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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBroke down and went to the ER this morning.
Influenza type A.
It's a horror show. Never been so sick. Never. I've had the flu before, but this strain is a psycho flu. Seriously, don't get it.
They offered Tamiflu, but I decided against it after weighing risks and benefits. That means about 4 more days of hugging myself when I cough because my ribs are so sore. 4 more days of violent dry heaves from this horribly dry cough.
This flu can fuck right off.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)What did they give you to fight it?
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)They offered Tamiflu, but there is about a 5% risk of developing pancreatitis while using that. That 1/20 risk is a little too high for me, since I have been hospitalized with pancreatitis in the past.
They would not give me a cough medicine because they want you to cough to help lessen the chance of developing pneumonia.
So basically, it's a gram of Tylenol every 6 hours to fight the fever. Not much else they can do, unfortunately.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Oh and Eucalyptus all natural boil in a teapot and drink just use one leaf for one cup or you can get some thyme and licorice, will help bring up mucous from your chest
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)I take Tumeric daily, and can put my hands on the honey and lemon. I'll pick up some Eucalyptus, or will have someone get it for me.
Cha
(297,437 posts)flush it out!
FarPoint
(12,417 posts)Amazing drug...Worked in less than 24 hours...m
phylny
(8,383 posts)I felt better after two days - unbelievably so.
kst
(69 posts)So basically, it's a gram of Tylenol every 6 hours to fight the fever. Not much else they can do, unfortunately.
WebMD says: "Unless otherwise directed by your care provider, the usual maximum recommended dose is 3 grams in 24 hours."
Obviously you've been "otherwise directed", but please be careful.
missingm
(56 posts)I have heard of this a few times, usually with a sad ending. Of course those are the only stories you will hear.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)1) A 5%, or 1/20 chance of pancreatitis.
2) Hallucinations
Also, it should ideally be taken in the first 48 hours of developing symptoms. I'm on my 3rd day, so I decided against it.
missingm
(56 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)What you need:
8 oz. boiling water
Juice of 1 lemon
1 shot of brandy
1-2 TBS honey
Mix the above together and swallow. Repeat as needed.
It will help to get rid of that nasty cough and you'll hopefully get some rest!
Hope you feel better very soon!
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)for the brandy, and Splenda for the honey, though I know honey has its own benefits.
Keeps me healthy, in general.
japple
(9,834 posts)ice cubes and splash of branch water to my 4 Roses!
aggiesal
(8,921 posts)Just keep drinking the brandy and after a while you won't care that you have the flu!
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)and it will silence that cough.
The juice of an entire lemon is seriously part of this concoction. My old Irish Dad swore by it ...
erronis
(15,314 posts)To deal with the effects of of the prior days....
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)or not?
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)Tamiflu helps block the mature virions from leaving infected cells. This drastically reduces how many new cells get infected.
I worked on flu virus in graduate school.
If you do prefer a more natural approach get some elderberry tea. The lectins in elderberry also block the receptor the flu virus uses. You want as pure elderberry as you can find. Whole foods, earthfare or other health food store may have it.
We used it in the lab to block cells before we infected them. It's a natural medicine with a scientific basis for how it works.
it tastes horrible though. horrible.
I had the flu and used tamiflu and eldeberry tea both to recover. Both with help shorten your recovery.
Get to feeling better soon.
renate
(13,776 posts)I won't name the company because I'm not sure whether we're allowed to do that here, but they're out of stock anyway.
It doesn't taste great (not bad) alone but in water with a little sweetener it's fine.
Definitely recommend. Thanks so much for the explanation!!! How cool that you worked on the flu virus in grad school!
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)Yup, I'm a total nerd. My graduate work is in infectious disease now in law school getting my JD so I can go into patent law.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)Over 48 hours, and it may not be that helpful. Also, the severe risks were a little too high for me to consider taking it if it may not be beneficial.
Phoenix61
(17,009 posts)You're right. This flu is nothing to be messed with. Take care of yourself.
LenaBaby61
(6,976 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)It will clear up in a day or two if you go that route.
genxlib
(5,528 posts)It will keep people far enough away from you to keep from spreading it.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Cha
(297,437 posts)of a cold.. that and turmeric root. Lots of coconut water and apples.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)The last time I was sick with the flu was 1996.
I've trusted alternative medicine for decades now. And btw I never have gotten a flu shot either.
Cha
(297,437 posts)page. Good on you! Natural ways for healing. They're trusted 'cause they keep working.
Never had a flu shot either and haven't been really sick since the '70s when I was partying way too hard.
Lucky's thread made me think of that.. I had what they called walking pneumonia and the doc finally gave me Percocet.. that cleared the horrible coughing right up.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)Hope you are right that the nasty cough will be gone in 4 days. What was your reason for declining Tamiflu?
Please take care and get well soon.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)who has been hospitalized with it before.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I am justnow feeling better, after two rounds of antibiotics, two bottles of Mucinex, prednisone and days of lying in bed, not eating. I finally had to get up, get in the shower and put on warm clean clothes. That did make me feel a bit better. Hot soup was good, too...
by all means, rest and don't get depressed.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The two other people went to the doctor almost right away. I rarely go to the doctor but on day three was gasping for air. I have never had my lungs impacted by anything like that. The first person in the house to get it is still nursing a cough a month later. Went to the doctor last week just to check on it. Doctor gave the all clear and simply said it was that nasty.
It's the first time I have had difficulty breathing from an illness for days.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a milder strain so he got better faster.
unblock
(52,277 posts)LisaM
(27,817 posts)He reported what you did, the relentless and incessant coughing until it hurt. He was absolutely miserable, and thankfully he recovered. I was worried about him.
bluestarone
(17,002 posts)Also heard the biggest problem is with breathing!! If you have trouble breathing get it checked out right away!! Drink Lot's of fluids for sure!!
genxlib
(5,528 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)flu can make your skin and even eyelashes hurt. take care and here's hoping that you turn the corner very soon.
damn you, flu bug!
oasis
(49,395 posts)Leith
(7,813 posts)We all hope you feel better soon.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Sleep, and whatever else they recommend.
Lochloosa
(16,067 posts)but that was over in an hour.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)If I ever get this again, I would consider taking it if I can catch the symptoms within 48 hours.
Lochloosa
(16,067 posts)I just didn't need to take them anymore. I'll save those for a rainy day.
malaise
(269,103 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)I will though, if the symptoms hang on. Thank you.
irisblue
(33,011 posts)I did that when I had cartilage damage after a patient in the ER punched me. It did help.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)Kind of hard to explain, but I have this "thing" in my garage that is the right shape to get a good hug on it, and it helps. I'll see if I have an ace bandage. I'm sorry you got punched!
irisblue
(33,011 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I thought I had pulled my rib muscles, but I went to our health center at work and they said that because it didn't hurt to the touch, just when I coughed or breathed deeply it was probably some kind of pleurisy type of infection in my lungs. It was a sharp pain in my upper right lung and it was terribly painful. I took Mucinex (not DM) which helped to thin the mucus and a decongestant at night to dry up my head so it wouldn't drip into my lungs. I also used Vicks VaporRub on my chest and a hot wet compress which seemed to help loosen things up and helped with the pain. I hope you feel better soon - I know how awful you must be feeling right now. Take care!
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)Try 2 times a day mixing 1 tablespoon of honey with a few teaspoons of cinnamon and mix together and take it all at once. I do this when I am sick and it really helps.
Freddie
(9,269 posts)I'm generally pretty healthy but it's horrible! Was sick in bed 1 week and felt crappy and weak for 2 more. Cough was the worst, that didn't go away for 4 weeks. I've heard people are getting pneumonia from staying in bed as the crap in your lungs can settle in, best to get up at least a little even though that's the last thing you want to do. You WILL get better but this thing really hangs on.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I know quite a few people who got it despite taking the shot BUT it only lasted about three or four days for them.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I hear the cough longers a long time
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)canetoad
(17,175 posts)This was written by a doctor!
rainin
(3,011 posts)PJMcK
(22,038 posts)For such humor, you get a heart, canetoad!
canetoad
(17,175 posts)peggysue2
(10,836 posts)Pretty good. Of course if you feel like Lucky Charm it's hard to laugh.
Funny though and for anyone who has had the flu, too true.
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)JDC
(10,130 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)This flu season is no joke. I hope you are on the mend very soon! 💜
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)This is a nasty big for sure. Knock on wood. Hope you feel better soon.
StarryNite
(9,456 posts)It sounds dreadful! Just read the possible side effects of Tamiflu, don't blame you a bit for not taking it. Get well quick!
samnsara
(17,625 posts)....hope you're feeling better soon.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,018 posts)right or wrong it doesn't hurt to drink orange juice ( except for the teeth damage)
Chakaconcarne
(2,458 posts)That actually has better efficacy than the flu shot most years.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)Warm to just under the point of sweating or at the point where you feel sweat occasionally but it evaporates almost immediately. Lots of layers of clothing. Top layer with zipper so you can regulate easily. Keep feet warm and wear a hat even indoors.
Drink lots of fluids to help flush out the virus and avoid drying out with the warmth. Eat as much as you can to fuel the metabolic fires (may be difficult based on what I see you wrote).
Follow medical advice if it contradicts anything I wrote.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)a. did you have the flu shot?
b. why no Tamiflu? what is the down side?
Oh, and feel better
Cha
(297,437 posts)Hang there
rurallib
(62,432 posts)But take some time off if you must.
Seriously take good care we need the likes of you around here.
Laffy Kat
(16,385 posts)Rest, rest, rest. Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. Positive, healing vibes out to you.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)It took me 3 weeks to get over it, I almost ended up in the hospital over the darn stuff. It is brutal this year, and I got my annual flu shot too.
Be kind to yourself..
rustysgurl
(1,040 posts)elderberry extract. You can get it at WalMart, drugstores, vitamin stores, etc. People around here are swearing by it for shortening the flu's duration. You can get it in liquid or tablets that disolve on your tongue.
I hope you feel better soon!
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)Rare that I cluck on one of your posts and don't laugh!
DISSAPPOINTED!!!!
now get better!
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)PJMcK
(22,038 posts)If you didn't have to shovel the driveway twice, you'd probably just have a cold.
(wink)
Take care and feel better.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)This flu season is awful.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)I had the same strain, H3N2, many years ago, and I thought I'd have to get better in order to die. I hope you feel better soon (it was about 3 days of misery for me, but I was only 19). Hang in there!
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)I feel okay, but I made a quick trip to the grocery store today and almost passed out in the checkout line. At the end of the trip, I felt like I had run a marathon while smoking three packs of cigarettes. I could barely unload two bags of groceries.
Take care of yourself, even if you think you are over it.
House of Roberts
(5,179 posts)Seriously, hope you feel better. I come in contact with relatively few people, so I hope I don't get this year's strain.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)These are primarily from my personal experience with the common cold, but some if not all should also help with this thing.
Zinc helps prevent viruses from replicating. Vitamin C in large quantities -- 500 mg every few hours -- can be very effective.
Echinacea - another specific for infections of all kinds. I don't personally know that it actually acts directly on colds and flu pathogens, but in my experience, it does boost the immune system, a bit like a kick in the butt. You can get Echinacea and Goldenseal together (but this is NOT for anyone with high blood pressure), and that's even more powerful. Or goldenseal alone.
NOW Foods makes an elderberry and zinc lozenge that has helped me stop colds in their tracks -- Elderberry is a specific for rhinovirus (specific means it's the first thing you turn to). I've sucked down up 5 to 8 in a day with great results.
You can also get other elderberry products -- syrup, capsules, tincture. I don't know how effective it is against this particular flu but it is BRILLIANT against rhinovirus.
There's an essential oil blend called Thieves by Young Living Oil which is very effective against a wide range of stuff. You can get it on Amazon. It may seem expensive, but hose tiny 5ml bottles last for several years. If I'm coming down with something I apply several drops to the bottom of my feet up to 4x in a day for as long as necessary -- but usually only need up to 2 days to cure whatever it is. It has 5 different essential oils known to be effective against virus, bacteria, etc. Wonderful EO blend. I wouldn't want to be without it.
Speaking of essential oils, Eucalyptus is a specific for lung congestion, and also has antibiotic properties. Spread it on your chest (in a bit of olive or other food oil), or use Vicks VapoRub. Dab a bit under your nose to help with sinus. Diffuse it in your vaporizer or an EO diffuser for killing germs and keeping the pipes open.
For muscle pain, try Arnica gel by Boiron. This is another product I'd never be without. It's fabulous for preventing bruises and pain after bumping yourself, and it works on a lot of other pain as well, but not all. I think it'd help with this kind of muscle pain but I've not had the occasion to try it myself, so don't know. However, it's worth having on hand for neck cricks and tension, those bruises and bumps, etc., so it wouldn't be a waste of money. Fabulous product. Also available from Amazon as well as your local healthfood store.
There are many, many, many wonderful herbs that work against viruses like rhinovirus -- catnip, ginger, chamomile, garlic (as mentioned), lemon and honey -- esp. manuka honey, on and on. The secret is to LOAD UP, not just take one dose.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,868 posts)The up side of having actually come down with this, is that now you should be amazingly resistant to future strains.
Type A is by far the worst of the three types. That's what all of the major epidemics and pandemics have been, including the infamous 1918 flu, the 1957 Asian Flu, and the 1968 Hong Kong flu. It may comfort you slightly to know that back in 1918, the main reason older people rarely got that flu was that they'd been through a type A epidemic some 50 years earlier and so were largely immune.
Do get plenty of rest, lots of fluids. Be as self-indulgent as possible.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)As humans, we're really bad at gauging how sick we are, and may procrastinate getting help, until it's too late, if on our own.
DUgosh
(3,057 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)Has star anise, which has antiviral properties.
tavernier
(12,394 posts)Sending you chicken soup wishes
And be sure to sprinkle a little cinnamon in it. Its very healthy and youll be surprised how well it goes with chicken soup.
Different Drummer
(7,626 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)It's been rough
CaptainTruth
(6,598 posts)And fluids, stay hydrated, that's what helps me.
Hope you feel better soon!!!
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)That is awful. I ended up getting the flu shot 3 weeks ago because so many people were dying and Im high risk. It was not as bad a reaction this time and he did the shot in the back of my arm so it didnt hurt as much. And affect my mobility etc. I had to take aleve for 7 days to help my reaction.
I had flu B 3-4 years ago in May after getting the shot in October and it was awful. 102 fever and the horrible cough too. They did an x ray to make sure I didnt have Pneumonia or a fracture. It was too late for tamiflu. I took aleve and an expectorant and I had started an antibiotic at home which the doc said was good because it reduced my inflammatory reaction. I was very exhausted for 3 months after. I drank lots of herbal teas, broth etc. and I took AF cold and flu. Sugar free herbal menthol drops helped also.
Dem_in_Nebr.
(301 posts)but I did it any way. Just want you to know you're being thought of.
Hang in there!
peggysue2
(10,836 posts)The flu is miserable and this year's strain sounds particularly so. You've received some really good remedies, including my grandmother's tonic: hot toddy, heavy on the lemon and honey.
Good news? Next week should be better.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Night after a glass broke in my hand. I needed a couple of stitches but refused to go to the ER. I have insurance but my hospital bills separately for the visit, the doctor bills through their own practice separate from the hospital and the lab is also independently ran and bills separately. It's either the doctor or the lab who refuses Cigna so I chose to bleed it out at home.
I won't go to the ER unless I'm on deaths door.
erronis
(15,314 posts)I have never had such a reaction to an in-patient test (including some pretty violent probings) as that q-tip going way/way up places that I didn't even know that I had.
The very nice nurse described the procedure several times for me, told me about the discomfort level, asked if I was OK with it.
Well, shit. I'm a guy - I can take almost anything (except hang-nails.)
When that very thin q-tip went there I couldn't control my reactions. Of course I didn't have any choice but forget waterboarding (kidding.) The nurse later said that she had tried it last year and involuntarily went into the fetal position.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)be prepared for several weeks of exhaustion after the cough <starts to> resolve.
orangecrush
(19,586 posts)a few years back, cough lasted over a month.
A good investment was a little steam maker with a mask that attaches that covers your mouth and nose.
The steam feels really good on a sore throat and lungs, and helps you breathe easier.
Got mine at Walmart for less than 20 bucks.
Hope you recover quickly!
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Long and short of it.
cstanleytech
(26,306 posts)DKA as I was so sick I missed some of my insulin shots.
Then to top it off I know have something wrong with my gallbladder or pancreas now with pain on right side and yellow stools though the tests have not shown any problems with gallstones so seeing a specialist sometime in the next few weeks.
Edit: Forgot to add, good choice on the Tamiflu, wish I had not taken it as I had major earache from it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,229 posts)and the post would get into how you had wandered into Freeper land!
OMG I hope you get better. It's bad enough that a cold can kick your ass (I had one that went over 14 days) but the flu....
PLEASE get better!
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)since Christmas. Went to my dr yesterday as I thought I had strep. Nope, just the crud.....she did give me an antibiotic as she thought sometime between Christmas and now I must have been bacterial. Started the antibiotic yesterday and actually felt worse.
This crap is demonic! Hope you feel better LuckyCharms!
ancianita
(36,126 posts)recommended this to me, among other things in her vegan regimen.
She says she takes it and is flu free.
I have to say that I'm going to give it a try. Given all the info I've read, I'm more than optimistic.
Of course, you shouldn't take my word for it, but I'll offer one comment below this product:
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I read so many reviews that bombastically state opinions as facts.
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It took me three weeks to recover. At my worst point (pains shooting through my lungs such that I thought I was having a heart attack), I nevertheless decided not to "atom bomb" my GI tract with an antibiotic. Home remedies started to take effect. On my own I found that hot water, sliced lemon wedge and a bit of honey balanced my overall body Ph and helped my immune system beat the bug.
I also recommend that you read Elizabeth Rosenthal's An American Sickness, so that you get an idea about the shifts in health care now going on.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I've had sinus infections that turned into bronchitis and suffered with sore ribs too. It's hurts like hell.
I got sick last winter and hubby was losing sleep over my coughing. He got me some warm honey water and bam, I slept good that night and every night after that.
I hope you recover soon. Gentle cyber hugs.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I perhaps have the flu now anyway. Not that bad, except it seems to be lingering.
BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)since it is so bad in San Diego. I was a teacher who had a weakened immune system and got sick ALL THE TIME. I had Mono for 6 months with jaundice and didn't miss a day of work since they couldn't diagnose it...my weight dropped to 84 pounds. I had bronchitis all the time and once it turned into walking pneumonia and they said I could go to work after 3 days. I had my dad take me to the hospital and I collapsed in the hop ital parking lot since I internally lost 1/3 of my blood and ended up getting transfusions and 30 pounds of IV fluid pumped into me in 3 days. I was so water logged I couldn't fit my feet into shoes for 3 weeks.
The doctors on the local news said to skip the $150 IV fluid drips as a prevention (people are afraid to miss work if they get sick and will lose income). He said drink a TON of plain old water as well as Gatorade or something with electrolytes. I think that is the most important thing to do since my experience in the hospital showed how important water is.