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kentuck

(111,089 posts)
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:51 PM Mar 2018

Donald Trump is not a president that needs to be impeached....

...he is a criminal that needs to be imprisoned.

He is a threat to our national security, just as others have said.

It is a mistake to think that Robert Mueller can solve this crisis all by himself. His position was created by the Justice Department and they cannot divorce themselves from its success or failure. Most of all, they cannot assist in its failure. They must support the idea of justice over the rights of kings and wannabe dictators.

The House and Senate must divorce themselves from the partisanship that guides their conscience. It is not about Party - it is about the survival of our democracy.

Impeachment is not an appropriate punishment for this assault upon our republic.

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Donald Trump is not a president that needs to be impeached.... (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2018 OP
Impeached, Indicted, Imprisoned. Alliteration we call get behind. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #1
The I's of March. n/m Mr. Ected Mar 2018 #5
for an Illegitimate president dalton99a Mar 2018 #9
his presidency should be declared illegitimate so that it goes down into the history books as such onetexan Mar 2018 #31
I agree wholeheartedly. royable Mar 2018 #34
LOL RandomAccess Mar 2018 #10
Well I won the internet but not for spelling! LOL Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #12
I gave you the benefit of the doubt RandomAccess Mar 2018 #20
OMG ...dying ova here. I'm leaving that one because yeah that was on purpose. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #30
LOL RandomAccess Mar 2018 #33
How about Indicted, Impeached, Imprisoned? hedda_foil Mar 2018 #16
We can hope.... pbmus Mar 2018 #2
If we want to have a country that we can actually be proud of, shanny Mar 2018 #3
Maybe a president's ability to pardon needs to be removed? fierywoman Mar 2018 #13
Good point. shanny Mar 2018 #24
And that's why I want him impeached. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #4
His behavior is treasonous. eos triron Mar 2018 #6
Disgraced, cashiered, and convicted. DemoTex Mar 2018 #7
Tarred, feathered, and pilloried. dchill Mar 2018 #29
Hanged, drawn and quartered ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #37
Donald Trump and his crime family belong in prison. dalton99a Mar 2018 #8
Absolutely. I hope they get him on some state violations so Pence can't pardon him. Vinca Mar 2018 #11
I intuit that we are already w-a-y down that road and fierywoman Mar 2018 #14
impeach first, then ... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author madinmaryland Mar 2018 #17
No .. he is a traitor who needs to be fried crisp in an electric chair Le Gaucher Mar 2018 #18
Sadly, I believe he's there to stay his full term unless voters turn out in November. davsand Mar 2018 #19
Better hope that Pence or Ryan or any other Republican does not become the new president. Kablooie Mar 2018 #21
horse-whipped, I keep thinking.n/t librechik Mar 2018 #22
The French solved the problem trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #23
That is the best solution. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #36
I AGREE. Marie Antoinette was rich and told the poor to eat dirt trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #38
He needs both impeachment and criminal prosecution. NNadir Mar 2018 #25
Yes both are needed, so our country can heal FakeNoose Mar 2018 #35
Impeachment wouldn't undo all the damage he has done... debsy Mar 2018 #26
First he needs to be recognized duforsure Mar 2018 #27
I say the walk of shame. kydo Mar 2018 #28
Shame! Shame! Shame! Ligyron Mar 2018 #32
K&R Progressive dog Mar 2018 #39
SOB should of been locked up a long time ago. Hell I knew Emile Jan 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Jan 2022 #41

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
31. his presidency should be declared illegitimate so that it goes down into the history books as such
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 04:15 PM
Mar 2018

all the alliterations mentioned, including ILLEGITIMACY, in great detail. All the actions taken by him and his enablers on rolling back policies be declared null and void, and said policies restored back to Obama days prior to 45 to ensure we have continuity of a well-functioning government after this horrific and dark episode of history is over and done with.

royable

(1,264 posts)
34. I agree wholeheartedly.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 04:25 PM
Mar 2018

I have thought the same thing. The NEXT president should be called #45 and drumpf should be sent to prison. He should never be considered an ex-president because he never was a legitimate president

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
12. Well I won the internet but not for spelling! LOL
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:24 PM
Mar 2018

I'm going to fix that and nobody but you and me will know !!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
20. I gave you the benefit of the doubt
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:55 PM
Mar 2018


You coulda kept our little secret to yourself.

ETA: And I see your creativity knows no bounds, coming up with a new contraction -- which COULD use an apostrophe, actually: c'all
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
3. If we want to have a country that we can actually be proud of,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:58 PM
Mar 2018

there need to be consequences for illegal behavior by the rich and powerful.

Gerald Ford set a dangerous precedent when he pardoned Nixon before he could be charged or tried for anything by the justice system. Among other things it allowed Republicans to claim forever after that he was railroaded out of office by the press and his political opponents. The pattern continued with Iran-contra pardons, the torture regime of Bush and Cheney, letting the banksters off the hook, etc etc etc.

Impeaching, or simply voting out the bad actors is not enough. It is not about politics, it is about the rule of law.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
24. Good point.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:15 PM
Mar 2018

It is an open invitation to corruption and abuse, especially with tRump in office. It would take a constitutional amendment though.

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
4. And that's why I want him impeached.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:58 PM
Mar 2018

I'm concerned that the rule/tradition of not indicting a sitting president will be supported, even in this case.

My ideal plan would be to remove him from office and then "lock him up".

triron

(22,001 posts)
6. His behavior is treasonous. eos
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:05 PM
Mar 2018

I am only against capital punishment (in general). Otherwise no punishment is too severe.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
37. Hanged, drawn and quartered
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 05:47 PM
Mar 2018
To be hanged, drawn and quartered was from 1352 a statutory penalty in England for men convicted of high treason, although the ritual was first recorded during the reign of King Henry III (1216–1272). Convicts were fastened to a hurdle, or wooden panel, and drawn by horse to the place of execution, where they were hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded, and quartered (chopped into four pieces). Their remains were often displayed in prominent places across the country, such as London Bridge. For reasons of public decency, women convicted of high treason were instead burned at the stake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
15. impeach first, then ...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:33 PM
Mar 2018

After TrumPutin is impeached and removed from office, then let loose the hordes of prosecutors.


The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.

Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
[Emphasis added.]

Response to kentuck (Original post)

davsand

(13,421 posts)
19. Sadly, I believe he's there to stay his full term unless voters turn out in November.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:53 PM
Mar 2018

I honestly think the current GOP controlled Congress will never impeach or remove him. For some, he's a convenient distraction while they loot and burn the nation for their corporate masters. Some, however, I think are every bit as corrupted by foreign interests as he is. They know it ALL will come out if anybody breaks ranks and tries to remove him, and they don't want to go down with him. It's self protection to protect him. (Not gonna lie, I've wondered if there isn't a fear of personal physical safety too, but that's probably my tin foil hat that's too tight, so I try not to trot that out too often...)

The only hope we have to see him in an orange jumpsuit is taking over Congress. Frankly speaking, I wonder if even that will be enough because there is an awful lot of money at play in elections at that level. It is entirely possible that there are Dems who are compromised--some without even knowing it. With Citizens United in full force there really is no way for anybody to be safe or sure where all the money comes from.

Sorry to be a downer.


Laura

Kablooie

(18,632 posts)
21. Better hope that Pence or Ryan or any other Republican does not become the new president.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:01 PM
Mar 2018

Their first action will certainly be to pardon Trump and his confederates for everything.
They are all desperate to keep the details of treason from being exposed so this would effectively close down the investigation.

trueblue2007

(17,217 posts)
38. I AGREE. Marie Antoinette was rich and told the poor to eat dirt
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:45 PM
Mar 2018

and look what happened to her. the GOP arre telling us the same thing,

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
25. He needs both impeachment and criminal prosecution.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:18 PM
Mar 2018

Because of his ignorance, his poor mind, his absent ability to think critically, his abrasive personality this outcome is inevitable, and even if he is too stupid to recognize it himself, it is clear that those around him are understanding it increasingly.

He's coming to the point of Berlin Bunkerdom.

Impeachment is a necessary prelude to criminal indictment.

I personally believe he will die in prison, a common criminal.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
35. Yes both are needed, so our country can heal
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 04:29 PM
Mar 2018

Trump will never understand the depth/breadth of his treachery. To his dying day he'll blame other people - anyone else but himself. But you know what? I don't care. We still believe in the Constitution and most of us still love our country. We're sick of what he's done to all of us. Those who believe in the rule of law - that would be most of us - need to see this through and we need to get to work putting the country back together.

The one good thing that comes out of this is that it could lead to the destruction of the Republican Party. When people finally understand what the Trump Republicans have done to this country, that party is done.

debsy

(530 posts)
26. Impeachment wouldn't undo all the damage he has done...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:20 PM
Mar 2018

... and it would put another criminal - Mike Pence - in charge. We need to get rid of the whole lot of them, from the entire corrupt cabinet, to the actual family members benefiting from nepotism, to GOP "leadership" including Ryan and McConnell! They are all in on this thing to some degree and need to be held accountable for taking a dump on their oaths of office.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
27. First he needs to be recognized
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:26 PM
Mar 2018

For what he is, a terrorist working for another terrorist putin, and should be treated as such. He's not just a criminal, or just treasonous, he's terrorized this country and the world with putin, and helping sponsor terrorist acts by aligning with him. He's attacking all our institutions, and our judicial , and legislative branches, and helping putin do his dirty work because he's compromised. It may not be much longer before we all know it all, and it'll be so bad no one will admit they were for him. It'll be really bad the things this guy's done, and is doing.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
28. I say the walk of shame.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:28 PM
Mar 2018

Like the parade he wants, going city. Only him and all his russian mafia peeps are paraded through the streets like Cersei on Game of Thrones.





Then jail! Forever!

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
39. K&R
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 10:21 AM
Mar 2018

I hope Mueller indicts Trump for his crimes. Let his defenders in Congress learn about it in the news, just like the rest of us. Then they will be forced to choose between moving to impeach him or waiting for all the evidence to become public. That should make even those traitors pause before defending. Rats usually jump from sinking ships.

Emile

(22,714 posts)
40. SOB should of been locked up a long time ago. Hell I knew
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 07:50 AM
Jan 2022

he was a crooked con man back in the 1980's.

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