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Burgman

(330 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:22 AM Jan 2012

And Ice cream castles in the air...

Yeah, I wish Obama was more progressive. I would love to see the politics of Sanders and Kucinich be accepted by more.

I don't think that's going to happen.

Barring a miracle candidate with the money of Midas I don't see a progressive candidate entering the fray. I still feel that even with all his flaws, Obama is the best we can do at the moment. He's not what I expected but he's better than Nixon.

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And Ice cream castles in the air... (Original Post) Burgman Jan 2012 OP
I think Obama is a pretty good President Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #1
My personal feel lends itself to Joni. Burgman Jan 2012 #3
I was trying to stick to the "castles" theme Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #9
that's where the line came from. Burgman Jan 2012 #10
The voter's mantra should be a variation of the Hippocratic Oath. MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #2
The Occupy card unionworks Jan 2012 #4
Eh, give him a progressive House and Senate and watch how "progressive" he really is. joshcryer Jan 2012 #5
Protecting social security and medicare and aren't "ice cream castles in the air". wickerwoman Jan 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #7
Ouch. Burgman Jan 2012 #8
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
1. I think Obama is a pretty good President
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:33 AM
Jan 2012

It is easy to attack the legislation that is being passed as not progressive enough. The thing is that even though we are getting watered down legislation passed at least we are not stripping regulations and shutting down departments like the EPA, they are just being slowly killed by the (R)s in the house.


We have stopped moving in the wrong direction on any number of issues. We aren't changing direction very fast but the President has limited power and he is facing an election next year. I think once he starts campaigning and presenting his own record to the American people he will look pretty good, not just good by comparison.


I'll settle for castles made of sand, for now.







 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
9. I was trying to stick to the "castles" theme
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jan 2012

made of sand are somewhat better than ice cream in the sky


but that is a great song, thanks for posting it

MilesColtrane

(18,678 posts)
2. The voter's mantra should be a variation of the Hippocratic Oath.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:39 AM
Jan 2012

Instead of "First, do no harm", it should be, "First, vote for the candidate who will do the least amount of harm, and who actually has a chance of winning".

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
5. Eh, give him a progressive House and Senate and watch how "progressive" he really is.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:34 AM
Jan 2012

He's a moderate to the core. Always has been. Painfully consistently so.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
6. Protecting social security and medicare and aren't "ice cream castles in the air".
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:59 AM
Jan 2012

And neither are standing up for labor rights, regulating the banking industry, funding the space program, reestablishing civil liberties and privacy rights, or protecting public education.

They're things my parents and grandparents enjoyed and even took for granted which have been systematically dismantled over the past 30 years.

Obama may or may not be the best we can do for the moment, but there's no call for suggesting that a more progressive agenda equals living in fantasy land when 90% of that agenda is resisting roll-backs of already established programs and rights.

It's a myth that the country has moved fundamentally to the right when as many people as ever want don't want social security or medicare touched.

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