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Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:32 PM Feb 2018

Is this a dumb question, or is there a real contradiction here?

If the 2nd Amendment exists to help the citizenry fight against a tyrannical government, why are so many 2nd Amendment supporters in favor of a strong military? I'm not trying to generalize here, but just about every 2nd Amendment supporter I know wants the military to be as big and bad as possible, all the while thinking he'll be able to take it on barricaded inside his house some day.

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Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
1. They intend to use them to kill all the libruls
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:35 PM
Feb 2018

in a “cut down the tall trees” Rawanda style civil conflict.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
2. The 2nd Amendment was really aimed at building a militia, not owning a personal arsenal
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:37 PM
Feb 2018

By militia, they were thinking in terms of the national guard which is controlled by the states.

The NRA and gun industry have twisted it's meaning.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
4. Their argument is that the original intent of the first part of the 2nd amendment was
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:43 PM
Feb 2018

was to make the second part be interpreted exactly the same as if the first part had never been written.

That’s right, the framers carefully debated and chose every word in that very important document but decided to include a few completely useless words just to mess with us.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
3. The military cant be used domestically
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018

And for some reason they think a tyrannical government will go down in defeat by a handful of yahoos with a few assault rifles rather than violate that sacred rule.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
5. They have failed to understand that no matter
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:54 PM
Feb 2018

how big and bad the gun they own is, if the government wanted to "take control" it would be completely useless against the tanks, planes, grenade launchers etc that the government would deploy against them. They are dumber than a box of rocks.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
7. What exactly does that have to do with
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:27 PM
Feb 2018

what I said. Comparing a war zone to a high-school doesn't make sense.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
8. The Taliban never had *any* tanks or planes-- but they're still there, and still a threat
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:42 PM
Feb 2018
https://news.google.com/news/search/section/q/Taliban/Taliban?hl=en&gl=US&ned=us

That's after sixteen years of fighting the US+NATO+FSM knows who else, all of which have
"tanks, planes, grenade launchers etc"



Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
12. You make an interesting point. However
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 07:36 PM
Feb 2018

I don't think our military hasn't taken control of Afghanistan because of resistance; I think it's because of the way we fight wars these days. There are rules of engagement, and we don't go to war to gain territory or totally defeat our enemies anymore. I'm sure with the might of the American military we could make Afghanistan the 51st state if we wanted to, but that's not the goal. We always seem to fight wars half assed, as a third party that goes in, routs one side of a dispute and funds and trains the other side, hoping they can carry on the battle for us. We get into wars, not to win them, but for things like keeping the flow of oil going to the world market.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
9. The same people endorse free speech but want us to STFU
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:51 PM
Feb 2018

Yes. There is a contradiction. That's all they have.

TheBlackAdder

(28,194 posts)
10. Military, ex military, paramilitary and those from overbearing households embrace fascism more.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 12:17 AM
Feb 2018

It's something that they are used to. They are used to living in a rigid environment or nanny state.

They are actually fearful if there are too many free decisions, options, and variables in life.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
11. Why do you think that such a conflict would be symmetrical?
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 12:19 AM
Feb 2018

It doesn't matter how big and bad your tanks and drones are if you can't tell the good guys from the bad guys. Especially not in your own country.

See e.g. Vietnam or Afghanistan.

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