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I was a Bernie Sanders Delegate in Philadelphia. During the primaries, I fought like hell for him because I was and am tired of the incremental changes that continue to leave enough behind that many have lost hope and removed themselves from the body politic.
Interestingly, most of my support came from Hillary Clinton supporters who ensured I became the Bernie Delegate from my Senate District in Texas and they also helped me raise funds from both Bernie and Hillary supporters. They knew that many of us supporting Bernie had real policy issues with Hillary and were much more in tune with Bernie's policies. It was not some rabid anti-Hillary or anti-woman edict for the most part.
The idea was, fight like hell in the primaries and then support the nominee whether it was Hillary or Bernie. When Hillary became the nominee, many of us fought like hell to get the Democratic Nominee elected both physically on the ground, and in blogs and diaries.
https://egbertowillies.com/2018/04/17/bernie-democrat-repair-democratic-party/
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)I do not remember you being part of Sanders delegates who marched in with locked arms to demand that the Clinton delegates condemn Hillary Clinton. That was a mess.
Were you part of the planned Sanders protest of booing Congress John Lewis? I was warned by my Clinton campaign whip of this protest 15 minutes before the booing started. This sanders delegate was planned long in advanced. I was told that Sanders was asked to stop this protest and refused. I hope that you were not part of this distastesful stunt. i know that the assholes on JPR applauded this stunt.
I will be working with Lilly and Gerry on voter protection. We had a fully staffed war room for the primary day. It is going to be a nasty campaign but we may get rid of Stan Stannart.
Do you know the idiots in the Fort Bend Our Revolution group? The head of that Our Revolution group attacked an asian candidate because he was one of "them" and not "one of us". Sri Preston Kulkarni is a good guy and I was disappointed in these attacks. Attacking Sri for a 20 year atrest backfired. One of the African American clergy groups endorsed Sri in large part due to these attacks.
I was a Hillraiser and the candidate in the runoff against Sri was a far more effective bundler than I could hope to be. Will the Our Revolution now endorse a major Fundraiser for Clinton? I am curious. I tought that Sanders was against bundling and bundlers.
BTW I took Sri to the Harris County Democratic Lawyers Association. It was fun watching a candidate in a room of Democratic lawyers.
I hope that you are able to help. We need to sweep Harris County. If Sri is on the ballot Dr. Murray think that we can make CD 22 competitive
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Notice the link and the name of the poster you responded to?
And thanks for your hard work. Makes me feel like a piker.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)I will see the OP at some events.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)egbertowillies
(4,058 posts)I was not there to boo. I was there to try to get as many of our policies in the platform and then support the nominee.
Here is the convention report I prepared.
https://egbertowillies.com/2016/07/30/journey-democratic-national-convention-philly/
I am working Northeast Harris County. The Democratic Party ignores this area which is growing and is ripe to take over Ted Poe's seat.
I know most of the people in the Our Revolution groups. I interviewed Sri Preston Kulkarni on my Politics Done Right Show.
https://politicsdoneright.com/2018/02/progressive-steve-brown-sri-preston-kulkarni/.
CD22 is definitely competitive and so is CD02 and CD07. I will have all those candidates Sri if he beats the dentist, Litton, and Mosier if she wins. They are all progressives. Sri convinced me as did Beto that he will support Medicare for All. Neither are campaigning as absolute supporters for very specific reasons.
My commitment is not only to Harris County but to progressives that the Party simply ignore as lost causes because. You just cannot do that anymore.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)No one wants to give you clicks or views on your own website. If you want to make an argument, make such srgument on this bosrd. Do not expect us to go to your site.
Did you approve of the stunt where a group of sanders delegates demanded that we condemned Hillary Clinton? I saw many Sanders delegates condemned the progressive idiots. I do not remember seeing you do this.
You did not respond to the fact that the booing of Congressman John Lewis. This was a planned stint that sanders refused to stop. Do you think that the fact that the progressives on JPR applauded this stunt? Did you try to stop this disgusting stunt?
You claimed to have been a peacemaker. Where were you when a group of Texas sanders delegates screamed obscenties at my daughter who was my guest?. This happened in the lobby of the convention hotel. Among other things, your fellow Texas sanders delegates call my daughter the C-word and a traitor to her generation because she refused to ask me to change my vote.
You are not working with the Harris county party because you pushed people to vote for Jill Stein on your radio show. I remember your silly thread attacking the Harris County Party for not confirming an idiot as precinct chair when you had the idiot on your show telling people to vote for Jill Stein. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029360137 Do you regret telling your radio listeners to vote for Stein?
As for sanders plarform how was this platform going to be adopted in the real world without a magical voter revolution whete millions or billions or trillons of new voters showed up to force the GOP to be reasonable? Sanders voter magical revolution never happened. The exit pols showed that sanders got the same vote as Dean did in 2004 and bradley did in 2000". I live in the real world where magic does not work. BTW why did sanders failed to tet single payor adopted in Vermont?
I will be working with the Harris County party with real democrats who do not ask people to vote for Jill Stein on their radio show. Many of your progressives want to destroy the party and i think thst we are making progress in the real world. One of the loyal Democrats who I trained as a poll watcher in 2012 is now in charge of voter registrauon. There will be one of the first cycles where the party will not have to fike a lawsuit to get sufficient non english voter registration forms.
We had 200+ poll watchers out in 2016 and stopped Stan Stannart from having poll greeters from telling voters from going into the polling place without one of the required ids.
Have fun doing whatever you think you are doing. People have long memories and your support of stein will not be forgotten. A vote for Stein was a vote for trump
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egbertowillies
(4,058 posts)every viewpoint on my shows. Everyone knows what I stand for if they care to know. You are not looking for answers. You want an argument. You won't get that here. You do what you think you need to do to get Democrats elected. I will do what I think I must do to get Progressive Democrats elected.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)You seem to condone and will not condemn any actions taken by your fellow "progressives" and seem to think that such actions help the party. The party does not need your fellow progressives engaging in the following conduct:
1, demanding that the Texas delegation condemned Hillary Clinton at the national convention,
2. Booing congressman John Lewis at the national convention and then letting everyone know that sanders bout this stunt and refused to try to stop it. As you know, the Texas delegation shared a bus line with the Georgia delegation. The Georgia delegation was not happy
3. Having a group of sanders delegates shout obscenities at my daughter at the convention and call her the C Word.
4. Supporting a stein supporter who ranted on your show about Clinton as a Harris County Party precinct chair. I trained over 200 poll watchers for 2016. The Harris County Party vetted the voting records of each of thse poll watchers and turned away several with straight gOP voting records
You evidently think that these actions will "repair" the party. Good luck with that
BTW if you want to repair the party, you may want to talk to your fellow "progressives." Their actions are not helping your cause
Finally what dou think need repairing? The Harris County Party swept 2016 and I know that the current GOP chair is worried about another sweep. How are you going to repair this?
The real world is a nice place. Texas will turn blue based On hard work on the ground by real democrats. Have fun doing whatever you think you are doing
calimary
(81,267 posts)Those are worthy points, she. As I try to get beyond all that, myself, I keep on bumping up against those glaring truths of such deep-seated disrespect toward a woman whos spent most of her life trying to help the most vulnerable.
I wish I could forget. I wish Id never seen any of that ugly disgraceful stuff.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."Progressive Democrat", will you support him/her in a General Election?
Thanks.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)It appears that any and all conduct by a "progresssive" is acceptablr abd "progresssives" are allowed to engage in disgusting behavior without consequence
I am still not clear how the conduct of these so called "progressives" will repair the Democratic Party.
yardwork
(61,612 posts)Response to egbertowillies (Reply #14)
InAbLuEsTaTe This message was self-deleted by its author.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I no longer bother wondering how it is that the intractable anti-mainstream zealots still don't see that their own dreadfully bad judgement and irresponsible choices resulted in dozens of wrecking balls and leaps backward after those "incremental" steps forward they still love to trash.
The Kremlin, Trump campaign and GOP ALL targeted -- and are STILL targeting them -- as our weakest point? Nonsense. They're the only wise ones.
It's not their fault that their votes turned the nation over to a president who wants to jail and torture journalists to discover who's leaking information, or that a fascist-leaning congress is looting our nation, dismantling all our progressive systems, and transferring our money and power to their donors.
Or whether they feel any guilt or responsibility for the betrayal they helped empower of our Puerto Rican citizens and the atrocities enacted against immigrants coming and going. They just don't. They regret no losses, they're all proof that they were right. Somehow.
LeftInTX
(25,337 posts)Sounds like a great candidate and a hit job by Our Revolution.
Hope he wins the runoff.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)We should be le to put this district in play. Sri is doing well in fundraising
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Link to tweet
From the NYT article
The suburban counties that led Republicans to dominance here 25 years ago are getting significantly less Republican fast, he said, adding that Fort Bend County, in the 22nd, is roughly 20 percent Asian-American now. The first-place finisher in the districts Democratic primary, Sri Preston Kulkarni, is Indian-American. Murray said that if Kulkarni wins his runoff, that could be a significant boost to Democrats chances to nab this House seat.
Me.
(35,454 posts)More power to you but little response will you get.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Texas will turn blue but it will not be due to "progressives" writing sbout a New Jersey senator. The County party chair is gearing to fight GOP voter suppression in the real world.
George II
(67,782 posts)...which also solicits contributions?
I don't know about anyone else, but this disturbs me on DU.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that you only post OPs here on DU, you never respond to any posts directed toward you or engage in any discussions here on DU. It appears more and more that your sole objective on DU is to promote your own website.
Why is that?
This poster is mainly supporting his blog and radio show
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I question your honesty and integrity.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not in the electoral sense where the argument would make sense. But that he was actually going to deliver policy for us.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)or he actually thought Trump would work with Dems?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)his ass and his Nazi-Rethug buddies out of office.
egbertowillies
(4,058 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You absolutely discussed how he was going to deliver progressive legislation for us. Not because of his incompetence. Because it was what he was going to do.
I have not lied. Not a single bit. I made my case. I will make it no further. It's clear it's all about click-bait with limited concern for the truth, progressive values, or ethics.
You simply dump your articles across numerous boards hoping for clicks.
Has Trump delivered single payer for you yet? That article was fucking brilliant.
egbertowillies
(4,058 posts)It has nothing to do with what Trump does but what he told Americans during the election that he said he would do. He was left of the Democrats on many issues.
We all know he would not do these things based on the Republican Party but enough people thought that to get elected. It is important that as Democrats we understand that while we have the values we are poor at making the narrative.
As an example, I am watching Menendez on MSNBC. They are just talking Nikki Haley and Russia. Most Americans want to know what politicians are going to do for them. Did Menendez use his 6 minutes to turn the discussion to an economic issue that folks can grab on to? No! Republicans take every opportunity to push the message.
One of the things I do, is attempting to be one of many that are sticking to a Progressive narrative above and beyond Russia. Something people can hang on to.
Maybe if you attempt to look at the good folks are trying to do as opposed to the bad you think they are doing, we could move forward. You can choose to call my stuff clickbait. I am trying to make a difference. I gave up much to be a full-time political activist/blogger. Most think I am crazy. I think many of us need to do this.
I will admit, I wish Progressives would not be so quick to eat their own or assume they are but altruistic.
I was never a Trump supporter and everything I wrote about played into exactly the reason Trump won the electoral college.
Have a wonderful day.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If I did it was simply because of extremely poor delivery.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Gothmog
(145,242 posts)A vote for dtein was a vote for trump. You had guests on your radio show urging voteres to vote for stein. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029360137 Progressives sho want to hurt the party are not helping
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)yardwork
(61,612 posts)You're not answering any of their questions. Now I have questions:
As a Sanders delegate, did you speak out against a planned stunt to boo John Lewis at the convention?
Did you encourage listeners on your radio show to vote for Jill Stein?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)LexVegas
(6,063 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....to define their "Democratness".
Either you're a Democrat or your not. Period. It's stuff like this that continues to divide the DEMOCRATIC Party.
When I went to town hall to register, the registrar didn't ask me, "Do you want to register as a republican, Democrat, or Bernie Democrat?. I should have asked her "can I be a Biden Democrat or a Clinton Democrat or an Obama Democrat?"
On the ballot there weren't three rows (other than the other minor parties) - republican, Democrat, "Bernie Democrat".
I wish this stuff would just STOP!
ecstatic
(32,704 posts)thing! Lex
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I also supported Bernie during the 2016 primary season.
When the Bernie-Hillary wars escalated to psychosis, I walked away.
I'm done with that fight.
The most important thing is to make sure our shithole in chief is thrown out of the White House. Preferably in handcuffs. We need to keep this nation from turning into a fascist dictatorship.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)The agreement language for being a poster and contributor here was pretty clear. Maybe you should read it again? There's no room at the Democratic Table for dt apologists on any level. The Bernie thing is history and now is being used to cleave apart and keep fractious the partys cohesion going forward. I was for Bernie before I was for Hillary, but, I vote for who wins the primary PERIOD. Third party voting is a ruse to further fracture us. Bernie should've done a lot better for a party that swayed and backed him. Never again
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)The booing of Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention was a planned event by he Sanders delegates. The Clinton delegates were warned about this stunt 15 minutes before this stunt occurred. Sanders was evidently asked to stop this stunt and refused.
There are videos of sanders delegates saying nasty things about Congressman Lewis that will surface if sanders runs in areas where Congressman Lewis is admired. There are some hard feeling about this stunt. The Texas and Georgia delegates shared a bus to the convention site. There was some real anger at this stunt.
If some one wants to repair the Democratic Party, this is a good place to start. Silly
Blog posts about a New Jersey senator is not going to help in the real world.
Meanwhile in the real world, real Democrats are working hard to turn Texas blue. We are not relying on a magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions of new voters rise up to make the GOP act in a reasonable fashion. "Progressives" may believe in magic but I perfer hard work on the ground
I am still waiting to hear why thr Democratic Party needs to be repaired and how the OP is going to do this
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)people who called themselves "progressives."
John Lewis was on the front lines where and when the Civil Rights movement was happening, for the long haul.
He didn't decide to move to the quiet, pastoral countryside.
He stayed, shed blood on the streets resisting peacefully, and has continued peaceful protest and civil disobedience up to and including his time in Congress. He still doesn't fear getting arrested, and does so when he feels that it will bring attention to the problems of those who are underserved.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24756802.html
He is still apparently very threatening to some, who dismiss his progressive history of action.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)I have been fortunate to hear Congressman John Lewis tell his "preach to chickens" four times. Congressman Lewis is a true hero and has actually accomplished a great deal in the real world.
This was a planned attack on Congressman Lewis. Sanders was aware of this stunt and refused to try to stop this stunt. There is a ton of video of leaders of the sanders delegation bragging about this stunt that may be used in the future.
The "progressives" are evidently still proud of this stunt. There are assholes who post on JPR who applauded this stunt. I am sad that the OP will not condemn this stunt. "Progressives" are evidently permitted to engage in such conduct in order to repair the Democratic Party.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to benefit one, one is complicit.
Especially if it's a pattern.
To diss a national treasure and courageous leader like John Lewis - to see him booed like that - that seems like political sacrilege to me. Mighty hard to excuse that or somehow explain it away. Or forget.
Silence is asent
Sanders stood silent and e idently refused to stop this stunt
In the real world, a campaign carefully vet their delegates. I was a Clinton delegate and I was vetted. Years of volunteering on statewide voter protection efforts helped. The other Clinton delegates have devoted decades to the party. One lady who I got to know told me that it took her 20 years of being active to get to Philadelphia.
The concept is that a candidate's delegates represent his or her views. In this case, the "progressives" are poor representatives of the so called progressive movement. I know that this stunt has alienated a large number of real Democrats
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)These extremist "true believer" behaviors didn't drive off masses of Sanders' primary supporters only because 90% of them had already moved, as they'd always intended, to support the candidate chosen by fellow Democrats.
We should always be careful not to accidentally smear decent people with the behaviors of zealots. This noisy fringe and its destructive behaviors never represented them.
(Btw, how many of those know that Hillary Clinton has studied and supports a universal basic income, while Sanders has not and has always waffled and evaded when asked about it?)
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Delegates are vetted carefully by campaigns. I was a Clinton delegate and I know I was vetted. The only vetting that I saw was that the Sanders campaign removed one duly elected sanders delegate because that delegate would not say that he hated Hillary Clinton. This occurred at the Texas Democratic Convention but this delegate was allowed to attend as a guest due to the poor treatment of this young man by the Sanders campaign.
I do not think that this was isolated incident. There was a coordinated plan to attack Congressman John Lewis and the delegates who led this plan were evidently leaders in the Sanders delegation and they were proud of these attacks
For example, the idiots on JPR are very proud of this stunt https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/
I saw other incidents including having a group of Sanders delegates scream obscenities at my daughter and called her the C-Word.
This conduct is evidently acceptable for "progressives".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)strong pattern of similar despicable behaviors that were reported by journalists.
It's way past time to call those who act this way what they are, radicals without proper leadership, and even extremists where appropriate. Eric Hoffer described these behaviors in his seminal work, The True Believer, Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.
And it's also past time to ask ourselves what in the leaders these on both left and right have chosen draws them and keeps them zealously loyal and aggressively hostile toward anyone who doesn't fall in line behind their choices.
Congressman John Lewis's a good man with huge support around the nation, and attacking him was and still is a huge mistake. Zealots have almost nonexistent learning curves.
But it's very good to hear that the Texas Democratic Party, with decency entirely lacking in his own delegation, took care of this young man who refused to cross a line his comrades couldn't even see.
It has often been said that power corrupts. But it is perhaps equally important to realize that weakness, too, corrupts. Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many. Hatred, malice, rudeness, intolerance, and suspicion are the faults of weakness.
Though hatred is a convenient instrument for mobilizing a community, it does not, in the long run, come cheap. We pay for it by losing all or many of the values we have set out to defend. ~ Eric Hoffer
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)I hear that is the kiss of death during an election season
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)yardwork
(61,612 posts)Did you speak out against the Sanders' delegates organized booing of John Lewis at the Democratic convention?
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)This poster is too busy trying to generate traffic for his own website
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Again, I am curious to see how the Bernie democrats justify this conduct. https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb
Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.
The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.
What these people have in common is that
A: theyre POC,
B: theyre at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.
This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.