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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:55 PM Apr 2018

Just yesterday, I read an OP asking why we didn't have progressive media to counter Fox/Limbaugh

and today, I watch DUers and other Democrats hyperventillatingly joining in to the right wing attacks on Joy Reid

And I wonder why anyone wonders why ...

People, what's happening to Joy is Exhibit A of why we don't have a viable progressive media.

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Just yesterday, I read an OP asking why we didn't have progressive media to counter Fox/Limbaugh (Original Post) EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP
Truth. nt. spicysista Apr 2018 #1
Amen Effie! JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #2
Mark Thompson, Michelangelo Signorile, Dean Obeidallah, and Karen Hunter. Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #3
Where can I listen to them? IluvPitties Apr 2018 #13
Sirius XM Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #40
Don't have Sirius XM... IluvPitties Apr 2018 #44
Insight is a great station too. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #52
And all the weekend crew on Sirius/XM progressive! Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #23
Joe Madison, John Fuglesang, Stephanie Miller, Pete Dominick mountain grammy Apr 2018 #32
Not a fan of Madison or Miller Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #41
The OP stated there isnt progressive media to counter the right wing noise mountain grammy Apr 2018 #55
What purity test Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #56
No, I wasnt talking about you mountain grammy Apr 2018 #58
No problem Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #64
"but he is too rude to his callers." BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #69
Again I agree with everything he says politically Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #75
LOL BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #77
Yeah I listen to hunter Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #78
Wakanda forever! BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #79
What channel and time does Bradley have a show? NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #60
Hes on Saturday. American Voices on POTUS. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #63
Air America Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #4
Sirius XM 127 and 126 Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #42
TY Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #51
Not Air America Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #65
Ok TY. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #71
um...sirius ain't exactly radio for da masses dembotoz Apr 2018 #86
Lol Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #93
Yep mcar Apr 2018 #5
That's a fact. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #6
its because talk radio feeds on anger and agression and hate, which is lacking msongs Apr 2018 #7
Ding ding ding. +100 sharedvalues Apr 2018 #9
that's 30 years of talk radio the left stupidly ignores certainot Apr 2018 #45
Not True PaulX2 Apr 2018 #18
And Stephanie PaulX2 Apr 2018 #20
I like Stephanie Miller a lot NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #61
+1. I hate Republicans with the heat of a thousand suns. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #21
I call your suns and raise you a 100,00! kairos12 Apr 2018 #25
LOL SunSeeker Apr 2018 #27
sorry - that's a bullshit RW argument that trolls and ignorant liberals have perpetrated certainot Apr 2018 #43
So let's do something about radio propaganda sharedvalues Apr 2018 #66
artificial intelligence may make that a lot easier now certainot Apr 2018 #81
Imo, you owe Msongs an apology. Failure to put FEAR first as Hortensis Apr 2018 #67
maybe a bit harsh but it's important to end the lie that talk radio represents american demand certainot Apr 2018 #80
It's both, isn't it? Hortensis Apr 2018 #82
i disagree - they created the demand for a lot of it. talk radio went for 9 yrs before fox certainot Apr 2018 #88
Certain, that quote attributed to Lincoln is at least Hortensis Apr 2018 #89
i think it's a combination genetic, environmental but 'sex on the wrong brain' authoritarianism certainot Apr 2018 #91
One future of progressive media is podcasts sharedvalues Apr 2018 #8
I disagree & think it's exactly the opposite. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #10
How do you fight the attacks when many of them are coming from inside the house? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #11
ABSOLUTELY... I don't know why some are so eager to believe the worst about our allies hlthe2b Apr 2018 #12
Oh I know why. They are willing to believe anything about someone who doesnt like Bernie stevenleser Apr 2018 #14
This combined with good old-fashioned racism kcr Apr 2018 #54
You win the prize. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #15
Exactly...well put. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #16
we don't have progressive media to counter Fox/Limbaugh because ... Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #17
I think you're dead on! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #19
The imbeciles, the racists, the fascists, and the conspiracy nuts combine to create Elwood P Dowd Apr 2018 #24
Well having fifty to one ratio outlet on corporate radio and TV of so called news and talk helps nolabels Apr 2018 #48
That is a good point. Although, I listen to MSNBC on Sirius Radio in the car. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #36
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2018 #37
Ours is print media treestar Apr 2018 #57
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2018 #22
it's because big media is a big corporation right wing TalenaGor Apr 2018 #26
It's absolutely mindblowing Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #29
We did about 15 years ago..lib talk radio Demovictory9 Apr 2018 #28
Yeah somehow foaming at the mouth and yelling at the radio while throwing furniture around Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #33
Talk radio is not sustainable...if big donors did not subsidize rightie radio, it would be gone... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #34
Clearchannel took over America's local radio, Bain Capital took over Clearchannel, Clearchannel..... nolabels Apr 2018 #50
And yet I bet they survive somehow. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #59
before Bain took over CC, CC did have AirAmerica on many stations rurallib Apr 2018 #83
agreed NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #62
So true...attacking Joy ...joining the right to do so...they sound like Breitbart followers. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #30
That and the fact that there isn't an untapped audience for "progressive media". brooklynite Apr 2018 #31
The idea is that some hosts will get the other side to listen and convert them...and it does happen. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #35
Simple, "outrage" sells... Xolodno Apr 2018 #38
I've 4 friends who've told me that they've signed that Change.org petition ... LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #39
Amen, Effie. So-called progressives fall for ratfcking every damn time. Hekate Apr 2018 #46
Effie have you considered those attacks aren't coming from the left rufus dog Apr 2018 #47
There are many on the nebulous "left"... OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #53
:) +1. Maybe think "dissident left" because they're always Hortensis Apr 2018 #70
Well said!!! OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #84
I'm still thanking political psychologists for replacing Hortensis Apr 2018 #92
Those in NYC and San Francisco have Pacifica KSNY Apr 2018 #49
welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2018 #94
She shines a light on a certain failed non-Democrat. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #68
There is a big hole in the market. I would like to see someone step up to the plate smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #72
Amy Goodman / Democracy Now! SMC22307 Apr 2018 #73
Because we don't believe in that kind of propaganda... Wounded Bear Apr 2018 #74
I agree workinclasszero Apr 2018 #76
well i like news analysis from a leftist perspective, not DNC neoliberal talking points. m-lekktor Apr 2018 #85
Correct malaise Apr 2018 #87
Google create your own pirate radio Iwasthere Apr 2018 #90

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
2. Amen Effie!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:58 PM
Apr 2018

Can we just once give one of our own the benefit of the doubt? We eat our own and it makes us look stupid.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
3. Mark Thompson, Michelangelo Signorile, Dean Obeidallah, and Karen Hunter.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:58 PM
Apr 2018

Are progressive radio hosts that are good at countering Limbaugh

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
23. And all the weekend crew on Sirius/XM progressive!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:51 PM
Apr 2018

Love all the folks you mentioned and listen religiously!

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
32. Joe Madison, John Fuglesang, Stephanie Miller, Pete Dominick
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:07 PM
Apr 2018

Sirius XM. Worth the subscription. Good music too and Broadway, and just discovered Bill Bradley has a show. Remember him? Former basketball star, turned Senator, ran for the Dem nomination for president and would have been a damn good one IMO.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
41. Not a fan of Madison or Miller
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:30 PM
Apr 2018

I agree with Madison 99.9% of the time and he is good, but he is too rude to his callers.

Miller jokes around too much and the show is too noisy and doesn’t really talk about anything.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
55. The OP stated there isnt progressive media to counter the right wing noise
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:27 AM
Apr 2018

Last edited Thu Apr 26, 2018, 08:31 AM - Edit history (2)

The point here is, there’s plenty, but they may not be for everyone..

That said, I think it’s a bit depressing to see posts bemoaning the fact there’s no progressive media there is, but then there’s that old purity test and disparaging the very idea of listening to talk radio. I just don’t get it.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
56. What purity test
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:32 AM
Apr 2018

I like progressive radio and if you look at my post above you will see that. And it has nothing to do with purity. I agree with Madison and Miller on issues, I just don’t like their shows.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
58. No, I wasnt talking about you
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:48 AM
Apr 2018

Because you’ve obviously listened and follow your own tastes, and I don’t even disagree with your criticisms, which are accurate.

I meant posts that disparage talk radio in general, and I love the shows I listen to.. Madison can be rude, but some of his interviews are outstanding and Steph is crazy, but often very funny.. it’s not all about politics. My favorite is John Fuglesang. I’m a radio head and there are some good voices out there. I’m sorry, I should have been clearer.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
69. "but he is too rude to his callers."
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 08:25 AM
Apr 2018

A little history lesson on him. He has been on the air on various outlets, for over 30 years (including here in Philly on a graveyard shift back in '89). He used to be a political director of the national NAACP and for decades, has participated in voter registration drives (including various "registration walks", the longest being walking from coast to coast) and has been part of many dozens of protests (including broadcasting them live and for re-air on his show). He has routinely brought on the biggest names in the party and those with liberal/progressive views, for interviews and book reviews.

At one point when he was on a station in VA (WWRC), his show was sandwiched between Oliver North's show and G. Gordon Liddy's show (I used to travel down to that area frequently and would catch the show when down there and was amazed). So he usually got the loon listeners/callers from both those RW shows and spent 3 hours successfully battling them.

When he made the move to SiriusXM over 10 years ago and I found that he was there (after I saw his show simulcast on CSPAN back then), I specifically subscribed to get his show. About 2 years ago, he made a decision to join the other "unfettered" hosts by uttering the FCC banned words that apply to terrestrial broadcast, but not to satellite, and each time he does so, he is actually putting $1 in what he calls a "swear jar", where the donations go to various causes (most often to the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture).

He is routinely in the top 10 of "Talkers" magazine (currently #8).

As he says, he has no patience for "conscientious stupidity" and since he doesn't screen callers, he gets quite a few trolls. Keep in mind that all RW shows not only screen callers (although a few slip through) but they actually PAY for "actors" to call in to manufacture content and approval of that content.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
75. Again I agree with everything he says politically
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 10:37 AM
Apr 2018

But he is too grouchy to his callers. A caller can call in and say “good Morning Mr. Madison.” And he will respond in a grouchy manner.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
77. LOL
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 10:50 AM
Apr 2018

It sounds like you have bracketed the type of host you prefer, literally somewhere between the "goofy/silly" Stephanie Miller to the "grouchy" Joe Madison.

I expect one of the main reasons why he is the way he is (other than keeping the callers moving because there are people who will go on and on and on and other callers won't be able to get through) is because so much of the "cultural conditioning" over the past century or so, essentially labeled black men as "step 'n 'fetchits" who would go around "shucking and jiving" like some clown, and laughing and joking, always with a "grin" on their face, so I think he tries to halt that imagery right in its tracks. As he says - his is not the "Morning Zoo" or "Breakfast Club" type of show, because really, that is what he is competing against in that 6am - 10am time slot in radio world (e.g. Tom Joyner). I know that Mark Thompson used to be on in the afternoon drive slot (and then to the 6 pm slot) but Progress moved him up against Joe Madison in the morning for some reason. I miss Bill Press in that slot.

If you ever listen to Karen Hunter in the afternoon, she does some royal slicing and dicing of callers too.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
60. What channel and time does Bradley have a show?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:53 AM
Apr 2018

Bradley would have been a great president, but he was like a lot of Democrats that failed at the national level - very smart, but too bland to get people excited to vote for him. Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, Kerry. Heck, you could put Jimmy Carter on that list as well - he won a close election over Ford despite Watergate hanging over Ford's head.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
63. Hes on Saturday. American Voices on POTUS.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:01 AM
Apr 2018

You can get it on demand... I love that man.

I was happy to hear his interview with Fuglesang.. he said he’s seen Hamilton 4 times. That’s a man after my own heart.

dembotoz

(16,804 posts)
86. um...sirius ain't exactly radio for da masses
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 12:26 PM
Apr 2018

any radio station that i would have to buy a new car AND pay a month fee to listen to just is not gonna happen

msongs

(67,405 posts)
7. its because talk radio feeds on anger and agression and hate, which is lacking
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:01 PM
Apr 2018

to a large degree in left wing/progressive media. much lower "fear of the other" quotient so less rabid listeners = less listeners = less $$ for advertising

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
9. Ding ding ding. +100
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:05 PM
Apr 2018
By Obama’s first term, authoritarian personalities identified overwhelmingly with the GOP. In its preference for simplicity over complexity, and its disdain for experts and facts, the party has steadily ratcheted down its standard of intellectually acceptable discourse: from a doddering Ronald Reagan to Dan Quayle to George W. Bush to Sarah Palin. From this standpoint, Trump is less a freakish occurrence than something close to an inevitability.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/the-gops-age-of-authoritarianism-has-only-just-begun.html
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
45. that's 30 years of talk radio the left stupidly ignores
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:47 PM
Apr 2018

all of that is from ignoring talk radio

at $1000/hr, 1200 stations x 15hrs/day are worth $18MIL/day and $5BIL/yr since reagan killed the fairness doctrine in 87 and the r-cons started buying up radio stations.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
18. Not True
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:44 PM
Apr 2018

I listened to Air America Franken Rachel Mike Randi etc. And I hate Republicans guts still and then.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
61. I like Stephanie Miller a lot
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:56 AM
Apr 2018

She not only has a liberal point of view, but she also has a sense of humor and her show is entertaining overall and would be an enjoyable listen to most people flipping through channels and tuning into it.

Too often, Democrats on the radio come across as bland - Thom Hartmann gives you a lot of good information, but sometimes comes across more like a college professor than an entertaining radio host.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
43. sorry - that's a bullshit RW argument that trolls and ignorant liberals have perpetrated
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:42 PM
Apr 2018

- why is clearchannel/iheart $20 bil in debt if that's what the people want?

- it's worth trillions in global warming denial, war, tax breaks, deregulation. that's what those stations sell, paid for by idiot advertisers that should all be asked if they really want to support trump

- would 95% of americans who would listen to talk radio, often when sitting in the car/truck or at work and that's the only loud signal they can get for news politics, weather, emergencies, traffic etc..., prefer the ignorance, lies, racism, condescending idiocy, and hate of limbaugh and hannity?

the demand argument is a bullshit and often used by city dwellers and music listeners to excuse ignoring the protected subsidized talk radio monopoly propaganda operation - the single biggest political mistake in history.

there's a huge secondary and tertiaryt audience for that coordinated think tank, and kremlin, coordinated buzz spewing from 1500 radio stations.

rw talk radio should not be considered part of the free speech spectrum - it'a a propaganda operation that the trump team studied in 2014 - probably to help them coordinate with the kremlin - (new york magazine - gabriel sherman - 4/3/16)

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
66. So let's do something about radio propaganda
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 07:54 AM
Apr 2018

Can we reach out to college students to protest their hate radio stations?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
81. artificial intelligence may make that a lot easier now
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 11:36 AM
Apr 2018

fast accurate transcription of what the radio stations are saying while flying the school banners is now cheaper by an order of magnitude - down to $5/hr at Sonix.ai for eg. and easy.

when advertisers and ad agencies realize advertisers and their contact info can be directly associated in writing with what the blowhards are saying, with minimal effort and no need to listen, they will desert that form of radio.

do you know any software developers who can make that process easier?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
67. Imo, you owe Msongs an apology. Failure to put FEAR first as
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 08:09 AM
Apr 2018

a RW radio motivator is the only disagreement I would have with that post. There's always more to every subject than we quickly post, and not turning a comment into a dissertation that gratifyingly expresses your views is not grounds for attack.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
80. maybe a bit harsh but it's important to end the lie that talk radio represents american demand
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 11:26 AM
Apr 2018

for white supremacy, misogyny, global warming denial, ignorance, hate, fear and all the other republican crap - which is what liberals/dems do when they lump it into the general spectrum of media.

it is a subsidized and protected monopoly propaganda operation coordinated by the GOP and think tanks (and the kremlin) and the right has protected it by selling the lie that liberal talkers can't compete or that air america failed because it couldn't compete and wasn't wanted, etc.

it does appeal to fear/authoritarianism and liberals may prefer music and internet but in 40 states with 80 senators, by design by the GOP and by lack of action by liberals, there are no free easy alternatives while driving and working.

i can't count the number of times i've seen that crap from trolls and liberals who bought it and continue to repeat it. it lets liberals off the hook and excuses the biggest political mistake in history

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. It's both, isn't it?
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 11:54 AM
Apr 2018

I wouldn't agree with either without the other.

Remember, Fox News started out when Roger Ailes recognized a profit opportunity in a massive unmet market demand for news skewed to conservative tastes. And that from then until recently by far most Fox content has been determined by first finding out what its viewers wanted to hear and then regurgitating it back at them with great conviction.

And of course in increasingly twisted and propagandized forms using sophisticated psychological techniques to screw with people's minds. But since viewers were from the beginning so conservative they were eager to reject other news, most were a thirsty sponge for conservative lies that release happy chemicals into their brains. Demand.

Much right wing radio these days of coursre exists to be a propaganda delivery vehicle, profits desirable to extremely wealthy backers/owners, but not the main purpose. But most started out having to produce profits, and large numbers became very lucrative, expanding into little empires for their owners -- because they were meeting the same widespread, hungry demand Ailes recognized.

"You can fool...some of the people all the time..." When I was young I used to think that was because of ignorance and low intellectual abilities, but I've known for a long time that with most the truth is far more insidious: It's because they insist on it.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
88. i disagree - they created the demand for a lot of it. talk radio went for 9 yrs before fox
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 12:45 PM
Apr 2018

after reagan killed the fairness doctrine they bought up all the stations they could. they subsidized it. they gave limbaugh out for free. they laid a lie turd pie on the country and then in 96 or so put visual icing on it with fox.

it's all monopoly power. the demand is fake. in most parts of the country there are no free easy alternatives. they have all the loudest stations and sue our universities and pro sports to attract advertisers and community cred, or they're just the only and loudest, clearest signal for emergencies, weather, news, traffic.there's a huge secondary and tertiary audience.

fox would collapse without talk radio because it exists in competition with other alternatives a click away.

trump is the culmination of all that fake demand. as long as democrats and liberals ignore talk radio, the 10% minority that limbaugh and 300 wannabes on 1500 radio stations represent will continue to short circuit democracy with made-up demand for cruzs and gomerts and greitens and trumps - made up out of alternate realities and fake facts.

facebook and camb anal were used to TARGET but most of the trolling memes/talking points were established/piggybacked years and months of talk radio repetition.

that is why trump's bunch studied talk radio in 2014. they parasitized the demand for walls and voter suppression and racism created from years of repetition of lies about 'illegal aliens' voting and destroying the economy and bringing ebola and drugs. lies that succeeded because liberals have ignored talk radio.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
89. Certain, that quote attributed to Lincoln is at least
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 01:29 PM
Apr 2018

150 years old, and I'm sure if I looked I could find even more apt ones from Plato's time and before.

Back to modern times, scientists have fairly recently discovered that conservative and liberal are genetically predetermined personality types. People are not blank slates for propagandists to write on. Talk radio definitely falls into the "environmental" factors that get to work on us after birth. We also vary within personality types; political moderates, intractable radicals, and rabid racists are not personality types but variations.

Politics are an environmental factor. Most liberals tend to adopt liberal political orientations, but not necessarily. Here in rural Georgia I've often suspected some of our supposedly conservative acquaintances of being naturally liberal but completely unaware of it -- and conservative enough by environment, and proud of it, that in 18 years I've never risked insulting, or possibly distressing, any of those by commenting on what I suspect. Intellectually aware people know who they are.

In any case, people drawn to right wing radio and its dishonest messages tend to think differently from those who are repelled by them. They see moral issues different than liberals do, less oriented to individual rights and more about maintaining stable and healthy community structures. They even tend to think in different order, reportedly running information by for emotional response before intellectual evaluation. A survival advantage when responding to a frightening rustle in tall grass, no doubt, but not in the world we inhabit these days.

Etc, etc, etc. But bottom line, ... whatever it is. Being called to lunch.



 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
91. i think it's a combination genetic, environmental but 'sex on the wrong brain' authoritarianism
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 03:03 PM
Apr 2018

supercedes much of it because it's ingrained in our social religious value structures.

most humans have some degree of sex on the wrong brain, which is what wilhelm reich was approaching in his diagnosis of fascism.

what is often blamed on human nature or lizard brains or testosterone is really sex on the wrong brain, caused by impatient satisfaction-demandiing reproductive energy diverted to parts of the brain that are supposed to be patient and objecive, causing accentuated irrational greed and the need for certainty.

no matter what it is, rw radio is the only major medium with NO direct challenge/competition

that is why it's a unique problem directly responsible for much of the deterioration of democracy over the last 30 years, directly associated with the record rise of partisanship, dysfunction, lack of progress, success of alec, etc.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
8. One future of progressive media is podcasts
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:02 PM
Apr 2018

One reason we don't have a progressive media is that conservatives and progressives have, on average, different personalities. This is well established in the poli sci / psych / sociology literature.

Conservatives like to be told what to do, and like to hear the same things over and over again.

Progressives like to come to their own conclusions. They don't like simple messages, but they do like humor and allegory.

----------

That's why a progressive media won't look like today's conservative propaganda machine. Like it or not, our progressive media is being formed right now. It is humor shows and late night shows, and John Oliver and SNL. And it is podcasts, like the Slate and Josh Marshall and Crooked Media (Pod Save America) podcasts. Good progressive media is fundamentally different than right wing media. And it's growing stronger right now.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
10. I disagree & think it's exactly the opposite.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:08 PM
Apr 2018

If we had a progressive media, we would have forum to fight attacks like this. Also, maybe we would be use to fighting BS like this, instead of capitulating to the right wing media that has a 35+ year edge over us. I read a comment recently that stated, the dems are good at policy but terrible at politics. So true! But they better sharpen their game cuz the GOP has rigged the system so much in their favor the dems are going to need massive turnout & margins to win.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. Oh I know why. They are willing to believe anything about someone who doesnt like Bernie
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:14 PM
Apr 2018

That’s the bottom line

kcr

(15,317 posts)
54. This combined with good old-fashioned racism
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:20 AM
Apr 2018

I see multiple people on this website who are fans of white men who say far worse, like Bill Mahr for example, yet are joining the bash Reid bandwagon. Those same people defend Bill when he's up for review because they claim he's such an important voice for liberals, a task they have to perform quite often, yet are here today with the pitchforks over blog posts from 2007.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
17. we don't have progressive media to counter Fox/Limbaugh because ...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:43 PM
Apr 2018

Nobody with an IQ above room temperature is going to tune into a radio station day in and day out to listen to somebody whine about politics for three hours straight.

Partisan propaganda is for imbeciles, unfortunately we have over 60,000,000 of them in our country.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
24. The imbeciles, the racists, the fascists, and the conspiracy nuts combine to create
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:56 PM
Apr 2018

60 million trained rabid repuke mongrels who believe every lie and every conspiracy theory they hear from their masters. The sad thing is that they vote at a much higher rate than progressives and independents.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
48. Well having fifty to one ratio outlet on corporate radio and TV of so called news and talk helps
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:51 AM
Apr 2018

Moreover, oftentimes it takes some kind of extra funds to be able to tune into progressive news outlets. The wonder is with that kind of onslaught how any kind of progressive movement even survives

treestar

(82,383 posts)
57. Ours is print media
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:34 AM
Apr 2018

Liberals are readers more than conservatives are. As a result, more nuance, which does not translate as well to the radio.

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
26. it's because big media is a big corporation right wing
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:59 PM
Apr 2018

Our platform supports taxingvthe wealthy...and the wealthy own the media....they would be working against their own interests

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
29. It's absolutely mindblowing
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:04 PM
Apr 2018

I remember a GOP delegate in Tennessee during the fall of 2016 just after the election, thanking Trump for her son's healthcare, if it wasn't for Trump he wouldn't have been able to afford healthcare after losing his job.

They thank Trump for everything Obama did and will blame the Democrats for the disaster Trump leaves behind.

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
28. We did about 15 years ago..lib talk radio
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:03 PM
Apr 2018

I guess it wasn't sustainable..libs don't want to listen24/7 like repubs

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
33. Yeah somehow foaming at the mouth and yelling at the radio while throwing furniture around
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:07 PM
Apr 2018

doesn't translate well toward liberals.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
34. Talk radio is not sustainable...if big donors did not subsidize rightie radio, it would be gone...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:08 PM
Apr 2018

but it serves a purpose for the right and they know it...now we have chased out big donors Democrats in the name of purity who might have done the same for us.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
50. Clearchannel took over America's local radio, Bain Capital took over Clearchannel, Clearchannel.....
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:09 AM
Apr 2018

Clearchannel took over America's local radio, Bain Capital took over Clearchannel, Clearchannel went bankrupt
FROM THE BOING BOING SHOP

Enter Bain Capital. Once Clearchannel was at its unwieldy zenith, loaded with $8B of debt from all these acquisition, Bain Capital and Thomas H Lee acquired the company with an additional $10B in debt that it dumped on its balance-sheets (paying themselves handsomely!), and then proceeded to run the company into the ground, weighing it down with another $2B worth of debt.

Now Clearchannel/Iheartradio is about to die. Having been stripped of nearly all its assets, having sold off all those once-diverse, once-thriving community radio stations to yet another set of private equity vultures, they're about to join the likes of Sears, Sears Canada, Toys R Us and other former giants whose demise has been handily blamed on Big Tech, without any scrutiny given to the shadowy, banal billionaires who asset-stripped them, debt-loaded them, and ran them into the ground.

https://boingboing.net/2018/03/16/craigslist-not-to-blame.html

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
83. before Bain took over CC, CC did have AirAmerica on many stations
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 12:01 PM
Apr 2018

and in many markets it was doing well.
AirAmerica fell apart and CC was taken over. They then dumped all progressive radio.

there are a few independent over-the-air progressive stations b ut nothing like the control that CC still has - owning the big dog in nearly every market.

So there is progressive radio if you want to pay for it. And there is a little bit of progressive tv if you want to play for it.

And soon there will be progressive internet, but I can bet we will have to pay through the rear for it while the nutcase internet will be the standard package

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
62. agreed
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:58 AM
Apr 2018

They have some people with deep pockets that are willing to sustain losses to get the RW point of view out there driving the news cycle.

Rev. Moon was losing tens of millions per year with the Washington Times, but he kept going for decades just to have a Washington based RW alternative to the Washington Post.

brooklynite

(94,554 posts)
31. That and the fact that there isn't an untapped audience for "progressive media".
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:06 PM
Apr 2018

If there was, someone would provide it.

I don't know about you, but I don't spend endless hours (especially during the day) looking for media programs to reinforce what I already think.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
38. Simple, "outrage" sells...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:19 PM
Apr 2018

And not just on the right, but left too. So here in the USA...

Right wingers are outraged for a lot of shit.

Those on the left get outraged at the right AND those on the left who commit "mortal sin".

Of course, it does go both ways. The communist revolutions were often started because of outrage against the right. Of course, the result was capitalist tycoons backing off, transferring blame to the government, accepting some concessions to the workers, manufacturing baloney ideology about how the wealthy help the poor, etc. But as of late, that seems to be starting to fail...but, that much of a change doesn't happen in a few years or a couple of election cycles. It takes several decades.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
39. I've 4 friends who've told me that they've signed that Change.org petition ...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:22 PM
Apr 2018


By the way, they're the same few buddies who were "FINE" with Al Franken being thrown under the bus and driven over 10 times by some in his OWN party, even though he in essence got NO due process.

They're of the "We have to be 1,000% above reproach/Republicans" crowd.

You know, those "We HAVE to be pure as the driven snow" folks

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
47. Effie have you considered those attacks aren't coming from the left
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:34 AM
Apr 2018

But from those pretending to be from the left?

After all, if a person doesn't watch her then what does it matter?

And if a person spends his/her evenings on Fox News, then jumps on to DU to give his/her input, that input isn't from the left.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
53. There are many on the nebulous "left"...
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:02 AM
Apr 2018

They aren't Fox News people. They do generally align with progressive issues. But their hatred of "establishment" -- specifically DNC and Democrats -- is what makes them also align with right-wingers (without their awareness of doing it) and attack the same people, such as Joy Reid.

All of our issues are complex but I believe the cult of personality is one huge problem in our society. Not only do we have the left-right teams based on following certain leaders, we have the same thing happening internally on the left. The Team Bernie vs Team Hillary remains a huge, huge issue, at least at DU.

I'm not saying all the critique of Joy is from Bernie supporters. Also, some may be indeed be trolls but many others do consider themselves on the left and are almost gleeful to bring down "leaders" on the left.

I wish I could narrow down the types of personalities who tend to do this. It's more than the purity police types. It's more than the "free thinkers" who seem to have a visceral need to reject aligning with popular opinion.

It's interesting but so very damaging.





Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. :) +1. Maybe think "dissident left" because they're always
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 08:31 AM
Apr 2018

against whatever the rest of the left is for? Even when they agree, such as some with universal healthcare, they're compelled by some inner demon to denounce the rest. They can never ally in common cause, but must always oppose, even when that means sabotaging what they say they're for.

An expert on extremism once offered a very succinct lay explanation of that demon. He said the difference between right-wing extremists is that they hate everyone else, while left-wing extremists hate themselves.

I.e., anything they identify themselves with -- their race, their side of the political spectrum, etc.

We've all seen this in action many times ad irritation, tedium, nauseum. In our country these are the ones who, for instance, leap in to passionately blame the U.S. for whatever world problem is being discussed, the contributions of other peoples on the scene to their own problems given about as much attention as Trump does to ants as he strolls the golf course.

This is why they have no real attention left to give to what Republicans are up to. Events may draw their attention briefly away, even generate strong emotional responses; but like rubber bands resisting stretch, hostility always snaps back to us.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
84. Well said!!!
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 12:09 PM
Apr 2018


"...they're compelled by some inner demon to denounce the rest...must always oppose..."

Yes, yes, yes. Everything you said.

Thank you, Hortensis!



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
92. I'm still thanking political psychologists for replacing
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 03:17 PM
Apr 2018

hair-tearing confusion with at least some degree of understanding.



KSNY

(315 posts)
49. Those in NYC and San Francisco have Pacifica
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:52 AM
Apr 2018

We are lucky in NYC to have WBAI, part of the Pacifica network. Pacifica also has stations in DC and Texas, I believe. It is listener-supported public radio. Democracy Now is a national treasure.

I remember hearing Noam Chomsky argue before the election, that to vote for anyone other than Hillary in purple states was a foolish choice since it would that would take decades to reverse the damage to the progressive agenda Trump's election would produce.

I'm not sure that I would like a progressive Fox-style network. Don't like the anger and propagandistic tone. I think that those on the left are more thoughtful.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
72. There is a big hole in the market. I would like to see someone step up to the plate
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 10:15 AM
Apr 2018

to fill it. Surely there is a demand.

Wounded Bear

(58,654 posts)
74. Because we don't believe in that kind of propaganda...
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 10:19 AM
Apr 2018


As has been stated, progressives tend to be more intelligent and less swayed by lizard brain emotional arguments.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
76. I agree
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 10:43 AM
Apr 2018

It's sad to see how the left is so easily manipulated by GOP and Russian trolls into attacking and tearing down some of our most effective people.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
85. well i like news analysis from a leftist perspective, not DNC neoliberal talking points.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 12:21 PM
Apr 2018

I have plenty of places to go for my point of view anyway I don't need mainstream cable tv for that . I haven't watched MSNBC since Obama first was elected in 2008 so i am personally indifferent to what happens there. I haven't had a tv since then! lol I am not concerned about what Joy Reid might or might not have posted and probably won't give her much thought after all this dies down. I was just annoyed at the implication that I, as a gay man, had a lot of nerve being critical of a "national treasure" People are so quick to throw the LGBT community under the bus when it suits them politically. I am not part of a Berniebro/Russian plot to bring a "national treasure" down.

I wish the best for Joy Reid and her supporters.

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