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Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:49 AM

 

IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?

IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
James Risen
February 16 2018

Trump and Russia
Part 1
Americans must live with the uncertainty of not knowing whether Trump has the best interests of the United States or those of Russia at heart.


PART 2 IS COMING SOON


One year after Trump took office, it is still unclear whether the president of the United States is an agent of a foreign power. Just step back and think about that for a moment.

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Most pundits in Washington now recoil at any suggestion that the Trump-Russia story is really about treason. They all want to say it’s about something else – what, they aren’t quite sure. They are afraid to use serious words. They are in the business of breaking down the Trump-Russia narrative into a long series of bite-sized, incremental stories in which the gravity of the overall case often gets lost. They seem to think that treason is too much of a conversation-stopper, that it interrupts the flow of cable television and Twitter. God forbid you might upset the right wing! (And the left wing, for that matter.)

But if a presidential candidate or his lieutenants secretly work with a foreign government that is a longtime adversary of the United States to manipulate and then win a presidential election, that is almost a textbook definition of treason.

In Article 3, Section 3, the U.S. Constitution states that “treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

Based on that provision in the Constitution, U.S. law – 18 U.S. Code § 2381 – states that “[w]hoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere” is guilty of treason. Those found guilty of this high crime “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”


https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-investigation/

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Reply IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR? (Original post)
poboy2 Feb 2018 OP
gopiscrap Feb 2018 #1
SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #3
triron Feb 2018 #15
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #40
LW1977 Feb 2018 #2
dchill Feb 2018 #5
VOX Feb 2018 #4
Glamrock Feb 2018 #6
Beakybird Feb 2018 #7
doc03 Feb 2018 #8
BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #9
Lint Head Feb 2018 #10
Doodley Feb 2018 #11
librechik Feb 2018 #12
triron Feb 2018 #16
SergeStorms Feb 2018 #25
world wide wally Feb 2018 #26
Sophia4 Feb 2018 #32
Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #13
oasis Feb 2018 #14
nocalflea Feb 2018 #17
poboy2 Feb 2018 #20
nocalflea Feb 2018 #22
Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #27
Sophia4 Feb 2018 #33
poboy2 Feb 2018 #34
Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #36
ffr Feb 2018 #18
Skittles Feb 2018 #19
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #21
fierywoman Feb 2018 #23
Cha Feb 2018 #24
dalton99a Feb 2018 #35
Snackshack Feb 2018 #28
Canoe52 Feb 2018 #29
Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #37
Historic NY Feb 2018 #30
RainCaster Feb 2018 #31
John Fante Feb 2018 #38
rainin Feb 2018 #39
KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2018 #41
randr Feb 2018 #42
WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #43
Caliman73 Feb 2018 #44
poboy2 Feb 2018 #45
librechik Feb 2018 #46
Orsino Feb 2018 #47

Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:50 AM

1. yes

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:52 AM

3. YES! nt

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:43 AM

15. One of the worst kind if there is such.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:09 AM

40. I think that was a rhetorical question.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:51 AM

2. Yes

As well as the Republicans enabling him in Congress!

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Response to LW1977 (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:54 AM

5. Now you're talking!

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:54 AM

4. Hell yes. So is his family. So are the bozos on his staff and cabinet.

They are tearing apart the United States, but by bit.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:55 AM

6. I hate to quote myself, but in a word.....

Fuckyes!

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:21 AM

7. Fascinating

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:29 AM

8. Technically probably no but I consider him one nt

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:29 AM

9. Yes

No doubt in my mind.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:31 AM

10. He's a DAMN traitor.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:33 AM

11. He praises Putin while trashing America. He won't enforce the Russian Sanctions.

He won't do anything to prevent future Russian interference. He surrounded himself with people who have lied about their connections to Russia. He is systematically destroying American institutions. Yes, he's a traitor.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:37 AM

12. not until war is declared.

it's a technical thing. He is an asshole no question.

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Response to librechik (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:47 AM

16. No, it says " levies war OR adheres to the enemy"

It does NOT say levies war and adheres...! Logic says one or the other has to be
true not both necessarily.

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Response to librechik (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:31 AM

25. The definition of "war" has changed....

since the founding fathers penned this. Cyber war - which is exactly what Russia has engaged in - is every bit as real and dangerous as a shooting war. The overthrow of a government, whether by bullets or ballots, is a very real "war".

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Response to librechik (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:31 AM

26. I keep hearing on cable news tonight that the US was indeed under a cyber "attack"

Attacks are generally associated wth war.

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Response to librechik (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:10 AM

32. Did Russia conduct a cyberwar?

 

Is an attack on our election system a modern day war?

Those the the questions yet to be answered.

I think that the facts may ultimately suggest that using bots to interfere in election campaigns in a foreign country is cyberwar.

If not, what is it?

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:38 AM

13. Among other things yes!

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:42 AM

14. Benedict Donald. nt

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:50 AM

17. " uncertainty of not knowing..." ? Really ?

How fucking blind is Risen ?

So fucking blind he writes for the Intercept.

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Response to nocalflea (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:00 AM

20. He makes a case for the affirmative.

 

I'd say read the article-or not.

"This, my first column for The Intercept, will focus on the first track of the Trump-Russia narrative. I will devote separate columns to each of the other tracks in turn.

The evidence that Russia intervened in the election to help Trump win is already compelling, and it grows stronger by the day.
"

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Response to poboy2 (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:13 AM

22. Oh, goody.

Can't wait to wade through the disinformation.

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Response to nocalflea (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:34 AM

27. Name one book hes written, without googling

 

You clearly have no idea what this man has accomplished as a journalist/author

Welcome to knee jerk city!

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Response to nocalflea (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:11 AM

33. The article is very interesting. Worth a read.

 

You will probably be pleasantly surprised.

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Response to nocalflea (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:11 AM

34. How about just these two paragraphs then...

 

'There can be little doubt now that Russian intelligence officials were behind an effort to hack the DNC’s computers and steal emails and other information from aides to Hillary Clinton as a means of damaging her presidential campaign. Once they stole the correspondence, Russian intelligence officials used cutouts and fronts to launder the emails and get them into the bloodstream of the U.S. press. Russian intelligence also used fake social media accounts and other tools to create a global echo chamber both for stories about the emails and for anti-Clinton lies dressed up to look like news.

To their disgrace, editors and reporters at American news organizations greatly enhanced the Russian echo chamber, eagerly writing stories about Clinton and the Democratic Party based on the emails, while showing almost no interest during the presidential campaign in exactly how those emails came to be disclosed and distributed. The Intercept itself has faced such accusations. The hack was a much more important story than the content of the emails themselves, but that story was largely ignored because it was so easy for journalists to write about Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.'

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Response to poboy2 (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:19 AM

36. Thank you for that revivification of the lazy reporters relying on the CW, groupthink, herd

 

mentality, however you want to describe it, instead of acting like actual.....journalists

This is EXACTLY how the Whitewater inquisition was driven

Fools for Scandal and The Hunting Of the President are all one needs to read to see how it was done

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:52 AM

18. All of these remedies would be too kind, in my book.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:54 AM

19. of course he is

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:04 AM

21. Of course, as well as Nunes

and half the GOP including Ryan and McConnell.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:24 AM

23. Yes.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:25 AM

24. Duh!

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Response to Cha (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:12 AM

35. Exactly.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:35 AM

28. Yes

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:37 AM

29. Does the Pope shit in the woods?

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Response to Canoe52 (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:23 AM

37. Her haw. That was precisely the phrase that came to mind when I saw this

 

I figured somebody might say that!

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:45 AM

30. A Russian dupe!

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:46 AM

31. Is a bear Catholic?

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:42 AM

38. He's a regular Benedict Asshole.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:03 AM

39. If Mueller calls it treason, people will remember forever where they were when they heard the news.

n/t

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:55 AM

41. tRump is a patriot...of self-interest.

Only loyal to himself and his financial interests, along with feeding that coliseum-size ego.

He flies the flag of corrupt plutocratic oligarchy well.

He has completely betrayed our confidence and trust, so therefore can be labeled a traitor. Further, he has weakened and endangered our standing internationally and has made a mockery of the Constitution.

..............

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:37 AM

42. Just like asking "Is the Pope catholic?"

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:47 AM

43. Well

Is an elephant heavy?

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:23 PM

44. There is no uncertainty at all.

Americans must live with the uncertainty of not knowing whether Trump has the best interests of the United States or those of Russia at heart.

At this point we do not have clear legal evidence that Trump is acting as a Russian agent. We have strong circumstantial evidence but until a causal link is shown, we can't say he is acting in Russia's interests.

What we can say for certain, without any doubt, based on more than 30 years of evidence, is that Trump NEVER acts in anyone's interests but his own. EVER.

We have had good Presidents, bad Presidents, incompetent Presidents, Crooked Presidents, ineffectual Presidents, etc... But we can make arguments that each of those Presidents acted in some ways that were (at least to them) in the interests of the United States.

Trump has not shown, not even once, the inclination to act in the interests of the majority of the people of the US. Furthermore, he does not act unless he personally will receive some benefit, tangible or not.

I was having a discussion with my wife yesterday about TPP. A lot of people hated the idea of TPP. The secrecy and the idea that it was written by industry people, along with the history of NAFTA and CAFTA, made it very unpopular. President Obama did himself no favors in the way he discussed TPP either. The thing is, whether the details and effects of TPP were good or bad, the purpose was to solidify America's influence in Asia and basically keep China from dominating trade in the region. China, is a major trade partner with the US, but we all know that they are also our largest economic rival in the region and in the world. The strategic importance of getting the Asian nations and Australia/New Zealand to form an economic partnership to blunt China's growth is actually in the US's interests and there can and should be discussion about the bad parts. Trump blew up TPP because it sounded like the "populist" thing to do, but he also did it because he, his daughter, his son-in-law, but mainly he, has business interests in China. At this point, the Asian nations and Australia/New Zealand are forging ahead with looking for a stable trade partner and are looking to either the EU or to China as the major player. Granted the US will continue to be an economic powerhouse, but Trump's arrogance, stupidity, and self interest have created a vacuum that other nations are only too glad to step in and fill, to our detriment.

There is NO uncertainty AT ALL, about whose interests Trump is working for. It has been and always will be, his own interests.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:05 PM

45. Yes, re:TPP. I too have come to understand it more.

 

If the necessity for it were better explained and presented at the time, there would not have been so much resistance, imo.
It needed to be 'sold' in a very public way, not so 'secretive'. Explain it to the people, don't be shy. Maybe they'll buy in. If you're sly and coy about it, you invite suspicion.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:17 PM

46. Could not agree more.

In every detail. Thank You.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:20 PM

47. Accidentally so.

I think he is not capable of understanding the limits of power, or that he perhaps shouldn't get everything he wants when he wants it. His ignorance has always led him to cut corners, and his handlers have always shielded him from as many consequences as they can. That's what they're paid for, period.

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