Well, those Congressional GOPrs who have gotten NRA campaign donations...

[MrScorpio]

Can afford to offer plenty more thoughts and prayers to the victims of another unnecessary gun tragedy, I’m sure.

It’s not like they have jobs where they could pass laws or something about this nonsense, right?

The only reason shit like this continues to happen is that we’ve collectively decided that the price of “freedom” is gun violence. Lots and lots of gun violence. Even that protection FROM gun violence requires the handy ability to inflict even more gun violence.

It’s nothing more than a nasty vicious circle.

As reasoned and influenced through the handy application of millions of gun manufacturer dollars and RWNJ propaganda, of course.

America is being held hostage to the almighty gun right now. It’s our national shame.

I’m not expecting anything to come out of this other than the same impotence and deflection that always happens when people are slaughtered by another gun nut.

At this point, the 2nd Amendment is nothing more than a national murder/suicide pact.

[MrScorpio]

2. It's pointless to speculate about his background at this point

I'd just like to know how he was able to get his hands on the guns and ammo that he used.

[ResIpsa]

3. maybe...

maybe not.
He lives in Miami.....guns and ammo are the least weakest link in the "why'd he do it?' discussions.
I wasn't aware speculating wasn't allowed.
NRA=National 'Russian' Association. Sowing discord and chaos is their intent at this point isn't it?

[MrScorpio]

4. Speculate all you want

I'd rather wait to find out about his actual background in due time.

[ResIpsa]

7. ty

I guess my guess, is as good as any opinions on CNN, fox, MSNBC. I surmise it gives us all a modicum of control when we come to our own conclusions as opposed to being 'fed' a conclusion by folks on tv who are just talking to fill air time.
Either way, A good holiday to you sir.

[MrScorpio]

9. Check this out:

'"He always had his hair short. He always wore like really patriotic shirts that seemed really extreme, like hating on the Islamic religion. For example, he would say things such as like, he would degrade islamic people as terrorists and bombers. I've seen him wear a Trump hat. I don't know if he ever said anything about women. He didn't have any friends," he said.'

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school?ref=home

Yep, sounds like a dreamer to me.

[ResIpsa]

11. I see...

So you quoted someone. OK. I don't know the answer. I didn't claim to. But surely the threats to the populace everyday doesn't help. Too bad the kid liked dt. Probably majorly disappointed.
Just to be clear...you don't have first hand knowledge yourself. We're just all going by what we have experienced. I'm not crapping out Dreamers. I support them. Just saying it was a possibility. By tomorrow the media will have filled in ALLLL our questions and we can stumble on to the next awful shooting. Any way you slice it, it's ugly.

[MrScorpio]

15. No, all you're doing is implicating all Dreamers because the shooter has Latino surname

And seeing how this happened in Florida, of all gawdamned places, it really takes a lot of nerve to do something like that.

Generations of Floridians have had Latino surnames for too long to even speculate about such a thing.

But, you want to own it. So have at it.

[ResIpsa]

18. No sir

It's just as probable bc it's in Miami. You don't know what I'm thinking. You assuming you do just turns this into a fight between us. If you want to act like god...go ahead, but, you're wrong. I'm not doing any of that. Sorry to disappoint you and your reasoning acumen.

[MrScorpio]

21. So, you're saying that his Latino surname had no bearing in your speculation of being a dreamer?

Are you sure that you want to go with that?

[ResIpsa]

23. I guess so

yes. I'm going with everything I said. You's guys hammering me didn't change a honest belief of what it could have been based on what I know.

[mr_lebowski]

28. Cruz appears to be the name of his FOSTER PARENTS ...

So ...

[ResIpsa]

31. So nothing

I didn't make the claim to be ugly to Dreamers. I said maybe the kid was a dreamer. You guys can gang up all the live long day, it's not changing the essence of what I thought. I've supported the Democratic ticket my whole life...but...I can see by how posting in this chat room can make people feel differently. I always kinda appreciated Liberal understandings and ability to have open thoughts. I was clear I wasn't being racist. You just want to pile on.

[George II]

44. You didn't say "maybe", you said "betcha", big difference. BTW, this isn't a "chat room".

[ResIpsa]

32. P.S....

Is that you Noam Chomsky? (your avatar.)

[ResIpsa]

22. Sir

I cut the cable in 2011. You'll forgive a chap please for not having up to the minute info. As of about 7pm I knew that 17 people died. I'm not a troll. I realize it's a knee jerk reaction these days on comment threads. I mean't no disrespect to you or anyone. I'm picking up my news as it comes out here. I support Dreamers and I was only positing a possible theory. No kid should have a gun pointed at them at school by a classmate or a swat team. It's getting so commonplace that it's fertile loam for editorialization. If you disagree...review news reporting this whole afternoon. Comes out in dribs and drabs.

[MrScorpio]

24. You can always retract that bet of yours that he's a Dreamer

We're only going down that road because you took us there.

[ResIpsa]

27. Naw..

I haven't been proven wrong. I usually don't bend down to assholes. Just for future reference. I meant no disrespect to Dreamers. Sorry you can't figure that out. Not here to grovel. You posted the thread. I commented on it. Now you want to boot jack all the responses if it doesn't suit you. I made a good faith guess on what I knew. None of us know for sure yet. Lets see what happens. I never said...THE KIDS A DREAMER..I said MAYBE the kid was a dreamer. Don't put words in my mouth. I wasn't being awful then, and I'm not taking something back YOU think I meant.

[MrScorpio]

30. You know that it's customary to stop digging whenever you find yourself in too deep a hole

Just a suggestion.

[ResIpsa]

33. Sure do

. The juries out yet as to all the facts. In two weeks...if I'm wrong...I'll revisit this thread. I can have an opinion.

[MrScorpio]

35. Sure, you will.

Can't wait.

[MrScorpio]

38. You're a funny guy

That made me laugh.

If you think I was being a dick today, you haven't seen my best work.

Stick around long enough and I'll really impress ya'!

[ResIpsa]

40. Impress me.

[MrScorpio]

41. Wow. So, you're going with de-masculation

Can't say that it's entirely original. But, that's where you're going.

[ResIpsa]

42. I tried politely to ask you to stop

You kept on with the macho verve, thought I'd try humor. Heh heh. I was pretty clear about what I meant. If you continue it's on you. You offered the continuance and the challenge as if I was just going round and round bc I love a stupid thread. I've asked you to lay off me several times. I get the feeling you are the type that has to "win" an argument. That's not going to happen. I wasn't being awful. Move on sailor.

[MrScorpio]

43. That's not how any of this works.

Especially with me.

And in case you haven't noticed it, no one else has your back on your Dreamer speculation.

But if you want to still play, I'm all to willing to oblige you.

[George II]

45. He was born in the United States, he was adopted by the Cruz couple when he was a baby....

....he's not Hispanic, he's Caucasian.

"Betcha he's a Dreamer" is 100% off the mark. Get your facts straight before you start making racial innuendos.

[Phoenix61]

5. Why on earth would you post that?

Dreamers have more than enough problems without this kind of shit. And oh, by the way, a teacher can't expel a student.

[ResIpsa]

8. Why the guff?

Sounds like you know everything. Enlighten us. Good grief. I'm not piling on Dreamers. I'm a Democrat. Slow your role. Imagine you were a Dreamer...w dt threatening you everyday. I don't know. Don't insinuate that I'm crapping out anyone. Thanks and good day to you.

[Phoenix61]

12. The guff is because you were piling on Dreamers

Not cool. If your going to speculate on how the student got expelled I would hope you would do a little due diligence and learn what the procedure is for that to happen. Implying that this is politically motivated is irresponsible at best.

[ResIpsa]

14. I most certainly was not and Im offended you said that

You don't know yourself. I said maybe he was a Dreamer. People who have nothing to lose are often the most dangerous. Were I a Dreamer I'd be scared and angry and disappointed. Democrats....our circular firing squad in the name of being PC. I was not trying to be egregious. Not sure what else I can say but that.

[Phoenix61]

19. Be offended all you want

You jumped to a conclusion based on nothing. If said "I bet he was African-American" we would recognize that as a racist statement. Saying "I bet he was a Dreamer" is the same level of ignorance.

[ResIpsa]

20. No I didn't.

I posited a theory and you assumed you knew what I was thinking. Nice group here. We keep this up it'll be another 2016 in 2018. I can make a statement. I said I wasn't being offensive. For you to continue says a lot about you.

[George II]

46. You said "betcha he's a Dreamer" - MUCH different than "maybe". And why do you say that?

Is it because his (ADOPTED) name is Cruz? He's Caucasian, born in the United States. You may not have been "trying to be egregious", but you sure were.

[ResIpsa]

37. Oh?

Family full of educators...the first recommendation usually comes from a teacher in class. Not trying to tip you over, but, that certainly is true. P.S. taught college myself, and a teacher most certainly can get a kid expelled.

[lunasun]

6. Now why would you think that?

[ResIpsa]

10. Just a thought.

As per usual dt hasn't said a word today in support. I'm not the enemy here. He needs to stop with the daily threats imho. It's UnAmerican. Good things.

[lunasun]

13. Trump has condemned the killings, the killer was not a current student , and has been identified

There is plenty out there about him at valid news sources

[ResIpsa]

25. forgive me

for not being you.

[ResIpsa]

16. Ahhh....

So sorry I didn't cozy up to the tv to make a post on DU. I'll get ALL the facts before I dare share a thought on a website of opinion and chat and news. I'm not trying to be awful. I posited a theory. GD.

[ResIpsa]

17. Yes.

As of an hour ago dt hadn't been on tv Obama Style. I understood he had gotten kicked out some time before. Enough time to get into another school for a moment. It's all pretty ugly. If the pattern keeps up we will be discussing this again next week...in another school shooting. Embarrassing to the world our country has many guns that this is getting so common.

[mr_lebowski]

29. This place is PC to the point of absurdity most of the time ... accept this reality and work

around it, and you should be fine

[ResIpsa]

34. Noam..

I usually swim to my own stroke...thanks for your advice though. You can come at me all day.. I wasn't being nasty. Happy Holiday.