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Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:48 PM

BREAKING: ERIC HOLDER IS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING IN 2020

Just saw him on Chris Hayes. He says he's focused on his anti-gerrymandering project, but he's considering it.

That would be fabulous!

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Reply BREAKING: ERIC HOLDER IS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING IN 2020 (Original post)
leftieNanner Apr 2018 OP
cilla4progress Apr 2018 #1
Name removed Apr 2018 #7
bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #2
politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #34
Lotusflower70 Apr 2018 #3
Snackshack Apr 2018 #4
PaulX2 Apr 2018 #19
blake2012 Apr 2018 #20
dem4decades Apr 2018 #5
BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #8
Motley13 Apr 2018 #6
american_ideals Apr 2018 #9
Cha Apr 2018 #10
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #11
InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #17
OregonBlue Apr 2018 #29
aikoaiko Apr 2018 #12
leftieNanner Apr 2018 #22
aikoaiko Apr 2018 #36
samnsara Apr 2018 #13
spooky3 Apr 2018 #14
Name removed Apr 2018 #15
Takket Apr 2018 #16
leftieNanner Apr 2018 #23
Renew Deal Apr 2018 #18
blake2012 Apr 2018 #21
NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #32
Gothmog Apr 2018 #24
Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #25
Vinca Apr 2018 #26
RDANGELO Apr 2018 #27
zipplewrath Apr 2018 #28
Runningdawg Apr 2018 #30
loyalsister Apr 2018 #31
NCTraveler Apr 2018 #33
EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35

Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:49 PM

1. Yes, yes

It would.

I need to learn more about him.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:53 PM

2. I really like him.

Polished, experienced and incredibly smart.

I think my only hesitation would be that in today's age where immigration is such a massive issue, Fast and the Furious might be a big anchor for the GOP to use to drag him down.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:04 PM

34. Everyone running will bring some baggage to the table. No one who has the balls to run for President

reaches that station in life without ruffling a few feathers, or without some baggage. As I recall about Fast and Furious, Eric Holder didn't start it; he was the one who shut it down. He came in and shut it down and the Repugnants wanted to blame him as if he had been there all along from the beginning. Don't buy into their bullshit. They are the masters of deflection.


...On July 31, 2012, the first part of a new three-part report, Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation,[38] was released by Republican lawmakers. The report singled out five ATF supervisors for responsibility in Fast and Furious, all of whom had been previously reassigned. The report also said that Fast and Furious resulted from a change in strategy by the Obama Administration. The Justice Department was dismissive of the report, saying that it contained "distortions" and "debunked conspiracy theories," and that "gunwalking" tactics dated back to 2006.[115] DOJ spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler, while critical of the report, did credit it for acknowledging that the idea for "gun walking"—allowing illegal sales of weapons on the border—originated under the Republican administration before Eric Holder took office in 2009. Schmaler noted that Holder moved swiftly to replace the ATF's management and instill reforms.[116][/b] On the same day, ATF Deputy Director William Hoover, who was one of the five blamed in the Congressional report, officially retired.[117] The report included an appendix disputing claims in the Fortune article.[54] Following its publication, Dodson's lawyer wrote the managing editor of Fortune stating the article was "demonstrably false" and that a retraction was in order.[118] After Fortune did not retract the article, Dodson sued for libel on October 12, 2012.[119][120]

On September 19, 2012,[121] the Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz publicly released a 471-page report[1] detailing the results of the Justice Department's own internal investigations. The Inspector General's report, which had access to evidence and interviews with witnesses not permitted in previous Congressional reports, recommended 14 federal officials for disciplinary action, ranging from ATF agents to federal prosecutors involved in the Fast and Furious operation.[121] It found "no evidence" that Attorney General Holder knew about Fast and Furious before early 2011.[122] It found no evidence that previous Attorneys General had been advised about gunwalking in Operation Wide Receiver.[1]

While the OIG report found no evidence that higher officials at the Justice Department in Washington had authorized or approved of the tactics used in the Fast and Furious investigations, it did fault 14 lower officials for related failures, including failures to take note of "red flags" uncovered by the investigation, as well as failures to follow up on information produced through Operation Fast and Furious and its predecessor, Operation Wide Receiver.[121][123] The report also noted ATF agents' apparent frustrations over legal obstacles from the Phoenix Attorney's Office to prosecuting suspected "straw-buyers," while also criticizing the agents' failure to quickly intervene and interdict weapons obtained by low-level suspects in the case.[121] The 14 Justice Department employees were referred for possible internal discipline. The Justice Department's Criminal Division head Lanny Breuer, an Obama administration presidential appointee, was cited for not alerting his bosses in 2010 to the flaws of Operation Wide Receiver.[124] Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, who was responsible for authorizing a portion of the wiretap applications in Operation Fast and Furious and faulted in the report for not identifying the gunwalking tactics, resigned on the day of the report.[125]

On December 4, 2012, the ATF Professional Review Board delivered its recommendations to high-level ATF managers, who will decide whether to accept them. The recommendations included firing William McMahon, ATF Deputy Assistant Director; Mark Chait, ATF Assistant Director for Field Operations; William Newell, Phoenix ATF Special Agent in Charge; and George Gillett, Newell's second in command. Two additional ATF employees, Phoenix supervisor David Voth and lead agent Hope McAllister, received recommendations for demotion and disciplinary transfer to another ATF post, respectively.[126][127] It was reported the next day that McMahon had been fired. It was also announced that Gary Grindler, Eric Holder's chief of staff who was faulted in the OIG report, would be leaving the Justice Department.[123] Later that month, the family of Brian Terry sued seven government officials and a gun shop involved in Operation Fast and Furious for negligence and wrongful death.[128]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:54 PM

3. That would be awesome

I would campaign like hell for him.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:55 PM

4. Hmmmm...

I don’t know about that.

Because of Mr. Holder, Wall Street got a total pass on being held accountable for their actions that brought the economic world to its knees in 2008.

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

19. Yep

 

Noone from the 7 largest banks were prosecuted. Not all Holders fault though.

I say Inslee For President!!!

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

20. The crimes you are describing are very hard to prove

 

In a criminal trial.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:55 PM

5. Where? and for what? President?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:01 PM

8. Yes.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:59 PM

6. Sounds good to me.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:06 PM

9. Id vote for him.

Except he’s not aggressive enough. He gave the torturers a pass.

Dems need a fighter. A Franklin Roosevelt.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:09 PM

10. Effie called the other

week.

I'm glad.. we need his voice out there.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:09 PM

11. For President? I sure hope not

He was a substandard AG. He should have put the banksters in prison for life.

He has no chance of winning the nomination, I'll tell you right now.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:03 PM

17. I'd be surprised... but, certainly willing to hear what Holder has to say.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:14 AM

29. I couldn't agree more. He was one of the weakest AG's ever. Didn't go after any of the big guys

who caused the melt-down in the first place. I would never vote for him.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:09 PM

12. Running for what?

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

22. President

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:42 PM

36. That surprises me, but maybe he can bring a unique and compelling voice to the primary


Maybe.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:10 PM

13. too many cool choices!!! Joe or Eric?

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:42 PM

14. yes, running for President, and Rachel gave Chris some grief

because she had also asked Holder that question but he was vague. So she congratulated Chris for being a better interviewer!

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:01 PM

16. i like Holder but there are much better choices for the Dems in 2020

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Response to Takket (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:08 PM

23. Isn't it nice to have many choices?

There are quite a few good ones out there.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:30 PM

18. He just said the same thing on the Daily Show.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:41 PM

21. For Senator? Yes. President? No.

 

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Response to blake2012 (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:44 AM

32. agreed

what state does he call home now? Are there any Republicans he can challenge?

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:26 AM

24. I think that AG Holder would be a great candidate

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:06 AM

25. I love Eric Holder.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:08 AM

26. I like him. He's someone to seriously consider.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:29 AM

27. He would make an excellent president but,

I'm not sure he would be a good candidate. I would want to see his favorabilities. People are likely to already have fairly strong convictions about him. If he is strongly underwater with independents, that would not be good.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:47 AM

28. Not a great choice

It's make a certain slice of the democratic party happy, but in general I think he'd get beat up pretty bad. He's not going to be popular with anything like the Bernie wing or the Warren wing. The Clinton/Obama wing probably would be interested. Not sure how he rates with independents. I think you'd see the whole Obama/Clinton '08 primary all over again where Hillary got beat up daily for her Iraq vote. All the other primary candidates would beat him up over bankers and torturers and that's all we'd hear.

Now, as a VP choice....

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:06 AM

30. If he ran

you would hear Fast and Furious repeated more often than Benghazi. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:39 AM

31. No

I like him, but I don't think we should nominate someone who served in a previous administration. He would have to spend too much time defending criticisms, which will be many, of his work and Obama's administration. I think it would be better to have a candidate with some distance from past presidencies, so that they can focus on the future and repairing the considerable damage these 4 yrs are bringing.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:47 AM

33. When asked in March.

 

"I don't know. We'll see. I haven't decided yet," Holder, 67, said when asked about his plans for a possible challenge to President Trump.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/381074-eric-holder-to-decide-on-a-2020-run-by-early-next-year

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:14 PM

35. We sure could use some of this on the campaign trail:

The President - I mean, the “Occupant” - says he wants to make America great again. I wonder when was that? What century? What decade? What year?

If one looks back at the story of America, but ignores past deficiencies or forgets the people who were denied rights to which all Americans are entitled, then the past can be, for some, to a minority, a comforting place. But it also betrays a lack of courage. It speaks to a fear of the future, which is, by its very nature, always uncertain. And is antithetical to who we are as a people. We have always embraced the possibility of the future, not the comfort of the past.

It has been that attribute that has made the American nature truly exceptional and the Democratic Party the instrument of the people. We are not held down or beholden to a fictional past. We Democrats look to the future with its possibilities of positive change and new challenges and have always there to make it ours and so it must be again.

Our party must be clear on the issues of the day and all who seek the nominations of our party must identify themselves as Democrats and be damn proud of it! Our present positions must be rooted in the traditions of our great democratic past. It is Democrats who gave the nation Social Security,. It is Democrats who gave the nation Medicare and Medicaid. It is Democrats who gave the nation the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. It is Democrats who gave the nation the Affordable Care Act. And it is Democrats that have given the country so much more. It is the Democratic Party that has used government power to make better the lives of average Americans, irrespective of their status but with an emphasis on those those who are most at risk.

Now is not a time to be beholden to ideological litmus tests. The stakes are too high, our democracy is too much at risk for us to be so divided when there is actually so little that actually divides us. Our party is made up of disparate parts but it is held together by common interests.

Eric Holder - Remarks at the Ohio Democratic Party Legacy Dinner, Columbus, Ohio, April 13, 2018

https://www.facebook.com/OHDems/videos/10155553345588526/

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