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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 08:53 AM Feb 2018

The most common gun law of late 1800s America was a ban on concealed firearms.



Those whose opposition to gun control laws is based on the language of the 2nd Amendment, often point to the English Common Law tradition as the basis of the individual right to own and use firearms, both for sustenance (hunting) and self-defense. Some, including those who are aligned with the National Rifle Associations’ post-1975 shift toward an inviolable right of self-preservation (the NRA used to support gun control), also insist that a primary reason for the “right to keep and bear arms” is to defend against government tyranny – “enemies foreign and domestic”.

Neither of those arguments for an unrestricted right to possess personal firearms hold up under scrutiny of historical analysis, even though the early states-rights and anti-federalist movements promulgated them at the founding of our nation, just as their ideological descendants – the far right – propagate them today as if they comprised a consensus of the Founders and Framers who, in fact, deliberately rejected such individualistic emphasis in favor of a collectivist one.
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The most common gun law of late 1800s America was a ban on concealed firearms. According to gun rights historian Clayton Cramer, concealed carry prohibitions were among the earliest types of gun control laws adopted in the years following the Revolution. The first such law was adopted in Kentucky and Louisiana in 1813, Indiana banned concealed carry in 1820, Tennessee and Virginia in 1838, Alabama in 1839, and Ohio in 1859.
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“In late-eighteenth-century parlance, bearing arms was a term of art with an obvious military and legal connotation. … As a review of the Library of Congress’s data base of congressional proceedings in the revolutionary and early national periods reveals, the thirty uses of ‘bear arms’ and ‘bearing arms’ in bills, statutes, and debates of the Continental, Confederation, and United States’ Congresses between 1774 and 1821 invariably occur in a context exclusively focused on the army or the militia.” – H. Richard Uviller & William G. Merkel (2003), The Militia and the Right to Arms, Or, How the second Amendment Fell Silent

The term to “bear arms” comes from the Latin “arma ferre“, which means to carry military weapons into battle. To “keep arms” meant to stock them in armories. And “the people” referred to the collective population, not to individuals. The Framers clearly understood the use of these terms."


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The most common gun law of late 1800s America was a ban on concealed firearms. (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2018 OP
Thanks so much for additional information!! I wrote a response on one of ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #1
Thanks for the history, ehrnst Cha Feb 2018 #2
Schools are gun free zones turnitup Feb 2018 #3
We may never know what was going on in his head. ehrnst Feb 2018 #4
And concealed carry's still not a right. Igel Feb 2018 #5

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)
1. Thanks so much for additional information!! I wrote a response on one of ...
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 08:56 AM
Feb 2018

someone's DU post on guns, but didn't have this at hand. I know from a historical context that gun laws were in place in this country, but am glad to get this information!! Thanks so much!

 

turnitup

(94 posts)
3. Schools are gun free zones
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:09 AM
Feb 2018

but that didn't stop anyone. There is no reason to sell A-15 rifles. I can see selling hunting rifles and guns for protection of one's home. There is no reason for a person who had the issues this man had to be walking the streets. Ronald Raygun did us a disservice when he closed down mental institutions.

My question today is why didn't people listen when they were told about this man? When he bragged about killing on his facebook, why didn't authorities do something? I heard he had pictures of dead animals, if that is true then that is a huge red flag. Why did it go unnoticed?

We are all looking to blame someone or something, when it is a multiple of reasons why this happened. I suspect we will find out as time goes on just what was going on in his head

Igel

(35,317 posts)
5. And concealed carry's still not a right.
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 11:08 AM
Feb 2018

As for the odd misuse of the etymological fallacy, we'll leave that hairball alone.

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