Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:39 PM
OnDoutside (16,252 posts)
Anyone travelling to America will need to submit their social media accounts before entering
I'm shocked this isn't a big international story
They'll also need to give current and previous email addresses and phone numbers. It was revealed on Thursday that the State Department in the U.S. would be seeking all visa applicants to the country to submit their social media accounts along with their visa applications. Along with this, they will also be required to submit all of their email addresses and phone numbers for the last five years. https://www.joe.ie/news/america-visa-social-media-620827
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OnDoutside | Mar 2018 | OP |
Hortensis | Mar 2018 | #1 | |
Rollo | Mar 2018 | #9 | |
Hortensis | Mar 2018 | #21 | |
hlthe2b | Mar 2018 | #2 | |
IluvPitties | Mar 2018 | #4 | |
OnDoutside | Mar 2018 | #5 | |
former9thward | Mar 2018 | #10 | |
FakeNoose | Mar 2018 | #13 | |
hlthe2b | Mar 2018 | #14 | |
FakeNoose | Mar 2018 | #16 | |
forgotmylogin | Mar 2018 | #3 | |
msongs | Mar 2018 | #6 | |
mountain grammy | Mar 2018 | #7 | |
IluvPitties | Mar 2018 | #8 | |
Tatiana | Mar 2018 | #11 | |
sdfernando | Mar 2018 | #12 | |
HipChick | Mar 2018 | #15 | |
jberryhill | Mar 2018 | #17 | |
Crunchy Frog | Mar 2018 | #18 | |
Ms. Toad | Mar 2018 | #19 | |
malaise | Mar 2018 | #20 | |
dembotoz | Mar 2018 | #22 | |
sl8 | Mar 2018 | #23 | |
Lee-Lee | Mar 2018 | #24 |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:41 PM
Hortensis (42,981 posts)
1. Give it time. This IS huge but newly proposed, not enacted.
Response to Hortensis (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:49 PM
Rollo (2,408 posts)
9. Yes, but I can see other nations, even allies, retaliating by requiring similar info from Americans.
who wish to travel on tourist visas etc...
Back in a happier time, the brightest minds in our government spent some time and energy trying to figure out how to make America less hated, not more hated. Those were the days. |
Response to Rollo (Reply #9)
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:27 AM
Hortensis (42,981 posts)
21. Yes, it's an invasion of privacy, and I don't like it either.
Call your congressman BEFORE it becomes law.
But I was suggesting the OP not complain about hearing about it by one medium and leaping to the assumption that it's not reported everywhere because the others don't care. Good media gather facts first, confirm facts and subject to editorial scrutiny, then publish. World-class media are most often the first to break stories, but if they're not they'll always at least a day or two behind those who do. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:41 PM
hlthe2b (83,248 posts)
2. So if you actually don't USE social media and don't have accounts and tell them that...
What are they going to do then?
I honestly DON'T... What the hell are they going to do with all prior email addresses and phone numbers? |
Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:45 PM
IluvPitties (3,181 posts)
4. Good question.
Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:46 PM
OnDoutside (16,252 posts)
5. A lot of countries rolled over after 2001 in sharing data with the US, so it will be interesting to
see what happens now, with a Trump white house.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:56 PM
former9thward (23,308 posts)
10. They run the phone numbers and emails against a database
of emails and phone numbers known terrorists have communicated with.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:08 PM
FakeNoose (16,668 posts)
13. Then you can't possibly be a terrorist
I'm not on Facebook and I don't have a smartphone. I do have an email address but it will tell them nothing.
They'll know I'm old, and not a terrorist. ![]() ![]() |
Response to FakeNoose (Reply #13)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:10 PM
hlthe2b (83,248 posts)
14. Unless some young whippersnapper agent refuses to believe that ANYONE does not have
social media accounts... Then I guess we are like Tom Hanks and stuck living in the airport terminal forever...
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #14)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:15 PM
FakeNoose (16,668 posts)
16. I'll bet this is Zuckerberg's idea
He's tired of seeing everyone quit his Facebook all of a sudden.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:43 PM
forgotmylogin (6,603 posts)
3. "O'er the laaaa-hand OF THE FREEEEEEEEE--!"
"And the hooooooome...of Dah--nuuuuuullllld....Truhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmp."
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:47 PM
msongs (58,817 posts)
6. US gestapo makes facebook look like amateurs nt
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:47 PM
mountain grammy (22,481 posts)
7. All visas? Tourist visas? Wow.
shutting us out.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #7)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:47 PM
IluvPitties (3,181 posts)
8. Nativism at work.
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:58 PM
Tatiana (14,167 posts)
11. Lets see what the Universities and Tourism industry have to say.
I can't believe they will accept this without a fight.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 06:00 PM
sdfernando (3,556 posts)
12. Way to tank tourism $$$
Real geniuses these cats are!
I'd advise against visiting the US. Plenty of other great places to vacation without the invasion of privacy. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:12 PM
HipChick (24,843 posts)
15. How are they going to validate email address and phones numbers?..
I've got a ton old email address and old phone number...for the life of me cannot remember the new ones..
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:47 PM
jberryhill (62,444 posts)
17. Its just to make sure they dont have any compromising pictures of Trump
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 08:14 PM
Crunchy Frog (23,175 posts)
18. This will do alot for the tourist industry.
What if you don't even remember all your past email addresses, phone numbers, or social media accounts?
I've got email addresses that I can't remember. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 08:35 PM
Ms. Toad (25,438 posts)
19. Your headline is inaccurate.
I know you got it from the article, but only individuals who require a visa to enter the country will need to submit their social media accounts.
There are 38 countries whose citizens do not require visas for short-term stays: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Australia, Brunei, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Chile. Canadian, Bermuda, Marshall Islands, Palau, and Micronesia are exempt from visas entirely I have't been able to find statistics, but I'd guess a substantial number of our tourists come from these countries. That is not to suggest this shouldn't be international news. It is horrendous, and should be challenged. But describing it as applying to "anyone traveling to America," is not even close to accurate. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 08:38 PM
malaise (223,366 posts)
20. It is here in Jamaica
and all over the Caribbean
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:34 AM
dembotoz (15,073 posts)
22. lots of people who travel to foreign lands use burner phones
for this reason
this is not as rare as you think best friend who uses her company phone left it at home when she traveled to russia...she had problems at a checkpoint because the authorities would not believe an american would travel with no phone. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:42 AM
sl8 (7,860 posts)
23. Federal Register - 60 day notice, request for public comment
From https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/30/2018-06490/60-day-notice-of-proposed-information-collection-application-for-immigrant-visa-and-alien
60-Day Notice of Proposed Information Collection: Application for Immigrant Visa and Alien Registration
A Notice by the State Department on 03/30/2018 This document has a comment period that ends in 59 days. (05/29/2018)
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:45 AM
Lee-Lee (6,324 posts)
24. This is actually probably long overdue
Note first this doesn’t apply to all countries. Many countries don’t require approval for visas for short term visits and some countries don’t require visas at all.
For anyone coming from countries where Visas are required to get a Visa you have to be interviewed by a consular officer who does a background check on you and determines your reasons for requesting a Visa are legitimate, that you are who you say you are, that you are not a risk to the country, and that you are not requesting the visa under false pretenses (like requesting a tourist visa with intention to work). Not looking at social media and online activity as part of that background check is stupid. In this day and age it’s a huge source of detail on a person you are seeking to validate as who they claim to be. |