace, WHO on earth told you outsiders should
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

consider their preferences relevant? Our educational system has faults, but this misunderstanding can't be blamed on your schooling.

Here's the reality whoever you're listening to isn't telling you: Our legislators CHOOSE AMONG THEMSELVES someone to maximize their power based on what THEY know about THEIR colleagues. Nancy's been the choice of a large majority for years now. Someday when someone else is, we'll find out afterwards.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Me, the party leadership has a duty to keep control for
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:27 PM
Feb 2018

the large center and not let incompetents, special interests, and fringe factions take over. So of course some who don't support the majority wishes of Democrats aren't going to like their choices. That doesn't need explaining.

Unfortunately, this needs explaining: Our enemies like Republicans and Russia, don't like their choices either. Our leaders are too competent for our enemies' good.

So what I'm speaking to is the astonishing notion that's been implanted by these hostile forces that we should somehow be choosing their leaders for our caucuses. We can't, so the clear purpose is to undermine our confidence in the choices of the only ones competent to make them.

Big no to going the way of the trumpsters.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. They're Trying To Turn Nancy Into The New HRC
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:32 PM
Feb 2018

As far as those who don't agree with her, theirs is a self-serving effort and included are Tim Ryan, Kathleen Rice and Crowder who thinks to be the next leader if Nancy isn't around.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Yep! "They're" being inimical forces both right and left.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:45 PM
Feb 2018

Not much of a leap for most, of course. If any.

I'd just like less implacably opposed people to realize that being able to hold the ground for the vast majority of Democrats against attacks from both sides is NOT weakness and lack of principle. Very much to the contrary.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
36. Tremendous ignorance about how our system works, tremendous and it is doing great harm
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:51 PM
Feb 2018

Mainly not understanding that if your choice is a democrat who is Satan, or a republican who is Jesus, you do still have to vote for the democrat.

Why? Math

Thanks for your posts, by the way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. :) 600 pages in that bill, and some are willing to
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 08:04 PM
Feb 2018

let others die on their stand for DACA alone.

600 pages leaves several hundreds of other little issues our party had to try to deal with from its minority position.

Shouldn't they be asking why whoever their leader is didn't mention the little matter of funding community medical clinics so rural people would have a place to go when sick? That's a win for us, among others. Rural clinics are funded.

to us.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
45. Your right.
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

She is an awesome fundraiser, she really knows how to sake the money loose from her rich San Franciscan constituents.

And isn't that really what leadership in today's politics is all about?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. Well, that depends on where you get your information on politics, doesn't it?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:06 PM
Feb 2018
The indictment focuses primarily on propaganda efforts of one Russian group in particular: the Internet Research Agency. The group’s operations — social media posts, online ads, and rallies in the US — were “primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” the indictment claims.


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/16/17020776/russian-indictments-robert-mueller

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
54. And she's head of the DCCC, the org charged with down ballot votes
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:26 PM
Feb 2018

They just misspelled her name B-e-n R-a-y L-u-j-a-n, apparently.

https://dccc.org/about/

IronLionZion

(45,474 posts)
14. Her speakership was incredibly effective as
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 03:30 PM
Feb 2018

she got lots of big important liberal initiatives through unprecedented GOP obstruction: ACA, Dodd-Frank, Recovery act, 2 female Supreme Court justices, PAYGO, lobbying reform, increased port security against terrorism, raised federal minimum wage, ended idiotic large subsidies for oil companies, and so much more.

She blocked a GOP initiative to privatize parts of Social Security, and was influential in reducing troops in Iraq.

Without question, Pelosi is the leader of our party. I'd like to see her as speaker again in time to remove Trump and Pence from office. President Pelosi will really make America great again.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. She's effective. She's a woman. She's postmenopausal. She doesn't give a fuck what young white
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:24 PM
Feb 2018

straight men think.

You can see right on this thread how "untrustworthy" and "unsatisfactory" that makes her among right wing and many left wing men...




IronLionZion

(45,474 posts)
20. Indeed, a lot of our people don't know how much she's done for us
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:27 PM
Feb 2018

because she doesn't make a big show of it in front of the media like some other politicians

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. She doesn't yell, throw spittle or wag her finger
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:29 PM
Feb 2018

and she clearly spends some money on having her hair styled....



peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
24. Oh, x1000!
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:50 PM
Feb 2018

Most effective, skilled vote wrangler in decades and yes, she has no more f*cks to give to those who hoot and holler for her resignation.

One of these days, Pelosi will retire. Maybe then, she'll get her due. Until then, she gets things done and is working every day to ensure a successful House win in 9 short months. Nothing short of a rebirth for the Republic.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. I don't think everyone appreciates straight talk,
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:53 PM
Feb 2018

straight or not. Regardless, I certainly do. Well stated, Ehrnst.

Stinky The Clown

(67,816 posts)
34. Nancy Pelosi and LBJ are numbers one and two in the EFFECTIVE LEADER department
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:47 PM
Feb 2018

You figure out if she's one or two.

They are both VERY high on my list of favorites. They both have had flaws and shortcomings, but both got more done for Democrats, in aggregate, than anyone else you can think of. Both were brilliant at keeping their caucuses in line and in counting votes

My biggest beef with Pelosi is not going after Bushco when she had the majority.

My beef with LBJ was Viet Nam.

To be sure, both are colossal "shortcomings" but when balanced against their accomplishments . . . . well, as I said, you have to figure it out for yourself and see if you agree.






For the record, I served when LBJ was my commander in chief and in spite of that hold him still in very high regard.

Demsrule86

(68,620 posts)
41. I agree...people talk about Roosevelt and for good reason...but Johnson was amazing and is
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:13 PM
Feb 2018

underrated. He got Medicare and Medicaid...and the civil rights bill through.

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