I figured there would be a take down attempt once Joy Ann Reid & Jane Sanders had

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that back and forth on Twitter last November.

Reid was engaged in a Twitter conversation earlier in the day about the credibility of men in positions of authority starting to "crumble" amid a wave of sexual misconduct allegations — and consequences — against men in high-profile positions.

One Twitter user suggested Bernie Sanders as an example of a credible male authority figure.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Reid's reference to early writings may have been to a 1972 essay Sanders wrote in a Vermont newspaper, which resurfaced in a Mother Jones article in 2015.

“A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously,” one line from the essay reads.

A spokesperson for Sanders’s presidential campaign dismissed the essay at the time, calling it a "dumb attempt at dark satire in an alternative publication.”

Article: http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362466-sanderss-wife-to-msnbc-reporter-dont-ever-use-me-to-demean-my-husband

Regarding the accusations: I've been following Reid for years. She's brilliant. Also a Harvard grad. Her blog was hacked. Just look at the "unearthed" articles. Nothing of substance whatsoever, and anyone who follows her knows she doesn't post childish, pointless things like that. Her haters are conflating the fake/hacked blog posts with her commentary on Charlie Christ (which she acknowledged and apologized for last year).

If MSNBC fires her, I'm completely done with the network--and yes, I would miss Rachel and LO, but enough is enough!

ETA: Link to article detailing all the security holes and vulnerabilities of the Wayback Machine (yes, the archive can be corrupted and/or altered by attackers): https://blog.dshr.org/2017/09/attacking-users-of-wayback-machine.html

[David__77]

1. Conspiracy!

The communists are pushing fluoride too some may have said.

[Gothmog]

2. The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left

The attacks on Joy Reid by certain groups are sad https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb

For almost a year now, a very vocal segment of Bernie Sanders supporters have harassed and stalked black activists, journalists and contributors on Twitter and other social media sites. Behind this campaign was the fact that a lot of black voters didn’t vote for Bernie, which was met with incredible anger by a part of the Bernie left.

Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.

The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.

What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

[David__77]

3. The gays are out to get her?

Is that right?

[Cha]

7. No.

[David__77]

8. Oh perhaps duped by interlopers.

...

[Cha]

11. "duped"? "interlopers" What?

[ecstatic]

16. No one has stated that. BoB, our revolution, and other fake progressive/

troll groups are the likely perpetrators, with some help from the RW, of course.

[David__77]

18. PFLAG?

...

[melman]

19. And the Library of Congress no doubt

'The Library of Congress archive reviewed by CNNMoney -- which the Library says is created using a local installation of the Wayback Machine -- contains the disputed posts and lists them as having been archived on January 12, 2006. The documents provided by MSNBC to CNNMoney do not contain a letter to the Library of Congress regarding its archive.'

http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/25/media/joy-reid-msnbc-host-wayback-machine/index.html

[Cha]

27. Huh, maybe @ggreenwald can explain his blatant racism from 2005 in between holier than thought

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

42. That should be its own OP. Greenwald is disgusting.

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[Cha]

45. Here's another one from Imani Gandi re:Greenwald..

Link to tweet

If you want to OP it, yardwork.. please do.. or anyone else. I have to go places.. and I would appreciate it if someone else did!

Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

53. That language is rooted deeply in much of todays...

Democratic Socialist movement. The history is extremely clear. I would link to reasons given by someone for blocking a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people, as it was borne of the same sentiment, but I’ve temporarily sworn off critiquing the underlying racism of said individual.

[Cha]

54. I read it awhile ago.. I know what you

mean.. Mahalo, NCTraveler

[ismnotwasm]

4. I read that

It’s very good

[ecstatic]

17. Cool. Going to check that out! nt

[ecstatic]

20. WOW! I didn't realize it was that bad. Do they not understand

that their actions only make it worse for Bernie? It starts at the top. He has to know what these trolls are doing in his name.

[rockfordfile]

28. This is telling about some of the Bernie supporters.

[rzemanfl]

33. bookmarking n/t

[musette_sf]

39. + 1

so obvious

[OilemFirchen]

46. Lest we forget:

[Cha]

5. "Biased.. " she needs to look in the mirror

[LexVegas]

6. Just look at who is pushing the smears. nt

[NightWatcher]

12. Russian trolls attacking the Left for the Sanders camp?

If that's the case, we need to not let a repeat of 2016 happen again in 2020

[David__77]

14. Yes the swamp creatures will definitely be hiding in the corners.

..

[Cha]

21. Actually they're all over the net pushing their shite.

[David__77]

24. "Bringing them 'into the lifestyle.'"

...

[yardwork]

43. That does seem like a very dated thing to say....

Almost sounds like something somebody who was pretending to be American might say.

Why didn't we notice these atrocious posts by Joy back when they supposedly occurred? I'm surprised that nobody noticed.

[Cha]

25. Huh, maybe @ggreenwald can explain his blatant racism from 2005 in between holier than thought

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

9. Kick

[jalan48]

10. LOL-it's Bernie's fault!

[Cha]

29. Thanks for kicking the thread.

[R B Garr]

30. You can just feel Jane Sanders seething at Joy for her "biased

reporting" over the last "2 years." That's what this is really about. How dare Joy not fall in line praising her husband. Who does she think she is.

[Leith]

15. A Minor Spat 5 Months Ago

has sparked a giant smear now?

That's reaching a bit too far. If Jane Sanders was that pissed off last November, why didn't she finish it then? Instead we now have a smear job that took the Sanders people 5 months to set up and get going....

Nope. Not buying it. This smacks of human engineering, hacker mindfuck, a wedge pushed between two liberal camps, the usual Roger Stone job, whatever you want to call it. It does not make sense, it's ridiculous, and nobody old enough to drive a car should fall for it.

[ecstatic]

23. It turns out, they've been calling for her firing for 5 months now

But it's possible that a third party has jumped into the fray as well, especially with the midterms getting closer. More chaos and division helps them, I guess.

[Demsrule86]

48. No, I think that is exactly what it is.

[Hortensis]

55. Agree. Our own right wing smear machine assisted by

Russia, all in attempt to save Republican ass in November. Division.

Joy's been criticizing various capital-P Progressive behaviors, and they of course don't like her for it. So naturally their response is the usual hostile aggression, since changing losing tactics to instead develop relationships and form alliances is out of the question. But, as in 2016, 2017 and now 2018, they're both weapon of the right and dissident left aggressor against mainstream Democrats, but not leader.

[mythology]

22. You do realize she's already apologized for previous homophobic comments

Maybe it is a conspiracy, but her previous comments, again that she has apologized for, makes it hardly impossible that she would have said these things.

She says she has evidence that she was hacked. Let her present that and then we will have a better evaluation. But she needs to to do so soon.

[ecstatic]

26. This is like the Al Franken fiasco. The (fake) groping picture was real, but the other accusations

were really a stretch. But because of the picture, he's deemed guilty of everything. It takes a few seconds to read the blogs in question and compare to the one she acknowledged. No similarity whatsoever.

[R B Garr]

31. Oh, yes! You are totally correct, Reid was targeted. Look at Jane Sanders'

own seething anger at Joy Reid for the crime of not being a Bernie fan,


"I didn't answer your biased reporting about Bernie during the last 2 years" -- Holy cow, that's how sheltered the Sanders' were. They think they can "answer" reporters for so-called "biased" reporting, but have no problem with providing their own biased commentary -- obviously confident that no one is allowed to question THEIR biased statements. Really shameful, but a huge clue to their privileged status.

[NurseJackie]

32. "privileged status" --- Indeed.

[R B Garr]

37. Hi NJ!

Privileged is right, and it looks like not just generic white privilege, which is certainly bad enough. Why do they think they can malign Democrats -- or anyone for that matter -- without any pushback or repercussions? It is a bizarre mindset of entitlement that only they can have a say but others have to be talked to.

[Demsrule86]

49. It sounds Trumpian...like somehow they are victims of the press.

don't get that. And it will be way worse if he runs again.

[JNelson6563]

34. The prints belong to the Bros or the Russians.

Those fingerprints are all over this, I wonder who the busy little bees are.

[Gothmog]

35. The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity

The wayback machine does not guarantee anything https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/#.WuDw69w6PTy.twitter

The same cannot be said for the actual Wayback Machine archives.

The Wayback Machine is an invaluable historical record of the web. Through it, I’ve been able to recover past writings lost because of all the many changes I’ve made to my web site. It’s a wonderful way of exploring the web’s history.

However, the Wayback Machine is not, and never has been, a definitive source of the authenticity of what it captures on the web. It has access to a web page at a specific location at a specific time…but no special privilege that allows it to determine the authenticity of the author of the content in the page.

As noted by Chris Butler at the Internet Archives, home organization for the Wayback Machine:

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

Pages archived at different dates and by different entities... This statement is key to understanding the difference between Wayback Machine’s archival functionality as separate from the media’s assumption of Wayback Machine as Super Authenticator, able to leap tall metadata with a single bound!

[TheSmarterDog]

36. kick

[revmclaren]

38. K&R

I and all the Joy fans in my family are not fooled.

Expected and delivered by the usual suspects.

Only! 2018 - 2020

[musette_sf]

40. K&R

[shanny]

41. lol

[4now]

44. Now it is starting to make sense

[kacekwl]

47. OMG give it a rest people.

All this bickering drivers me crazy. If you don't like Joy don't watch. If you don't like Bernie don't vote for him. Move on and stop arguing about everything and anything.

[lunamagica]

50. K&R.

[Tom Rinaldo]

56. Yep. Bernie supporters used a time machine to hack Joy in 2006/2007

I'm not saying Joy wasn't hacked, but she seems to claim the hacks inserted or altered blog posts during the time frame when internet archives captured screen shots of them. I'm hard pressed to think of any Sanders supporters who had a vendetta against Joy Reid well over a decade ago.

Meanwhile we know damn well that the Russians want Americans at each other's throats regarding politics. Their trolls and bots were making thousands of posts about Black Lives Matter from both sides of a supposed controversy, for example. They want to discredit democracy itself. That is their long term game plan across the borders of all of the western Democracies.

And the Right in America has never been shy about dirty tricks against progressives either. When it comes to Franken, when it comes to Reid, we on DU know enough to not rush to condemnations without conclusive evidence. When it comes to "Bernie Supporters" though if you can even imagine an allegation to make many seem to believe it's absolutely fair game to run with it. Unity, who needs it? We can have our blue wave in November without it, right?