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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:38 PM Apr 2018

The actual ruling in the Stormy Daniel's case, if you are interested


This is the actual ruling on the 90 day stay. As reporters tend to often fail to report the basis of a decision, or sort of miss the point of where a particular ruling falls into the procedural landscape of the proceeding, you may want to have a look at it yourself:


https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.704250/gov.uscourts.cacd.704250.53.0.pdf

" It is also quite possible that the
outcome of the criminal inves
tigation will benefit the parties
and the Court by streamlining the
issues and questions presented in this action.
Accordingly, the interests of judicial efficiency
weigh in favor of a temporary stay. "

The point being that this is not to say the entire criminal proceeding needs to run its course. It is more along the lines of "let's have a look-see when we know what Cohen winds up being indicted for, specifically" in order to decide whether the scope of probable discovery or testimony in this case is relevant to the contract claims being litigated.

It may also be, as it often is, that a suspect under indictment such as Cohen, may negotiate the terms of that indictment, in the event he becomes cooperative.

But given the relatively more consequential criminal case, compared to a civil suit over a contract, the judge most probably doesn't want anything to happen in this proceeding that is going to potentially throw a curveball into the mix during the process of vetting the evidence and finally charging Cohen with something in the SDNY.
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The actual ruling in the Stormy Daniel's case, if you are interested (Original Post) jberryhill Apr 2018 OP
Imagine Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
Blah manor321 Apr 2018 #2
Believe me, when you have the kind of documentary evidence The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #5
There are still some pending motions jberryhill Apr 2018 #7
I just read Cohen's memorandum. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #9
Oh, I didn't notice how Avenatti shot himself in the foot jberryhill Apr 2018 #11
This is not upside-down at all - it IS streamlining EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13
Except for Avenatti putting the defamation/SLAPP claims on ice jberryhill Apr 2018 #16
Irrelevant to my point EffieBlack Apr 2018 #17
Avenatti is appealing this ruling, but I don't really see him prevailing on this unless it goes hlthe2b Apr 2018 #3
Criminal matters normally get the fast track, as they should. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #4
A 90 day stay is not appealable jberryhill Apr 2018 #12
I was wondering about that. Why is Avenatti saying he'll appeal? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #14
Who flipping knows jberryhill Apr 2018 #15
So, to me, looks like Cohen is probably going to be indicted. blogslut Apr 2018 #6
Well, yes, that was Cohen's point jberryhill Apr 2018 #8
Yeah, sorry. blogslut Apr 2018 #10

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
1. Imagine Flynn, Manafort, Cohen,
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:43 PM
Apr 2018

Pruitt, Carson, and the rest, the crimes, the treason, the emoluments violations, imagine if ANY democrat let alone Hillary was doing any of this and these were people associated with ANY democrat or her.

Imagine if HER close legal associate was being investigate the way Flynn, Cohen, Manafort and the 20 others are.

Would the media or the GOP or for that matter even the DNC tolerate it for a YEAR and a HALF? No, not a week and a half.

Fucking hypocrites

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. Blah
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:44 PM
Apr 2018

Only in the upside-down legal world is delaying this by three months referred to as "streamlining".

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
5. Believe me, when you have the kind of documentary evidence
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:52 PM
Apr 2018

and the factual and legal complexities that are being presented here, three months is pretty fast. There is an enormous amount of work involved in just reviewing documents.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. There are still some pending motions
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 07:08 PM
Apr 2018

The SLAPP motion on the defamation claim can probably go forward on the admitted facts.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Oh, I didn't notice how Avenatti shot himself in the foot
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 10:15 AM
Apr 2018

The court WAS going to simply stay the contract action, and let the defamation/SLAPP part go forward, but Avenatti screwed himself there. Footnote 4:


The Court had originally considered denying the stay with respect to the second cause of action for defamation. However, Defendants have requested a stay of the entire proceedings and Plaintiff argued during the hearing that the Court's ability to hear the defamation claim relies upon the validity of the Agreement's arbitration provision and is thus inseverable from the first cause of action. (See Tr. 36:11-38:09.) The Court interprets Plaintiff's argument as indicating that if a stay is warranted, it should be granted as to the entire action, and rules accordingly.

Why on earth Avenatti would argue that the defamation claim hinges on the validity of the arbitration agreement is a stumper.
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
13. This is not upside-down at all - it IS streamlining
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 10:22 AM
Apr 2018

Having two cases hanging on overlapping facts is cumbersome and counter-productive. One court stepping back and letting the more urgent matter play itself out is very efficient. Among other things, because the burden of proof is fpdifferent in the two cases, it’s possible and even likely that they could end up with different results on the same question on the same facts. THAT’s inefficient.

Once the criminal court resolves various matters - using a higher standard of proof that will allow the civil court to summarily dispose of several questions without trying them all over again - the civil case can move forward much more expeditiously.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. Except for Avenatti putting the defamation/SLAPP claims on ice
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 11:33 AM
Apr 2018

Footnote 4:

The Court had originally considered denying the stay with respect to the second cause of action for defamation. However, Defendants have requested a stay of the entire proceedings and Plaintiff argued during the hearing that the Court's ability to hear the defamation claim relies upon the validity of the Agreement's arbitration provision and is thus inseverable from the first cause of action. (See Tr. 36:11-38:09.) The Court interprets Plaintiff's argument as indicating that if a stay is warranted, it should be granted as to the entire action, and rules accordingly.

Pro-tip 1 - If you have two causes of action, and the other side wants to stay one of them, don't argue that the other one relies on the one sought to be stayed.

Pro-tip 2 - Don't tweet that you are going to appeal a non-appealable 90-day interim stay, unless you are counting on your audience to have short memories.

hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
3. Avenatti is appealing this ruling, but I don't really see him prevailing on this unless it goes
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:44 PM
Apr 2018

beyond 90 days.... Do you?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
4. Criminal matters normally get the fast track, as they should.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:50 PM
Apr 2018

Makes total sense to me, and I doubt Avenatti will succeed with an appeal. There's a pretty delicate balance going on here, and I don't think the courts are going to do anything that could arguably infringe Cohen's Fifth Amendment rights, or affect in any way how the criminal case will proceed. Cohen hasn't even been charged yet, so it's reasonable to at least let the indictments come out.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
14. I was wondering about that. Why is Avenatti saying he'll appeal?
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 11:21 AM
Apr 2018

Doesn't he know, or is he just talking for the TV?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Who flipping knows
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 11:27 AM
Apr 2018

Avenatti certainly should know that an interim order like this is not appealable.

He also should have known that (a) his initial order to expedite was untimely, and (b) using the previous 'meet and confer' requirement for the renewed motion was improper (and received a further order requiring a joint signoff on future motions).

He also should have known that putting the defamation claim in the same basket of claims subject to Cohen's motion was an unnecessary and dumb idea that has now delayed action on the defamation claim; and he should have known that entering an appearance in the NY action for no good purpose was only going to help Cohen's motion (indeed Cohen filed a motion for judicial notice of his appearance in that proceeding).

He has scored four own-goals so far. He's doing great on TV. In this litigation, not so much.

In other news, McDougal is already dusted and done with her action premised on the exact same type of agreement.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. Well, yes, that was Cohen's point
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 07:09 PM
Apr 2018

That observation - that Cohen is likely to be indicted - is what Cohen needed to argue in support of his motion for a stay.

The fact that he is likely to be indicted, in other words, helped him to prevail on this motion.
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