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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:39 PM Jul 2012

PSA announcement, if you can, it is time to restock your pantry.

This drought will push prices up at least by 10% to 20% not the estimated 4%. Cattle meat should drop due to the initial selling of herds that cannot be fed, then there will be a long period of meat shortage.

Also be carefull of relying too much on electric power. Nuke plants need large amount of water to keep running and are already taken off line in some areas.

A diesel generators would be useful and be sure you learn how and where fuel can be stored.

This is big outlay of funds, look into forming group support sharing or local Farm Bureau.

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PSA announcement, if you can, it is time to restock your pantry. (Original Post) CK_John Jul 2012 OP
Thank you, and it's only going to get worse. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #1
good post. food prices have been going up and will rise even more dramatically cali Jul 2012 #2
It's the middle of summer which is Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #3
I love canning and I'm going to miss it this year cali Jul 2012 #4
and they plan to cut food stamps grasswire Jul 2012 #5
That is indeed the Republican plan, but.... Berlum Jul 2012 #9
humans don't need to eat meat. no big loss there nt msongs Jul 2012 #6
maybe you don't. more for me. n/t Scout Jul 2012 #12
Me neither. I am a vegetarian. n/t RebelOne Jul 2012 #18
I found pork for $2 lb, chops for $2.50 and round roast for $3 Viva_La_Revolution Jul 2012 #7
Good point...I have a fairly large freezer where i can store meats etc... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #8
And thus it begins lunatica Jul 2012 #10
I was at the store the other day Horse with no Name Jul 2012 #11
Anyone who doesn't maintain a well-stocked pantry in preparation for natural disasters is naive slackmaster Jul 2012 #13
you do realize that a lot of people- and I'm one of them cali Jul 2012 #28
Yes, I am aware of that slackmaster Jul 2012 #52
some of us cant stock enough to last till payday RedRocco Jul 2012 #29
+1 leeroysphitz Jul 2012 #35
Maybe God will take care of people who are in that kind of situation slackmaster Jul 2012 #51
I disagree. People tend to thinks things will turn worse than they really do. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #38
Often true, but if a large earthquake affects SoCal I won't be drinking from the toilet tank slackmaster Jul 2012 #50
Good point! Logical Jul 2012 #57
Once upon a time you could stock up on canned goods and they'd last for years... nc4bo Jul 2012 #14
I've noticed this too- do you know how this came to be? Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #15
Not at all. We wound up tossing a ton of stuff nc4bo Jul 2012 #17
I have many canned goods that I bought during RebelOne Jul 2012 #19
Food does not magically become inedible on the printed expiration date slackmaster Jul 2012 #20
I'd have agreed with you before but for some reason the product nc4bo Jul 2012 #21
lost cans and some good okra soup!! nc4bo Jul 2012 #22
The manufacturer will always do the legal CYA thing slackmaster Jul 2012 #26
You, are a very smart person. I'd never have thought of the compost. nc4bo Jul 2012 #32
About citric acid... nc4bo Jul 2012 #23
The USDA's Guide to Home Canning is a great resource slackmaster Jul 2012 #24
This is GREAT!! nc4bo Jul 2012 #30
I hate that.. I have 15 year old home canned tomatoes that I still use.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #33
Are you being sarcastic? nc4bo Jul 2012 #34
Not at all sarcastic.. my tomatoes taste as good as the day they were canned. (mason jars) X_Digger Jul 2012 #42
WOW!!!!! nc4bo Jul 2012 #45
Yup! Though I need to find a new gasket.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #49
That is wonderful, seriously! nc4bo Jul 2012 #53
Nothing tastes quite so good on a cold winter night as chili made from your own tomato sauce. X_Digger Jul 2012 #56
Ha nc4bo Jul 2012 #62
Cool dry places are hard to come by in the desert areas SoCalDem Jul 2012 #36
I wish, that stuff seems to be in everything. nc4bo Jul 2012 #37
I put dried beans and flour in the freezer for a few days to kill the @$$#$%&&* moths and beetles slackmaster Jul 2012 #48
Moths......very hard to get rid of, yes! nc4bo Jul 2012 #58
Never a bad idea in general, but I expect the price rise will be ameliorated Robb Jul 2012 #16
Doesn't hoarding just raise prices for everyone who can't afford to hoard? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #25
it's not drought, it's economic terrorism. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #27
"cattle meat" is usually called "beef". trof Jul 2012 #31
"This drought will push prices up at least by 10% to 20% not the estimated 4%"?? Logical Jul 2012 #39
Who you going to believe? CK_John or your lying eyes? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #40
Don't get it. Explain it to me. Logical Jul 2012 #41
Its an old Groucho Marx quote that indicates you know the truth and I agree with you NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #43
OK, interesting. Never heard it. Thanks! Logical Jul 2012 #44
It is used when you know someone is lying to you NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #46
Ok, makes sense. Sorry I was clueless!! :-) Logical Jul 2012 #47
No problem but let me give you an even better example NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #54
Beautiful View! Wow! Logical Jul 2012 #59
Thank you NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #60
Good for you! "Knee High By The 4th Of July" is definitely not true anymore! :-) More like head high Logical Jul 2012 #61
This corn was tall as an elephants eye by the fourth of July NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #63
Thanks for the tip Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #55
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. good post. food prices have been going up and will rise even more dramatically
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jul 2012

over the coming months.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
3. It's the middle of summer which is
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jul 2012

prime canning season. NOW would be the time to can as much as you can -- produce is at it's freshest and prices are lowest.

I brought my grocery bill down to $200.00 a month for two people this past winter by relying on what we canned during the summer.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I love canning and I'm going to miss it this year
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jul 2012

You are so right about reducing the grocery bill and plus a lot of what I've put up is far more delicious than anything from a grocery store.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
5. and they plan to cut food stamps
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jul 2012

there are going to be many more hungry Americans. Food banks just can't keep up.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
9. That is indeed the Republican plan, but....
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jul 2012

The Repubbies are stalling the Farm Bill (which has their Slash & Burn devastation of food stamps), until after the election.

Republicans want to stay occult about their Evil A-hole plans, and keep Americans ignorant about the truth. As usual.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
7. I found pork for $2 lb, chops for $2.50 and round roast for $3
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jul 2012

believe me I stocked up! Chicken hasn't gone down yet, still at $1 lb whole.

I don't have to worry too much about elec power here in PNW, barring earthquakes anyway.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
8. Good point...I have a fairly large freezer where i can store meats etc...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jul 2012

...was planning on going to Costco this weekend as well...nice timing!

Horse with no Name

(33,960 posts)
11. I was at the store the other day
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:19 PM
Jul 2012

and they had 3 bags of beans for $1.00.

I have a pantry full of beans now.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
13. Anyone who doesn't maintain a well-stocked pantry in preparation for natural disasters is naive
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jul 2012

If you need to stock up now, you may already be too late.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. you do realize that a lot of people- and I'm one of them
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jul 2012

can't afford to maintain a well-stocked pantry, right?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
52. Yes, I am aware of that
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jul 2012

Sorry if you really can't afford to keep some emergency food on hand. I hope someone is around to assist you in the event of a disaster.

If you happen to be near my place, you are welcome to stop by for a meal and a bottle of water.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
50. Often true, but if a large earthquake affects SoCal I won't be drinking from the toilet tank
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jul 2012

Or wishing I had kept a few more cans of soup on the shelf.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
14. Once upon a time you could stock up on canned goods and they'd last for years...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jul 2012

Nice cool, dry place and you're set.

Check out the expiration dates of canned goods now. You're lucky if you get 2 years out of them.

I'm canning my garden tomatoes (can't afford a pressure canner) and know they'll come in very handy. Next year I hope to be able to can other foods and meats.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
15. I've noticed this too- do you know how this came to be?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jul 2012

I've been wondering about this, off and on.

Thanks!

PB

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
17. Not at all. We wound up tossing a ton of stuff
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jul 2012

after opening a 3 yr old can of tomatoes and you could tell they were "off". Called the manufacturer and they said absolutely throw it away which meant tossing a cupboard full of stuff.

Talk about po'd, not even the word for it.

Maybe someone can lend an explanation...

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
19. I have many canned goods that I bought during
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

the 2000 scare. Now I guess there is a lot I have to discard.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
20. Food does not magically become inedible on the printed expiration date
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

If you store canned foods under good conditions, most kinds are safe to eat far beyond that date.

Home-canned tomatoes are great! I always add a little citric acid to mine. The extra acidity should keep them good for a longer time.

I've kept my own canned tomatoes and sauces as long as two years, and they've always been perfectly good to eat.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
21. I'd have agreed with you before but for some reason the product
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012

had changed in color and consistency. This never used to happen before. My gram had canned goods in the basement that lasted for years, literally and although it's been many a year, I believe the dates were in the 3-5 year timeframe but could definitely last longer if properly stored.

Take the canned (metal) tomatoes (not the ones I'm putting up lol) tasted/smelled funny but not alarming, the color was a bit darker, we went ahead and used it anyway but what really alarming was the soup we used them in turned almost black in color.

That's what prompted us to call the manufacturer and that's when they told us to toss and toss anything with an expired date.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
26. The manufacturer will always do the legal CYA thing
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:29 PM
Jul 2012

And who could blame them?

I agree that if any of your senses tell you that food is somehow "off," it's not worth the risk of eating it.

I throw questionable food into my compost pile, so it all gets recycled.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
32. You, are a very smart person. I'd never have thought of the compost.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jul 2012

I appreciate these little hints more than you'd know

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
23. About citric acid...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jul 2012

I bought lemon juice and a can of CA. Used the juice but wasn't sure about the CA since the canning recipes I'd been always say not to replace anything in the recipe. This was my first time so wasn't sure what to believe.

Guess I should go on over the the cook/baking forum.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
24. The USDA's Guide to Home Canning is a great resource
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jul 2012

You can find it at many sources in PDF format for free download.

Their canning instructions are probably overkill in terms of food safety. If you follow them carefully, you really can't go wrong.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
30. This is GREAT!!
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jul 2012

Wonderful actually and right on time because I've got a bunch ready to process now.

THANK-YOU!!

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
33. I hate that.. I have 15 year old home canned tomatoes that I still use..
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jul 2012

When we moved recently, we noticed some store bought tomato products that were off.

Ticked us off as well.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
34. Are you being sarcastic?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jul 2012

Do you remember seeing the story about a can of lard from WW2 that was still edible?

Something has changed in the way the cans are made or the way manufacturers are preparing the food.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
42. Not at all sarcastic.. my tomatoes taste as good as the day they were canned. (mason jars)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jul 2012

We had both 'cans' of tomato products as well as jars that had gone bad.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
49. Yup! Though I need to find a new gasket..
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jul 2012

I got my cooker from my great-grandmother, and she included a bag of pop-off valves, but told me I'd have to replace the gasket every couple of years. That wasn't a problem 10-12 years ago, my local hardware store carried them. Now? Hrmmmm.

I'll have to dig it out of the attic, see if I can get a gasket (and see if the can rack is still in it). It holds, I believe, 5 or 6 quart jars.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
53. That is wonderful, seriously!
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jul 2012

That's what I want to save up for, a pressure canner. I noticed when you want to can low acid foods, stews, soups, meat, etc, those are the way to go but one baby step at a time for me!

I'm confident you can find your gaskets without too many problems. Check online.

You've inherited a fine piece of equipment and a very handy skill set!





X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
56. Nothing tastes quite so good on a cold winter night as chili made from your own tomato sauce.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jul 2012

Bonus points for growing your own chilies and peppers.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
36. Cool dry places are hard to come by in the desert areas
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

Basements are no longer de rigueur in most places and cool & dry costs money.

Many staples can be frozen if one has a freezer.


Wouldn't it be great of high corn costs actually got HFCS out of foods? One can dream

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
37. I wish, that stuff seems to be in everything.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

Hunts ketchup and Log Cabin syrup dumped HFCS and a few small soft drink companies using regular sugar.

Some companies are getting the message, not enough though.

We lack a basement too (one thing I miss badly) and pantry stays too warm but we've a bedroom closet that is cool and dark. Visitors probably think it odd but I stopped caring lol.

And yea - I definitely see your point about cool places living in a hot dry climate.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
48. I put dried beans and flour in the freezer for a few days to kill the @$$#$%&&* moths and beetles
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jul 2012

I REALLY HATE those bugs. Once they get into your food supplies, it's all over unless it's stored in glass or metal.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
58. Moths......very hard to get rid of, yes!
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jul 2012

Haven't had a run in with beetles or weevils but those darn moths would be everywhere and just when I thought they were gone, there's one hanging upside down on the ceiling.

I wind up sticking stuff like beans, rice, grits, pancake mix, breadcrumbs, etc in ziplock bags as a precaution!! Buggers even invaded my loose spices - not going through that anymore.

Now you've got me wondering if ziplock bags are enough - yuck.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
16. Never a bad idea in general, but I expect the price rise will be ameliorated
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

...by a drop in shipping prices, e.g. fuel costs going down.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
39. "This drought will push prices up at least by 10% to 20% not the estimated 4%"??
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jul 2012

So the estimates are wrong based on your calculations? Why are you right and them wrong?

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
46. It is used when you know someone is lying to you
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jul 2012

Its like someone walking up and saying to you the sky is yellow while you are looking up at the sky and it is blue as ever.

And you turn to that person and say, "Damn who am I going to believe? You, or my "lying" eyes.

Hope contextualizing this helped.



Don

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
54. No problem but let me give you an even better example
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jul 2012

Someone here was trying to convince everyone here that the entire Midwest corn crop was doomed because of the drought about a week ago.

They said it was all dying and only getting worse. Like what they were showing on TV to the city folks.

One problem with that. I live in the Midwest not too far from the poster who had their hair on fire over it.

And I was looking out my sliding glass doors at the time looking at this.



So, who was I going to believe? The poster with their hair on fire over the drought or my lying eyes?

Take care and see you later.

Don

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
60. Thank you
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jul 2012

That is over 2000 acres of corn that is doing just fine during this worst draught in 56 years.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
61. Good for you! "Knee High By The 4th Of July" is definitely not true anymore! :-) More like head high
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jul 2012

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
63. This corn was tall as an elephants eye by the fourth of July
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jul 2012

Just like it always has been for the over 20 years I have lived here.

Don

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