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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:02 AM Mar 2018

"Does anything matter any more? Are there really any rules?"

I think that's the unspoken attitude of a majority of America these days. Most probably don't know what "nihilism" means, but they sure know how to apply it to our present predicament.

They've seen Trump aides, campaign chairmen and surrogates thumb their noses at Congress by just basically telling them to go to hell with their "irrelevant" and "inappropriate" questions. And, there was no penalty; no consequence.

They know we now have a president whose personal "morality" involves 3 wives, 19 women who have credibly accused him of sexual assault, 1 (or 2, or---?) porn actresses with whom he has committed adultery and a civil suit, now dismissed, which alleged his rape of a 13 year old girl. And, the man is supposedly POTUS. No penalties. No consequences.

They have seen him mock and malign disabled people, war heroes, and Gold Star parents. They have heard him refer to klansmen and neo-nazis as "fine people". No penalties. No consequences.

Most of us, you see, thought that stuff was important; that there were some things that decent responsible people---especially those who sit in the Oval Office---just were not supposed to do. That may be a simplistic way of phrasing it, but I believe it's accurate.

As a nation, we are about to answer the questions posed in my title. Trump will either be impeached and convicted of his crimes and his minions appropriately punished---or not. If "not", the America I was born in, grew up in and assumed I would leave to my children and grandchildren will have died.

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"Does anything matter any more? Are there really any rules?" (Original Post) Atticus Mar 2018 OP
Republicans have lost their right to be outraged about anything ever again. DetlefK Mar 2018 #1
The shocking thing is the way the Evangelicals have remained silent, even Sophia4 Mar 2018 #10
Worse Than Silent ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #14
Not entirely silent . . . gratuitous Mar 2018 #17
"nothing Trump can do to alienate him" dalton99a Mar 2018 #23
I don't find it shocking. StarryNite Mar 2018 #33
I am not shocked by anything Progressive dog Mar 2018 #38
Just fuck them, they are mostly yuiyoshida Mar 2018 #21
The pendulum swings again Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #2
I would disagree with the idea that Trump represents whathehell Mar 2018 #5
as we approach tax time, it really hits home NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #3
Extinction level event. Existential threat. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #4
Brother Atticus, are you trying to say this? Glamrock Mar 2018 #6
I was just about to post that! Dennis Donovan Mar 2018 #18
Great minds baby! Glamrock Mar 2018 #35
In Trumpland, there are no rules. Only winning and losing....so, wiggs Mar 2018 #7
Excellent post. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #13
If you posted this by itself yuiyoshida Mar 2018 #26
And the people who call the D party fascists, a poster here has said that on another thread, Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #28
As long as that jackass in the Kremlin is still there, we aren't safe. Initech Mar 2018 #8
Yes . . . DV1 Mar 2018 #9
Sometimes it takes an extreme rule breaker askyagerz Mar 2018 #11
Hope. Duppers Mar 2018 #15
Sometimes we have to navigate through the darkness askyagerz Mar 2018 #19
Not to mention colluding and conspiring Duppers Mar 2018 #12
There are rules..... mgardener Mar 2018 #16
Bingo dalton99a Mar 2018 #24
Yup! happy feet Mar 2018 #29
Oh, there are rules to live by, if you want to be happy Taraman Mar 2018 #20
I've no pity or compassion for a person Duppers Mar 2018 #32
We will get what we settle for. kentuck Mar 2018 #22
Turnabout is fair play. ffr Mar 2018 #25
" And, the man is supposedly POTUS." Martin Eden Mar 2018 #27
Once Trump is gone ... Kablooie Mar 2018 #30
H20 Man said it best: Trump is a Degenerate maxsolomon Mar 2018 #31
Nihilism. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #34
I not only agree, I'm getting damn tired of being called an alarmist for thinking it possible. nt Atticus Mar 2018 #36
The American Ideal of my childhood and youth died with the selection of 2000. PufPuf23 Mar 2018 #37
 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
10. The shocking thing is the way the Evangelicals have remained silent, even
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:31 PM
Mar 2018

acquiescent throughout the debacle of the Trump presidency.

Maybe they just don't want to admit how wrong they were about him.

But this could be a turning point for that form of extreme religion in our country. It is very enthusiastic, judgmental and phony in my opinion. And its underlying superficiality and hypocrisy is showing with regard to Trump.

Not enough is being said about this in my opinion.

ProfessorGAC

(65,016 posts)
14. Worse Than Silent
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:33 PM
Mar 2018

Right here at DU, TODAY, i read a blurb from some pastor who said "We knew we weren't electing an altar boy."
It's beyond silence. They're actively condoning the behavior.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Not entirely silent . . .
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:37 PM
Mar 2018

A friend posted a link to this article on Facebook:

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/377559-pro-trump-pastor-stormy-daniels-allegations-totally-irrelevant-to-evangelical

Pro-Trump pastor: Stormy Daniels allegations 'totally irrelevant' to evangelical support for Trump

“Evangelicals know they’re not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president,” Pastor Robert Jeffress said on Fox News Thursday. “And let’s be clear, evangelicals still believe in the commandment ‘thou shalt not have sex with a porn star.’”

“However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him,” he continued.

Jeffress said evangelicals knew they “weren’t voting for an altar boy” when they voted for Trump and maintained they supported Trump for his “policies and strong leadership.”


Jeffress does a terrific job of taking every last principle evangelicals claim to believe in as the eternal, immutable word of God and standing them on their heads. I'll bet if someone whispered "situational ethics" to him in mid-justification for Trump, he'd take a swing at that person.

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
23. "nothing Trump can do to alienate him"
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:57 PM
Mar 2018
In fact, when it comes to those behaviors, he suggested there’s pretty much nothing Trump can do to alienate him as long as he delivers on those policies.

“I‘m his friend,” he said. “I will never walk away.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-pastor-porn-star-sex_us_5aa1f695e4b086698a9c1e72

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
33. I don't find it shocking.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:39 PM
Mar 2018

It's just the way they are. They've always been that way. They're very forgiving and will willingly turn a blind eye if they think it's to their benefit. Otherwise they are judgmental and holier than thou.

Progressive dog

(6,902 posts)
38. I am not shocked by anything
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 07:07 PM
Mar 2018

those enangelicals do. Trump and their "spiritual" leaders have much in common.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
21. Just fuck them, they are mostly
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:53 PM
Mar 2018

All Assholes anyway. Every Republican in office with few exceptions.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
2. The pendulum swings again
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:05 AM
Mar 2018

It'll turn back in the other direction, not without pain and suffering, but it will. It just takes the right kinds of people in positions of power.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
5. I would disagree with the idea that Trump represents
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:21 AM
Mar 2018

a normal "swing of the pendulum". There is nothing 'normal' here. That said, it needs to stop.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
3. as we approach tax time, it really hits home
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:08 AM
Mar 2018

We work our butts off for accuracy, being sure to report everything, be absolutely honest...

and we see what is going on at the very top.

It boggles the mind....and has for over a year now.

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
7. In Trumpland, there are no rules. Only winning and losing....so,
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:32 AM
Mar 2018

...cheating and getting away with it is winning

...stiffing a contractor for the fun of it and out-lawyering him is winning

...abusing a spouse is winning, the abused is the loser

...using the office of the president to enrich your family is winning

...cheating on your wife is winning

...lying your ass off to the FBI and getting pardoned is winning

...getting the last playground tweet off in a tweet storm with a deranged, dangerous foreign leader is winning

...engaging with a worldwide crime network of oligarchs to gain access to unlimited power and wealth is winning. 'Anyone' would take that meeting, right?

...making your cabinet bow to you in front of cameras is winning

Anytime he 'gets over' on someone in any way, he feels he is winning. A natural fit for a show about firing underlings. A natural fit for a slumlord.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
28. And the people who call the D party fascists, a poster here has said that on another thread,
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:04 PM
Mar 2018

they are directly responsible for the fucking hell we are in now.

I consider them traitors.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
8. As long as that jackass in the Kremlin is still there, we aren't safe.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:45 AM
Mar 2018

He is *THE* terrorist in charge. No elections anywhere are safe. It happened in Turkey, in the Philippines, the UK, he tried to meddle in France and Germany, and of course he gave us Trump. And now he's got Italy in his cross hairs. And he wins by stroking the egos and fears of the worst among us through the use of social media and targeted advertising.

Something has to be done about this mad man. I wish we could do to him what we did to Saddam. Until someone has the guts to stand up to him, things are going to get worse.

DV1

(34 posts)
9. Yes . . .
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:46 AM
Mar 2018

Yes, it matters. It all depends to what extent you're willing to defend and uphold what you believe in.

We still have dialogue, and that's good. But history has shown what happened when dialogue ended. Then you have to revise your definition of extent.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
11. Sometimes it takes an extreme rule breaker
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:32 PM
Mar 2018

To make everyone else realize why there are rules. As long as we survive the next couple years Trumpism will be the best thing to happen for progress in a long time. We may be living in a much more progressive world in the near future thanks to people waking up and realizing how important voting is. America is getting ready to see karma at its finest and I think a lot of the country could benefit from witnessing the chaos.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
12. Not to mention colluding and conspiring
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:32 PM
Mar 2018

With a long-term enemy of the US. That used to be called treason.

Long live Mueller! Our hope for eradicating this diseased man and his administration from any control.

The RWers aren't going to change - they and their party are hopelessly tied to greed and the corruption that comes with it. They're brainwashed idiots.





Taraman

(373 posts)
20. Oh, there are rules to live by, if you want to be happy
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:52 PM
Mar 2018

Actions matter.

I actually feel sorry for Trump most of the time. He's a couple of years older than me, but doesn't look well at all. He may only have a couple of years left in his life. He's at a time when he should be making things right, but he's doubling down. It will cost him.

He seems like a very unhappy man. It will only get worse,

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
32. I've no pity or compassion for a person
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:34 PM
Mar 2018

Who knowingly is causing so much damage and pain to millions of people. He has cheated himself up every ladder he's "climbed." He and his enablers are destroying our democracy. He is indirectly responsible for the murdered Russian in the UK. Etc.

Sorry.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
22. We will get what we settle for.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:56 PM
Mar 2018

If decency and integrity and honesty mean nothing, then that is what we will become.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
30. Once Trump is gone ...
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:10 PM
Mar 2018

we have to make sure no one forgets how he tried to destroy our country and how the Republicans supported and defended him all the way along.

The Trumplicans must be forced to wear the albatross of Donald Trump around their neck forever.

maxsolomon

(33,338 posts)
31. H20 Man said it best: Trump is a Degenerate
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:22 PM
Mar 2018

He has zero Ethics. His "genius" is to realize that "unspoken rules" (show your tax returns, tell the truth) aren't rules at all.

All that matters is Power. The ethics of how you got it are irrelevant. The GOP knows this, Dems don't want to accept it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
34. Nihilism.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 02:56 PM
Mar 2018

a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless
Nihilism is a condition in which all ultimate values lose their value. —Ronald H. Nash
b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
2 a : a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility
b capitalized : the program of a 19th century Russian party advocating revolutionary reform and using terrorism and assassination

See the Russian connection? I think that could be where we are headed if Trump isn't stopped. We have already lost our respect for the rule of law and the belief in traditional values and beliefs. It's not much of a stretch to think that we couldn't be headed toward a dictatorial nightmare if Trump isn't removed soon.

PufPuf23

(8,775 posts)
37. The American Ideal of my childhood and youth died with the selection of 2000.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 03:14 PM
Mar 2018

All else has been the result of that day.

POTUS Obama was a flicker of light.

There always has been a dark side to the USA alas but the Republic could be on its last stand now.

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