The gun industry is trying to get people to call the AR-15 platforms "Modern Shooting Firearms"

[Kaleva]

Or MSF for short. And they are really working hard in an effort to get hunters to accept the AR-15 platform as a hunting weapon. This began back in 2009.

"Luth's quest to introduce the hunting market to the AR platform was recognized in January 2009 when he was named to the Outdoor Life's OL-25, and later chosen by online voters as the OL-25 "Reader's Choice" recipient. The recent campaign by the NSSF to educate hunters everywhere about the "modern sporting rifle" can be directly attributed to Luth's push to make AR rifles acceptable firearms in the field, the woods and on the range. "

http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1260775574jux81fpyv51

Randy Luth was the founder and president of DPMS Firearms; a company that makes AR type rifles. It stands to reason that when more ARs are sold, the more wealthy people like Randy Luth would become. It also stands to reason that as the AR became more common, then it would be harder politically to regulate or ban. Actions that would harm the bottom line of certain rich people.

The NSSF or National Shooting Sports Foundation is the firearms industry trade association.

Think of the AR manufacturers as the cigarette companies of the firearms industry. They are going all out trying to protect and increase their profits. Using ads and paid off mouthpieces in and effort to convince people to buy a product they most likely don't need and one that is quite dangerous in the wrong hands and is a favorite of the bad guys. The more people that become addicted to the AR type rifles, the better for the people who run these companies but since these companies are corporations, they will never be personally held liable for how they got their wealth.

[Iggo]

1. It's a war gun.

I don't care what you use it for.

[Fred Sanders]

3. To kill humans, not Bambi. Gun nutters are lying when saying it is for "hunting".

And kill humans it does, obviously very effectively.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. The only thing this gun hunts is people.

My guess is it has a high profit margin and lots of men with issues related to their masculinity need these to feel more like a man. HORRIBLE!

[Retrotech]

20. Bingo.

There's not a single fucking hunter in this world that uses an AR15 to hunt. We all know what they really are bought for.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Mass killings of humans

Nothing a little re-branding couldn’t solve.

[marble falls]

5. Really, "Modern Shooting Firearms" seems too cold. How about "people killing firearms"?

[gratuitous]

6. Why drag poor, innocent firearms into this?

We can argue all day long about who shot who with what rapid-fire semi-automatic weapon, but the fact of the matter is that we all feel really, really sorry right now. Instead of modern shooting firearms, can't we just call them projectile launching devices? That way, we lessen the risk that some uninformed people who can't tell a magazine from a clip (as if!) might weigh in with a wholly worthless opinion which they think is valid just because they think and stuff. See, when someone starts in on the projectile launching devices, we can say that a TV remote control is a device, and we suppose you want to take away everyone's remote now?!

Beats actually engaging the issue.

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Yes, now rule that they aren't covered by the 2nd. Amendment and ban them.

[Marengo]

8. Having used a .308 variant for hunting, I didnt find anything inherently unacceptable about it...

As a hunting platform.

[Kaleva]

12. Wouldn't that be an AR10?

[Marengo]

13. SIG 716 to be precise, similar to AR10

[lapfog_1]

9. yesterday someone stated here on DU

that the AR-15 was the best weapon to hunt coyotes.

So I didn't respond yesterday because I was so angry.

I was raised on a quarter horse ranch in Kansas. Given that my brother and sister were much older than me... and both my mother and father worked, I was a latchkey kid who, for hours a day, was totally on my own to take care of the ranch.

One afternoon, when I was 12 years old, I heard a large commotion from our south pasture. When I investigated, I found that one of the younger mares had been separated from the herd by 3 coyotes. One was nipping her nose while the other two were trying to take her down from behind. She was in trouble.

I went to my dads gun safe and took out my .22 rifle and carefully shot at the two in the rear but in a method that would make sure that a ricochet would not strike our horse... as expected those two ran off.

The lead coyote did not give up... so because the coyote was directly in line with me, I reloaded the rifle and moved to my left to get a clear shot. One shot to the shoulder took the coyote down... and I quickly reloaded and moved in and killed it with a head shot (I don't like to see any animal suffer).

Single shot bolt action.22 - never saw the other two coyotes again. I did what I had to do in the moment... absolutely NO NEED for an AR-15.

[LanternWaste]

10. I've kinda noticed that. Every time there's another high-body-count killing-spree

I've kinda noticed that. Every time there's another high-body-count killing-spree, there's going to be the asses who like to push everyone's buttons by bragging about how high their own kill-count is while hunting.

These are the same kinda guys who go into threads about vegetarianism and then boast about the big bacon-burger they're going to make the next day ("Gosh" they say, maintaining a thin veneer of self-righteousness, "all this talk is making me hunger for some ribs!!!&quot .

I'm guessing a Venn Diagram would show them doing the same in threads about race and gender equality as well.

[Marengo]

14. You made a poor choice, .22 is marginal for coyotes and humane kills difficult. An AR-15 would...

Have been better from that perspective.

[lapfog_1]

16. I was 12 years old...

the .22 was the rifle I was trained on. It was my rifle.

I was hoping to simply scare the coyotes off.

[Marengo]

17. Just because you made the kill with marginal equipment (requiring a second shot to the head)...

Doesnt mean an AR-15 wouldn’t have been a better choice.

[lapfog_1]

18. There were no assault rifles in that time for civilians

I would have used a higher caliber rifle... if I had ever shot one before and understood how to handle such a gun (my father's rifle was in the gun safe but I hadn't ever shot it before).

I disagree that the AR-15 would have been a better gun to use than my father's rifle.

My nephew has an AR-15... I've shot target with it. I don't believe that it is more accurate than other, non-assault style rifles. Rapid fire should not be an issue (unless you are a bad shot).

[Marengo]

19. Accuracy isnt the issue, ballistic performance is. .223/5.56 is a better choice than .22, that...

Simply can’t be reasonably argued. If you don’t mind my asking, what year did this occur?

[d_r]

11. Good

tell them the 2nd amendment was passed before the invention of "Modern Shooting Firearms."

[hack89]

15. True but irrelevent

the entire Bill of Rights was passed before the invention of all modern technology.