Bernie doesn't seem to love Beto

[EffieBlack]

Link to tweet

[bettyellen]

1. This grumpy disapproving grandpa act is such bullshit. Go away Bernie.

[ellie]

41. Thank you!

[Tipperary]

73. Yes indeed. I actually think he cannot handle the fact he is no longer a young man.

Pretty sad.

[stonecutter357]

130. +1000

[Maven]

2. Great! Bernie is irrelevant to actual Democrats and his endorsement is the kiss of death. nt

[Historic NY]

3. Sander - Turner are only in it for themselves....

is a separatist movement.

[dalton99a]

98. Celebrity cults are highly profitable

[TexasTowelie]

102. It was a fund raising event for Our Revolution.

While the rally was free, Our Revolution was asking for a $5 donation according to the report in the Lubbock Avalanche Journal prior to the event.

[dalton99a]

112. +1. It's time to ride the blue wave and catch some of that cash

for His Revolution

[demosincebirth]

4. I thought you just had to be a democrat. Now,you gotta be a progresive too?

[rgbecker]

5. How do YOU decide between two Democrats in a primary election....

Or do you stay home until the general election so you don't have to think about it?

[Blue_true]

43. O'Rourke is NOT in a primary. He IS facing Ted Cruz.

Does Bernie prefer Cruz?

[comradebillyboy]

63. Probably so

[yellowdogintexas]

68. Beto won the primary and in a huge way! Eduardo is scared too

Beto is the real deal. Just in case you didn't know, one of the things he has been doing all year is holding Congressional town halls in the Congressional Districts where incumbents will not hold them. (my district for example) He held a town hall last summer in Fort Worth and 600 people showed up - we had a week's notice, the venue had to be changed at the last minute, we ended up in a place which charges for parking and there were still 600 people there,

His last opponent could never have done that.

[Blue_true]

71. I just don't understand why Bernie can't put in a good word.

Even if he is there to endorse someone else. I hope Bernie is not meddling in the runoff, if he is, that may be why he shunned O'Rourke, Beto may have voiced support for the other candidate, or stayed neutral (my preference by politicians in primaries, let voters decide who wins).

[demosincebirth]

137. I'll vote for the one sticks to the core values

Of the Democratic Party

[Ninsianna]

135. Nope, being a progressive is not enough. You must bend the knee and kiss Bernie's ring.

Well, really only the two latter things, Heath Mello showed you could be a rabud far right winger, and still get Betnie's blessing.

[4now]

6. Attacking Democrats from the left is his only job

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. It is a FACT that it is one of the things he likes to do

that is a provable, undeniable fact.

Now people should ask themselves WHY!

[melman]

18. Why don't you go ahead and tell us why

Instead of doing your usual routine why don't you just go ahead an SAY it.

[RandomAccess]

32. What, is he a Russian asset or something?

I'm so sick of the Bernie hatred at DU.

[Generic Brad]

88. I'm sick of Bernie's hatred of Democrats

Whatever his reasons, his actions and words are not supporting the Democratic party.

[emulatorloo]

104. Hyperbolic deflection. Bottom line: Did Bernie endorse Beto O'Rourke or not?

[RandomAccess]

106. Nonsense. It's not a deflection at all

I want an answer to the innuendo against Sanders in Eliot Rosewater's post.

YOUR post is a deflection from that. Try to follow along.

[emulatorloo]

113. You best develop a thicker skin. No free pass for Bernie in 2020 like 2016

Bernie primary supporter 2016 here. You need to get used to the fact he is going to have to answer hard questions this time about policy implementation and various gaffes he’s made (blaming Clinton for not stopping Russian Bots from supporting his campaign.). His apparent lack of financial transparency, his dark money super-pac, the apparent nepotism in using our donations to pay Jane, Carolina, and Levi salaries on his campaign.

Hard questions aren’t just going to come from DU’ers. I doubt Biden or other competitors are going to be as nice to Bernie as HRC was. There is not going to be a Sanders coronation and the sooner you face the fact that you are going to have the help Bernie earn votes the better.

There are rumblings from the progressive voices at alternet as well. A heads up:

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/progressives-can-do-better-bernie-sanders-duplicitous-democratic-socialism

Progressives Can Do Better Than Bernie Sanders' Duplicitous 'Democratic Socialism'
The senator's willful misuse of language points to a larger problem with his politics.
By Chris Sosa / AlterNet March 8, 2018, 5:57 PM GMT

<snip>

This self-described democratic socialist was borrowing language from a political theory he wasn't actually espousing to discredit his opponents. Democratic socialism is, in the broadest possible sense, a political theory that embraces state-ownership of the means of production alongside a democratic political structure. This is not Sanders' stated position at all, nor has it ever appeared to be.

Sanders barked about an alleged “revolution” of democratic socialism for PR purposes but actually offered a lip-service-left version of what the Democratic Party was already supporting. He's never been interested in actual democratic socialism so much as claiming it for himself to foment an unearned sense of moral superiority over Democrats.

This would seem a minor offense were it not for the fact that Sanders used this positioning as a polemic device to batter the party whose name and ideas he was actually embracing while all of America watched a dangerous demagogue eat the Republican Party and march into the White House. That Sanders won't take responsibility for how his team handled Russia's support of his own candidacy to destroy Clinton further illustrates the problem of his self-interest.

<much more at link>

[RandomAccess]

114. YOU best figure out who the hell you're fighting --

You're trying to drag me into a discussion that is completely off-topic from what I said. TOUGH. You're on your fucking own.

TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG hereafter. Follow the ACTUAL comments, not something you dreamed up.

Or must I block you?

[emulatorloo]

119. Its totally on topic, you are just uncomfortable with the fact Bernie will get tough questions

from here on out. You aren’t going to be able to shut that down by attempting to intimidate people.

He’s going to have to answer them. And as his advocates, Sanders supporters are going to have to help him out.

If Bernie makes a shit vote, refuses to endorse a Democrat like Beto, or says something dumb and then gets super defensive about it, he will be subject to constructive criticism as is any other Democratic politician.

By all means block if it makes you feel safer.

[RandomAccess]

120. It's not an issue of "safer."

It's an issue of the FACT that I asked Eliot Rosewater to specify exactly what he meant by his comment "Now people should ask themselves WHY!"

YOU insist on trying to drag me into a discussion that has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with my post and make me responsible to YOU for nonsense-shit YOU want to dredge up. I am NOT going to play that stupid game. Go fucking pound sand.

ETA: And ANY response to this beyond an acknowledgement of Yes, you DON'T get it, gets you on ignore. I don't need this shit in my life.

[emulatorloo]

121. Thats a hell of a lot of projection.

If you need a bubble where no own asks tough questions about Bernie, I’d suggest the bowels of Reddit.

The last thing I’ll note is that it is bad form on DU to publically announce you are going to ignore someone.

If you want to ignore someone, just do it. Don’t announce it. Democratic Underground isn’t Junior High.

If your “threat” is supposed to intimidate me, you have failed miserably.

[EffieBlack]

128. :-)

[stonecutter357]

133. +1000

[stonecutter357]

131. LOL WHY ARE screaming ?

[stonecutter357]

132. block me too .

[LanternWaste]

124. The important thing is you focus on your interpretation of a single post

The important thing is you focus on your own interpretation of a single post rather than the sentiment, the premise and the direction of the thread as a whole.

I can certainly empathize with your choice, as the former allows for self-validation while the latter could actually compel one to reexamine their own bias and narratives.

Deflection, indeed...

[RandomAccess]

127. Okay, I guess you win too -- same as my other antagonist. Bye.

[emulatorloo]

129. Perhaps some self-examination is in order, rather than hiding behind ignore

[Blue_true]

44. Ask why.

Especially after he said that we should work to understand deplorables. What don't Bernie get?

[R B Garr]

83. Thank you! Asking why Bernie is undermining Democrats

should be something he should have been forced to answer a long, long time ago. It is not up to good Democrats nationally to be subject to his whims. He is nothing but divisive.

[Eliot Rosewater]

96. Indeed.

[emulatorloo]

123. I believe it is about branding and PR

It is his version of “I alone can fix it”.

An article I posted above from alternet notes that Bernie supports mainstream Democratic policy. But his rhetoric is designed to project some kind of moral superiority over Democrats.

Getting the link and relevant quotes

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/progressives-can-do-better-bernie-sanders-duplicitous-democratic-socialism

Progressives Can Do Better Than Bernie Sanders' Duplicitous 'Democratic Socialism'
The senator's willful misuse of language points to a larger problem with his politics.
By Chris Sosa / AlterNet March 8, 2018, 5:57 PM GMT

<snip>

This self-described democratic socialist was borrowing language from a political theory he wasn't actually espousing to discredit his opponents. Democratic socialism is, in the broadest possible sense, a political theory that embraces state-ownership of the means of production alongside a democratic political structure. This is not Sanders' stated position at all, nor has it ever appeared to be.

Sanders barked about an alleged “revolution” of democratic socialism for PR purposes but actually offered a lip-service-left version of what the Democratic Party was already supporting. He's never been interested in actual democratic socialism so much as claiming it for himself to foment an unearned sense of moral superiority over Democrats.

This would seem a minor offense were it not for the fact that Sanders used this positioning as a polemic device to batter the party whose name and ideas he was actually embracing while all of America watched a dangerous demagogue eat the Republican Party and march into the White House.


<more at link>

[RandomAccess]

95. You've been asked several times what your

inference is -- isn't it time to respond??

[emulatorloo]

122. No one owes you anything n/t

[LanternWaste]

126. Confusing 'infer' and 'imply' weakens your arguments.

Confusing 'infer' and 'imply' weakens your arguments; much as confusing 'throw' and 'catch' weakens and reduces a discussion of baseball.

Grammar, much like you, also says, "try to follow along. Or must I block you...?"

[Ninsianna]

136. He's punching left, his attacks on several candidates show it's not about issues or idealism.

[CentralMass]

7. From what you posted would they want his endorsement ?

You all Sanders so much and continually mention his "leftist" ways.

[Me.]

8. So Is He Backing Cruz?

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Someone needs to ask him that, actually.

[FakeNoose]

20. Going out on a limb here

Are you saying this because Bernie takes money from the NRA? That would be my guess.

Maybe the NRA doesn't want to hear Bernie say anything bad about their boy Ted Cruz. It's a possibility, but I don't know if that's your meaning.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210257890

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. Hadnt thought of that, but yes, partly. Personally I dont think my agenda and his is the same, at

all

[aikoaiko]

23. That's not accurate to say Bernie takes money from the NRA

If you dig a little deeper in the referenced article you'll see that the donor list is a group of organizations categorized as gun rights groups.

When you look under the NRA specifically in OpenSecrets you'll see that Bernie did not receive donations from the NRA.

It's understandable that you might make this error because there are a lot of people who tried to blur the lines.

[RandomAccess]

33. And others who are so blinded by their Bernie hatred that they don't

mind spreading false information, innuendo and outright lies.

[George II]

87. What information is "false", and where are the "outright lies"? No candidate....

....Democratic, republican, or independent, gets money directly from the NRA. There are other ways for them or any other group to get money to candidates, and their are other ways for the NRA and other groups can support a candidate.

I see this expression "Bernie hatred" used over and over again, generally in discussions where people don't fall over on themselves praising Sanders.

[RandomAccess]

97. I don't care if people praise Bernie or not --

that's not my thing. And frankly my issue isn't the NRA argument either -- I don't think he's taken any money recently, and I haven't a clue what your yammering about on the subject. To my knowledge, his closest affiliation with the NRA was years ago. But whatever.

What I am referring to in the term Bernie Hatred is all the hostile, divisive, ugly, villifying, spiteful rhetoric against him on this site. I don't think he's perfect and I have some of my own complaints, but he's NOT the reason Clinton lost, and there's no way in hell he deserves the opprobrium he gets here. The complaint that he's not a Democrat is the most specious of all. He's more Democrat than some of our registered Dems. (Joe Manchn springs immediately to mind. but he's not the only one.)

And for anyone who doesn't find it divisive, I'd suggest they do a thought experiment when they run across any anti-Sanders comment (or are about to make their own): How would I, as a Clinton supporter, feel if that comment or one like it were said about her? If they're honest with themselves, they'll admit that they'd feel alienated, pushed away and unwelcome.

If that's what you want among Democrats who should be voting in November, by all means carry on. As for me, it begins to feel like ya'll think you can do just fine without me. Makes me feel less interested in trying to help locally, or contribute financially and in other ways. If that's okay with you, congratulations, you're helping Russia and Putin. WELL DONE!

There's another thing going on here, I think. Tribalism. The board is pro-Clinton -- and that's fine and as it should be -- but I think people rather too enjoy being able to trounce on Bernie supporters with the full backing of the owners. I think it's misplaced anger as well (see above: Bernie didn't cause Clinton's loss).

I've posted this before, but I'll do it again: more on why Clinton lost --

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691

Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit

Link to tweet

[Blue_true]

45. "Gun rights groups" LOL, LOL.

A skunk by any other name is still a skunk. A serious gun group that wants sane restrictions on guns would call itself something else so as to not be misunderstood.

[aikoaiko]

58. Can't you smell that smell...that skunk smell that is around you.

But more to the point, if you think gun rights groups smell like skunks then the smell of skunk you smell may not be coming from Bernie alone.

Lookie who received over twice as much as Bernie from those skunkified groups.

[IMG][/IMG]

Less snarkily, I really just wanted to say that there are sane gun rights groups out there like the Liberal Gun Club.

[Jim Lane]

62. Then pray enlighten us, O wise one.

You write, "A serious gun group that wants sane restrictions on guns would call itself something else so as to not be misunderstood."

So, what did it call itself?

See, the term "gun rights groups" wasn't the name picked by any of the groups. It was a characterization by the renowned Democratic stalwarts at ... Dow Jones and Company. Yeah, that's a great source for objective information about a democratic socialist.

It's clear that this whopping $11k did not come from the NRA. Therefore, I took a very quick look to see if I could find out what group(s) did contribute it. I came up empty. You, however, appear to know the answer, because you make an assertion about what the group does call itself.

To give a hypothetical example: An organization called the Vermont Sportsmen's Alliance (which I just made up) advocates for preservation of open space that's suitable for hunters and anglers. (In real life, it's not uncommon that the "hook-and-bullet crowd" allies with environmentalists on some such issues.) VSA supports handgun control, background checks, and a ban on assault weapons, but states that a responsible adult who obtains a hunting license should be allowed to own a rifle. VSA is therefore characterized by Dow Jones as a "gun-rights group" whether VSA likes it or not. VSA gave Bernie money because he's pro-environment.

Let me reiterate that the preceding paragraph is entirely fictional (except, ironically, for the parenthetical sentence, which is true). But, you see, I'm not the one pretending to knowledge about the source of the $11k.

[Jim Lane]

56. Read the thread you yourself linked. This smear was thoroughly debunked.

Bernie has not taken one penny from the NRA.

[R B Garr]

84. This is what should be asked!

He needs to be held accountable for a change.

[Exotica]

11. THANK YOU!!, you were faster typing than me, she is GREAT

[TreasonousBastard]

17. You're welcome. I had no idea who she was until I started digging around and what I found...

fascinated me.

If everything I read is true, or even most of it, she is part of a new wave of politicians.

[Exotica]

19. the rad left hates her with a passion, I am sure they will try some ratfuckery

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Because she's voted with Trump over half the time, more than one Republican?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/

Sinema 54.5% votes with Trump; Walter B. Jones 52.6%. She's the 3rd most pro-Trump Dem in the House (Collin Peterson and Henry Cuellar are worse; they're the only 3 above 50%).

You don't have to be 'rad left' to find that disturbing. Just sane.

[Exotica]

30. the vast majority of those were process votes or non controversial

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/kyrsten-sinema/

go read all the votes


She is pro/choice, pro gun control, and

here is her on other issues

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Kyrsten_Sinema.htm

Kyrsten Sinema on Immigration

Mass deportations are not an option; support the DREAM Act
Sinema supports a comprehensive approach that increases resources to ensure our border is safe and secure, creates a market-based solution that meets the demand for skilled and unskilled labor in our country, and settles the status of millions of undocumented workers in our country. Mass deportations are not an option--not only would the cost to taxpayers be astronomical, but it would be unfair and inhumane to many families. Sinema believes instead that we need to create a tough but fair path to citizenship for undocumented workers that requires them to get right with the law by paying back taxes, paying a fine and learning English as a condition of gaining citizenship. She has also stood up against politicians who have targeted immigrants with unfair efforts that go too far.

Sinema is also proud to support the DREAM Act. She believes that children who came here through no fault of their own, speak English and think of themselves as American should be allowed to become American citizens.


Include gender identity in anti-discrimination laws

Sinema indicates support of the following principles regarding employment.
Increase state funds to provide child care for children in low-income working families.
Include sexual orientation in Arizona's anti-discrimination laws.
Sinema adds, "and gender identity".

Enforce against anti-gay discrimination in public schools.
Sinema co-sponsored Student Non-Discrimination Act


Prohibits public school students from being excluded from participating in, or subject to discrimination under, any federally-assisted educational program on the basis of their actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity or that of their associates.
Considers harassment to be a form of discrimination.
Prohibits retaliation against anyone for opposing conduct made unlawful under this Act.
Authorizes federal departments and agencies to enforce these prohibitions by cutting off the educational assistance of recipients found to be violating them.
Allows an aggrieved individual to assert a violation of this Act in a judicial proceeding and recover reasonable attorney's fees should they prevail.

Enforce against wage discrimination based on gender.
Sinema co-sponsored Paycheck Fairness Act


Women have entered the workforce in record numbers over the past 50 years.
Despite the enactment of the Equal Pay Act in 1963, many women continue to earn significantly lower pay than men for equal work. These pay disparities exist in both the private and governmental sectors. In many instances, the pay disparities can only be due to continued intentional discrimination or the lingering effects of past discrimination.
The existence of such pay disparities depresses the wages of working families who rely on the wages of all members of the family to make ends meet; and undermines women's retirement security.
Artificial barriers to the elimination of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex continue to exist decades after the enactment of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. These barriers have resulted because the Equal Pay Act has not worked as Congress originally intended.
The Department of Labor and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission have important and unique responsibilities to help ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work.
The Department of Labor is responsible for investigating and prosecuting equal pay violations, especially systemic violations, and in enforcing all of its mandates.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is the primary enforcement agency for claims made under the Equal Pay Act.
With a stronger commitment [to enforcement], increased information on wage data and more effective remedies, women will be better able to recognize and enforce their rights.
Certain employers have already made great strides in eradicating unfair pay disparities in the workplace and their achievements should be recognized.


Decriminalize marijuana possession
Implement penalties other than incarceration for certain non-violent offenders.

Decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana.
Support the restriction of the sale of products used to make methamphetamine (e.g. tablets containing pseudophedrine, ephedrine and phenylpropanolamine).

Supports background checks, gun licenses, and enforcement
Sinema indicates support of the following principles regarding guns.

Maintain and strengthen the enforcement of existing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
Require background checks on gun sales between private citizens at gun shows.
Require a license for gun possession.

Opposes repealing ObamaCare.
Sinema opposes the PVS survey question on ObamaCare

Project Vote Smart infers candidate issue stances on key topics by summarizing public speeches and public statements. Congressional candidates are given the opportunity to respond in detail; about 11% did so in the 2012 races.

Project Vote Smart summarizes candidate stances on the following topic: 'Health Care: Do you support repealing the 2010 Affordable Care Act?'




she sounds just like Trump! NOT

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. And yet the vast majority of other Democrats have voted nowhere near that much on Trump's side

• In May, she voted to pass the Thin Blue Line Act, which makes it easier for prosecutors to seek the death penalty for people who kill, or attempt to kill, first responders. (Todd Cox, the policy director for the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, has written extensively about why this kind of legislation is so counterproductive.)

• In June, she voted for the Verify First Act, a bill designed to prevent people from accessing health care through the Affordable Care Act until their citizenship status had been verified. Other Democrats in Congress, such as Texas' Beto O'Rourke, warned that it would just end up making it take that much longer for people in need — especially newly arrived immigrants — to get health insurance.

• In July, she not only supported the anti-immigrant garbage known as "Kate's Law," but also voted in favor of the Make America Secure Appropriations Act, which included $1.6 billion in funding for the border wall.

• Then, just this past week, she joined Republicans in voting for the Criminal Alien Gang Member Removal Act, which the ACLU warns will give the Trump administration the ability to detain and deport non-citizens solely because they live in an immigrant neighborhood considered to be "gang-affiliated." (MALDEF described the bill as being "in keeping with the very worst traditions in nativist lawmaking.&quot
...
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/kyrsten-sinemas-voting-record-immigration-refugees-health-care-ada-9682545

(more worrying examples there than can fit in the 4 paragraph limit)

[Exotica]

36. I still support her, and she is going to be the Democratic nominee, so by all means

apply purity tests and tear on her, rip her to shreds and watch a monster like Arpio or Ward win.

[GaryCnf]

60. Oh but you must listen

Those are just meaningless votes . . . who cares if we execute some more poor sick people, or deport people for being too poor to leave a bad neighborhood, after all, how can that be as important as . . .

And Bernie is the problem?

[Exotica]

66. So vote for another person in the primary

Sinema has been endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, Emily's List, Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, Planned Parenthood, etc. I trust their judgements.

[yellowdogintexas]

69. I also trust the judgement of Marc Veasey TX 33 who held a fundraiser in Fort Worth for her

They came in to Congress together. Marc is pretty liberal and if he respects her enough to hold a fundraiser on his home turf that says a lot to me. He thinks she will win.

I would vote for my daughter's dog to keep either of those Republicans out of the US Senate. (said dog is in Arizona 9)

OF course I'd vote for my cat against Cruz. Fortunately I don't have to: I have BETO.

[GaryCnf]

75. It's unfortunate that those organizations

Value intersectionality so little that they would endorse a candidate so willing to throw black and brown people under the bus (to the point of sacrificing such people's very lives) to further their individual agendas. We must have a very thin list of candidates out there OR some Democratic constituencies just don't count as much to them.

Ricky Rector thanks you.

[Blue_true]

49. Great, issue by issue analysis.

But when people want to assassinate a person's character and record, facts mean diddly crap to them. Remember what happened to one honorable Hillary R. Clinton?

[ProudLib72]

31. Ummmm, two words that cannot exist in the same sentence

"pro-tRump" and "Democrat".

[Exotica]

38. she is NOT pro-Trump, that is patently ridiculous

[Exotica]

10. I love Kyrsten Sinema, and we SO need her to win in AZ in 2018 if we have any chance

of taking back the Senate. The separatist extreme left is already doing all they can to play wrecker. Sinema WILL, 99% be the Democratic nominee, so Sanders needs to get off his arse and get out and campaign for her. Especially if the neo nazi fucker Joe Arpaio is the Republican opponent. If he goes full anti her, he can ruin our chances overall.

I am REALLY getting sick of these far left snake oil salespeople. I do not buy for a second that they care about winning, I think they only care about trying to make a point and see their name in print.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

116. But she isn't the nominee yet

So people are free to back the Dem they want to get win the primary, right? I mean, that's still a thing, right?

And the fact that so many are shitting on progressives on DU right now is just troublesome.

[Exotica]

118. she is by far the favourite, but as I stated before, people are (obviously) free to support anyone

These are the Democratic candidates atm


along with net cash on hand atm per https://www.fec.gov/data/

Deedra Abboud - Attorney $1,848.00
Bob Bishop $0
Cheryl Fowler $0
Chris Russell - Attorney -$4,077.00 (in net debt)
Richard Sherzan $0
Kyrsten Sinema - U.S. Rep $5,149,035.00

Sinema has received all the major endorsements so, and she is the only one with real money (an unfortunate component of the US electoral system) in her campaign chest.

[QC]

13. Did O'Rourke ask for Sanders to campaign for him? n/t

[yellowdogintexas]

70. highly doubtful. nt

[UTUSN]

25. So... he prefers Cruz. Keeping the faith.

[DavidDvorkin]

26. He refuses to share the spotlight.

[JNelson6563]

27. Yeah, fuck that cute, attention grabbing

Candidate, being all positive and sunny.

lol

I have to say some of his devotees in my neck of the woods are getting just as surly & mean girly.

[LonePirate]

28. If he won't support Democrats, why should we support Sanders?

[RandomAccess]

34. No one here is --

what's your point?

[Gothmog]

29. Who is surprised by this?

I met Beto as the National Convention and at two or three other events.

It is a long shot but I have hope that he can defeat the Zodiac Killer

[duforsure]

37. Bernie is screwing up again

And dividing the party

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. If I were Beto, I'd thank the Gods. That endorsement would be the kiss of death in the South. n/t

[Progressive dog]

40. If a Republican gets replaced by a Democrat

that's a big change for the better.
Maybe Bernie should move to one of those states and let another "progressive" have the easy win in Vermont.

[Blue_true]

42. Contrast Bernie to Joe Biden.

Biden campaigns for any democrat that ask for his help.

Remember that if it is Bernie vs Joe in the democratic primary in 2020.

[GulfCoast66]

46. The irony is that he would be hidden on DU!

We agree to support Democratic candidates when we sign up.

[Ace Rothstein]

50. Just your daily Bernie hating thread.

This place is going off the deep end.

[snort]

52. It's divisive bullshit.

Idiots.

[Jim Lane]

55. I must respectfully disagree with you.

This dumpster fire of a thread is below even the Bernie-bashers' usual low standards.

As for "This place is going off the deep end," well, I think you're being rather charitable in your choice of verb tense. The present perfect comes to mind.

[QC]

54. Perhaps not functional. n/t

[leftstreet]

57. +1

Thank you!

And also...

Maybe some nationally prominent Democrat who got millions of votes in last year's primaries, and who doesn't currently hold public office should be asked why she isn't holding 500 rallies?

[ornotna]

48. Do we know who has endorsed Beto O'Rourke?

This is all I could find.


End Citizens United
Equality Texas
J Street PAC
League of Conservation Voters
MoveOn.org Political Action
National Education Association
Texas AFL-CIO

[Blue_true]

51. I bet that if any democrat is asked the question Bernie was asked.

That democrat would likely say "I am here to campaign for X and Y, but Beto O'Rourke is an excellent Congressman and will make an exceptional US Senator for Texas".

[BannonsLiver]

74. Exactly, and that Bernie cant manage that says a lot about him

That’s boilerplate shit for any politician. I get the feeling Bernie doesn’t care who wins that race TBH.

[dalton99a]

99. +1

[lapucelle]

89. Here are the organizations that endorsed Beto in the primary.

Now that he'll be the Democratic candidate for Senate in the general election, I would assume that more endorsements will be forthcoming.

Newspapers
Houston Chronicle
The Dallas Morning News

Organizations
End Citizens United
Equality Texas
Houston GLBT Political Caucus
J Street PAC
League of Conservation Voters
MoveOn.org Political Action
National Education Association
Stonewall Democrats of Dallas
Stonewall Democrats of San Antonio
Texas AFL-CIO

I'd love to see Barack and Bill go on the road together with a national outreach tour for Democratic candidates.



(Sorry, I couldn't resist. That's a fun gif)

[ornotna]

91. Thanks for the update

Not many many legislators past or present on that list.

Enjoy the gif, I have been for years now.

[hfojvt]

53. that title just cracks me up

but it is a very inside joke. BETO!!!!

[diva77]

61. The tweet does not give a link or source for what is written. Do you have a link or more of

whatever article it came from in order to give context?

[muriel_volestrangler]

81. A Politico article

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/09/bernie-sanders-trump-country-red-states-2020-448708

[NastyRiffraff]

64. Good. Who wants his endorsement?

The majority of "his" candidates have lost. He's the kiss of death to good DEMOCRATS. I wish he'd just STFU.

[lapucelle]

65. If only we had an Outreach Chair... N/T

[betsuni]

79. Good one.

[R B Garr]

85. LMAO!

Touché!

[lapucelle]

90. ,,,

[Cha]

103. omg.. that's right. Why don't

we actually get one?

[hurl]

67. Not surprising

Beto was definitely NOT the "Our Revolution" Democratic candidate running against Cruz. Sema Hernandez was.

While Beto focused more on Republicans and their policies, Sema had almost as much negativity about Democrats as Republicans. She reminds me of Nina Turner in that regard.

I suspect Sema was Bernie's preference, which is why he doesn't love Beto.

[BannonsLiver]

72. Beto must not have shown sufficient deference to Bernie

That’s okay. I’m in a neighboring state and I can feel Beto’s grass roots support from here.

[redstateblues]

76. Bernie has no clue how to turn a deep red state blue

In a deep red state like Texas or my state, TN, Bernie would be a heavy drag in any state wide election.

[GaryCnf]

82. Friend, I live in Tennessee too (Memphis)

And you can't name a national Democratic Party figure who wouldn't be a heavy, if not a heavier, drag in Tennessee. That includes any of the party's moderate icons.

[Afromania]

77. Every few days he makes me ashamed I supported him in the primaries.

He's been a sour ass loser since he lost; complaining the entire way. Attacking his "allies" at every turn while simultaneously wanting to use their framework to make a bid for president.

He's nearing 80 and "now" Sanders has decided he's "the one". Leaders know how to lead and support their allies. Sanders has made it clear that he doesn't support anybody but himself and it feels like instead of doing it out of hand. He's trying to set himself up as some sort of contrarian king maker for the left.

[Cha]

86. I'm so glad somebody

can see that.

Mahalo Afromania

[JCanete]

78. "this is a disgrace..." whatever. Why should he or anydbody simply endorse any candidate with a D

behind their name? That devalues the endorsement because clearly it is a given. it is something that requires nothing more to be achieved than that you are a candidate who has a d behind your name. If that is how a person determines whether or not he is going to specifically put his name to your campaign, then what good is that name?

[DFW]

92. When taken out of this context, that is a very fair question. It certainly applied to me

The very first time I voted, I voted for a Republican. Proudly. Given the choice I had then, I would do it over again. I was living in Philadelphia, and the Democratic machine nominated the thoroughly corrupt (and inept) brutal lout of a police commissioner, Frank Rizzo. The Republicans nominated a mild-mannered milquetoast administrator named Thatcher Longstreth. Rizzo won, promptly switched to Republican, went down to DC and hung with Nixon.

However, in Beto O'Rourke's case, we have a solid, perfect-for-Texas Democrat who is as deserving of the support of the National Party and the DNC as any Senate candidate we have fielded in the State in a while. Sanders not being a Democrat, I don't see why he should get involved in our primary there, but once the nominee is decided, if Sanders ignores THAT, then the question Texas Democrats raise is "then what good are ya?"

Sanders doesn't have to endorse Cruz to make himself irrelevant. It would be enough to ignore O'Rourke.

[JCanete]

94. Sanders has defined his brand specifically around certain issues. The people who share those

issues as paramount need to trust that when he publically endorses somebody those issues are at the forefront of that persons' campaign. That makes sense to me.

Further, why shouldn't he get involved if the candidates running want him to be there? Don't they have every right to invite whoever they want to support them? Isn't this what other politicians do? Isn't this what Boxer and Biden did, when they went and campaigned for Lieberman in Connecticut against Lamont? Helll of a payoff that was...

The fact that Sanders is not officially at this time a democrat has no meaning to me as to whether or not he should do this.

[TexasTowelie]

107. That's odd.

After reviewing this article from 2017, it looks like the name "Sanders" could be used interchangeably with "O'Rourke" throughout most of the article, particularly with respect to policy issues.

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/13/democrat-beto-orourke-takes-bernie-sanders-fundraising-model-local-in-run-at-ted-cruz/

I can also recall some articles from last year in which O'Rourke described himself as a Bernie-like candidate. I took note of that because it was before Castro decided not to run and I expected a competitive primary for the Senate.

I don't understand why Bernie would not endorse Beto unless he was asked not to. Whether Bernie withheld his endorsement or he was requested not to endorse is a question that will most likely never be answered, but the optics don't look good.

[JCanete]

108. That is very interesting. I'm certainly curious. TYT has given

.
O'Rourke airtime for his refusal to take corporate money on a quick search, so there is certainly left-wing support there.

It very well may be that it was determined that an endorsement by Sanders would not be favorable for O'Rourke. Politics is politics and I would say the trickiest thing about people calling themselves berniecrats as an example, is that it makes them seem like they are riding a wave and not standing on their own merits. I myself am sometimes wary of it, even as a Sanders fan.

[Arazi]

80. Not getting any Schumer, Biden, Hillary, Warren, Pelosi etc love either

But carry on with the daily Bernie smear. Gotta always single him out obviously

[EffieBlack]

93. Poor, poor Bernie

With all those mean, mean Democrats picking on him. Don’t they know he’s the only politician in the country allowed to throw as much shade as he wants (proof to the cult of how totally awesome he is) but cannot ever be criticized?

[Arazi]

100. Lol, riiight. Your OP was slamming Bernie for not endorsing Beto

Just pointing out there's no other prominent Dems throwing themselves on Beto either which you and the other Bernie haters have deliberately decided to ignore.

It's so transparent

[JCanete]

109. that's kind of a dumb comment. I'm sure he'll survive, but it doesn't excuse us for behaving this

way. Honest criticism is welcome. People have legitimate beefs and disagreements. Making up bullshit at every turn and closing ranks on it is unbecoming of us at DU. We aren't republicans. I won't support utter nonsense levied at Clinton either.

Obviously we will disagree on what utter nonsense is, but in this case, YOU, instead of defending your line of attack on Sanders, have simply tried to make a criticism of the attack about a cult of Sanderites defending him at every turn. If you can put up and make this argument a legitimate one, I suggest you do so. Otherwise, I suggest that you look inward and consider whether or not jumping on the sliming bandwagons is beneath you.

[EffieBlack]

110. Criticism isnt sliming

But thank you for proving my point.

[JCanete]

111. I said justify your criticism or reconsider.

[stonecutter357]

134. lol !

[NurseJackie]

117. Oh, good grief! What "smear" are you referring to?

80. Not getting any Schumer, Biden, Hillary, Warren, Pelosi etc love either
But carry on with the daily Bernie smear. Gotta always single him out obviously

Nobody is being "smeared" here. Nobody is being "singled-out" here. I guess my question would be "how many of those other politicians that you mentioned have gone all the way to appear in Texas 'rallies' only to 'snub' (or ignore) someone who's running against Cruz?"

PS: Just a friendly reminder: Hillary is a private citizen now. It's not clear why you mentioned her, or what you're expecting from her, or what you feel her obligations are.

[Adrahil]

101. Thought I couldn't respect him any less.

I was wrong.

[NurseJackie]

105. So strange. Very very odd.

[Dem_4_Life]

115. Hopefully this will help Beto in a way

For any people in Texas who are republicans especially that are not Bernie fans this will prove that Beto is not the scary liberal that Ted Cruz makes him out to be.

[Drunken Irishman]

125. Bernie only loves Bernie.

[Cha]

138. Thanks again, Effie..

this thread won't go anywhere but I needed to re-visit this on Beto and BS

Link to tweet

What BS said is kind of weird considering Beto is running on progressive ideals.. such as "pro pot".