Wypipo Held a Protest for White Teacher Who Slapped, Kicked and Pulled Locs of Sleeping Student

[sheshe2]

A group of alabastard activists held an #EvilWhiteWomenLivesMatter march in South Carolina after a teacher was filmed standing on a student’s desk, rubbing her feet on him and pulling his dreadlocks as he slept in her classroom.


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On Thursday, residents in Williamston, S.C., peacefully marched to support Lisa Houston, a Palmetto High School teacher who was caught on camera treating a black student like a combination of a rag doll and floor mat, putting her hands and feet on the sleeping student, even lightly kicking him in the face and slapping him as the other children in the classroom laughed at her Caucasian shenanigans.

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After the incident went viral on social media, Beckyzilla decided that it was best for her to retire. But people in the community were so outraged, they decided to protest.

In one of the most amazing displays of unapologetic whiteness ever witnessed, students and community members marched from the school to the district office in a “prayer walk” (whatever the hell that is) to support Slappy White and to let the world know the positive impact she had on their lives.

More:https://www.theroot.com/wypipo-held-a-protest-for-white-teacher-who-slapped-ki-1825782119

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This perceived superiority by white people needs to stop. Her actions were evil. Who treats a child like that? Who? Only a very sick individual, a teacher no less, acts like that. The fugg?

[Loki Liesmith]

1. What's a wypipo?

[sheshe2]

2. White people...

As said by a black man, the author Michael Harriot.

[Bok_Tukalo]

7. A race based pejorative for Caucasians.

Kind of like “Becky” but that is reserved for female Caucasians.

[Tipperary]

8. What does it stand for? Curious, since it is said by a man about a woman.

[Bok_Tukalo]

11. I'm not sure what you are asking.

It is just a race based pejorative.

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Pejorative?

Who gets to decide that is what it is? You?

[TheSmarterDog]

24. Whiny wypipo are whiny.

[Bok_Tukalo]

25. Do you think of positive things when you hear the word?

Do you think of any other group than Caucasians?

Don’t be obtuse. It’s rude.

[Demit]

27. It doesn't sound rude to me.

[Tipperary]

88. It sounds ignorant to me.

[sheshe2]

32. Well

Do you think of positive things when you hear the word?

No I don't, though well deserved, anymore than I have positive thoughts to a white woman wiping her feet on a black student while standing on top of his desk looming over him then yanking on his dreads. She is an effing TEACHER!!! Sadly you have no issue with that, only the term wypipo.

[Bok_Tukalo]

34. I was answering a question. And others debated the word.

Save the “umbrage.”

[sheshe2]

37. No.

Actually you started the conversation.

Bok_Tukalo (4,022 posts)
7. A race based pejorative for Caucasians.

Kind of like “Becky” but that is reserved for female Caucasians.

Then went on to insult Eliot.

Bok_Tukalo (4,022 posts)
25. Do you think of positive things when you hear the word?

Do you think of any other group than Caucasians?

Don’t be obtuse. It’s rude.

You called Eliot obtuse and rude.

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Care to actually comment on the Op and not speak unkindly of posters that comment.

TIA

[Bok_Tukalo]

42. Your retelling of the sequence of events is inaccurate.

First response was "What's a wypipo?"

I answered.

Eliot Rosewater then responded to my answer with "Who gets to decide that is what it is? You?" making it aggressively personal.

I responded in kind to his, or her, confrontational approach to the logomachy.

[sheshe2]

45. And still no comment on the OP itself.

You woke, so please respond to the teachers actions.

[Eliot Rosewater]

103. I like how I can be personally attacked, insulted and NOTHING happens to that

Getting tired of it, maybe I could be of more use elsewhere

In fact...

[NCTraveler]

104. Some are desperate to fire back with a certain word and know they can't.

Through their own privilege and ignorance they believe the words are on equal footing. I’m convinced that is why some of the arguments simply make no sense. It’s about something else to them. They are being “oppressed”.

[heaven05]

78. nice diversion

Rosewater asked a question of you. You failed to answer. Who turned wypipo into a pejorative? You.

[mythology]

106. Logic and commonsense

It's a childish term and it really only serves to undermine the person's argument. Do you really think there's a valid argument that the term isn't being used to thumb her nose at others? I certainly haven't

Think of it this way. How do Republicans mean it when they say "the Democrat Party"? They aren't using a historical slur, but they use it to be small and petty. If a word is used to insult, then it's a slur. Whether it's offensive is up to the listener.

[heaven05]

113. okay

[heaven05]

77. this one is

clueless about offensive terms and words. I am using it everywhere I go. Thank You!!!!

[LanternWaste]

75. It's a bit of an irony that you're telling someone else to "save the 'umbrage.''

It's a bit of an irony that you're telling someone else to "save the 'umbrage.''

[marble falls]

44. I agree with you: the bigger outrage is a white teacher doing....

this to a black kid. She was teaching something all right.

[heaven05]

76. I read it and chuckle

and repeat, NOTHING rude except to those who "protesteth too much". The word Wypipo doesn't rise to the offensive level of n****r in any context EVER. I chuckled on reading it. And truthfully it took a while before I 'got it'. Now how long does it take you to understand n****r when used in any context by wypipo? Just a question.

[heaven05]

83. To understand

your response. I am supposed to think positive things when white people is used in any context and is understood to mean the white race. Right? BUT I am supposed to feel my negative/positive thought processes when I view the word wypipo. Right? Where there is no missing the negative when the term/word n****r is used by wypipo. Right? I am missing your reason for being offended, completely.

[Igel]

30. Whoever objects to it, that's who.

It's like any other epithet. Offense is in the ears of the perceiver, it would appear, and nobody has a right to say, "I'm sorry, but your perceptions as a ____________ are inadequate for making that judgment. Let me 'splain to you how you really should react to it and understand it."

When English speakers say, "This is offensive," they may mean that "most others (like me?) think this is offensive" or "I find it offensive." It's like saying, "It's too hot in here." Others may well disagree, but it diminishes the perception of the speaker not a whit.

[EffieBlack]

54. You may choose to be offended by it, but "wypipo" is not an epithet

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It's a play on how some black people pronounce "white people" and describes a certain mindset and behaviors.

[heaven05]

81. No it isn't

"LIKE ANY OTHER EPITHET". Period. It just a play on words about a race of people. And I repeat to all the offendees....NOTHING is EVER misunderstood when the term n****r is used. Everyone has their soul touched when that term is used. In both positive and negative ways. Wypipo who use the term n****r are just restating a value in their judgement of AA. The AA get slammed. Wypipo describes. N*****r dehumanizes and degrades the worth of another person.

God !!!! This whining over a description of white people by the word wypipo. Well, at least those doing the most whining can feel what has been felt by AA since our INCEPTION into this country.

[heaven05]

74. DOESN'T

seem pejorative, racially. It's a word play on white people. Hope not too many get their feelings involved. I postulate that wypipo is a chuckle word designed to ask white people also, WHY? For everything involved in racism. The fear I understand and that is on wypipo for having such hate against the POC. The rest like the true pejorative, )n****r, I DON'T.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. It looks like a phonetic (in dialect) way of saying

"white people" as sheshe noted.

Wy (white) pipo (people) almost like "why'pee'po'

[sheshe2]

22. Yep.

Michael uses that a lot.

[Sancho]

79. When I grew (and taught school) in Charleston, South Carolinians were called "sandlappers"

As a child, we often spoke Gullah. As a new teacher in coastal SC, I was given a paddle (for corporal punishment) cut out of an old desk top on my first week of teaching.

We had Bible study (yes, it was a public school), and the elected superintendent was a Baptist minister.

I gave a basketball player a ride home after a game, and was pulled over and asked, "why did I have that boy in the car?". When I explained I was a new teacher, the Officer let me go and told me he had heard there was a new teacher in town, but didn't recognize my car. I told him it was a Fiat, and he said, "even though I didn't go to college, he was sure that 'fee-aught' was not spelled Fiat".

In the 60s, we'd switch back and forth to versions of Gullah, but it's a dead language now.

"Cause God lob all the people men de wol sommuch data e gii e onliest Son."

[De Nyew Testament]

SC still has a lot of Wypipos.

[EffieBlack]

52. This is a good example of a very interesting dynamic of race in America

i.e., that black people must be and are familiar with all of the ins and outs, nuances, lingo, etc., of the majority white culture. But "wypipo" often know very little about us, our language, our jokes, etc.

I think most black people know exactly what "wypipo" means, but very few white people seem to know. And it's not like it's a secret - it's all over the Internet, black writers often use the term, and it's frequently written about. But, for some reason, very few whites ever expose themselves to these things, even though they're readily available.

White folk can pretty much go through life without knowing very much about us. But we cannot function in the world without being extraordinarily sensitive to and aware of every aspect of the white life.

Years ago, I played a Richard Pryor comedy record for some college classmates, some white, some black. Much of Pryor's humor was observational - he studied various idiosyncrasies of the races and mimicked them with unparalleled genius. While everyone got some of his jokes, most of the jokes had us black folk "SCAREEMING" with laughter. I mean falling off the beds and rolling on the floor, banging our heads and feet, gasping for breath and yelling "Stop! Turn it off! I'm going to PEEEE!"... as our white friends just stared at us with puzzled expressions that said, "I don't get it."

I figured out that they knew so little about us that they didn't know why Pryor's dead-on riffs on black people were so funny. They just didn't know us well enough to know why that was funny. And, on the other hand, they had no idea that we observe white folk very carefully and often laugh at their funny ways as hard as we laugh at our own. But they didn't think of themselves as "wypipo" - they just saw themselves as "people" (although they still saw us as "black people" ), so they had no idea what the joke was.

Richard Pryor example: "White people buy concert tickets six, seven months in advance. Black people show up 15 minutes after the concert starts and want to argue. 'Whattayou mean I can't come in?! I'm DRESSED, motherf*cker!" Of course, he was generalizing and stereotyping, but there was so much truth in it. White people DID tend to get their tickets early and black people did tend to wait until the last minute.

Another example that I think most black people will get but white folk, not so much: Potato salad.

None of this is either here nor there. Just one of the things that make me go, "Hmmm?"

[BumRushDaShow]

65. !!!!

Whole lotta examples. Both Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy did that (and even Red Foxx before them - my mother was a fan of him and would talk about his risque standup). I remember sitting in my god-brothers' basement listening to Richard Pryor records (everyone knew someone who had them).

I know going to a college with 25,000 whites and 400 blacks meant many all-night dorm room sessions going through the same types of exchanges and observations as you mention and opening some eyes. Little cultural things like (at least in college) to whites a "party" was for "drinking" and to blacks a "party" was for "dancing". I.e., whites would go to a party to drink and blacks would drink before going to a party.

I know this is "generalizing" and obviously not "all", but it is observational.

I know in my junior year in college, Eddie's debut album came out and was an instant classic. This one was a riot -

That whole album was just classic in terms of observational humor when he was up and coming. I miss the old Eddie Murphy!

[EffieBlack]

66. And white people used "party" as a verb while no self-respecting black person ever did ...

Again, generalizations, but you get the point.

Did you get the potato salad reference?

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Yup

[EffieBlack]

68. LOL!

[BumRushDaShow]

71. We used to go to

sweat-box affairs!

[heaven05]

86. yep

thanks, it helps. Made laughter escape my soul and have sound . Felt good...

[AllyCat]

28. Becky is not always bad.

It depends on context. Neither is wypipo.

[MineralMan]

26. Say it out loud.

It's self-explanatory.

[sheshe2]

33. Thanks. nt

[Sailor65x1]

31. Well, from an electromagnetic spectrum standpoint,

It's the functional opposite of "Blapipo."

[sheshe2]

35. +1

[Blue_true]

50. It may be related to a dialect that is spoken by some black peoples in

some parts of South Carolina and Georgia. There is a term for people of that descent, but it escapes my mind at this time. They have a very distinct language and culture that has withstood time and assimilation.


Update: South Carolina west African islanders are Gullah (from Sandy Island South Carolina to other SC islands). For the Georgia islands and north Florida coastal regions, the people are called Geechee. The groups have very distinct language and customs that go back approximately 300 years.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

53. Someone who gets madder about the term "wypipo" than the white teacher's actions and supporters.

[EffieBlack]

55. LOL!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

56. I mean...

[Demsrule86]

3. Sick teacher glad she is gone and sick supporters of what is child abuse.

[Afromania]

4. Sometimes I wish there was a button you could push to turn the world off for a bit and walk away.

I clicked on this story read a bit and got to the story with the baby on the side bar there. Just the picture of that baby's injuries has me legit tearing up. Between the two stories I don't know. I mean you know but sometimes one hits you the right way and it's like the hell with all of this. May not be a button for turning of the world but there is one for the internet and I'm going to press it and find an unfinished book to read.


sincerely tired of people and their evil ass bullshit......

[smirkymonkey]

64. I know what you mean.

Sometimes I just have to log off and go watch a funny movie or something. Shit like this just really upsets me and I have no words for the despair I feel. I just feel sad and angry and I need to unplug for a while.

[lunasun]

5. What is she teaching the other kids? Strange behavior to support via protest . Prayer walk? What's

the prayer they are saying ? Do not retire we want more of this and we will pay for it don't go we are praying you will stay ?

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qyd884cxlebxspmgtdym.png

[sheshe2]

6. She taught them to laugh at what she did.

They think it is funny...shows the shits the teacher and kids are.

[Me.]

9. KR

To keep this going

Love that WyPiPo

[sheshe2]

12. Thanks, me.

Michael Harriot is always spot on.

WyPiPo.

Hmm.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. I wonder why this story was ...i cant say i guess, i will pm

[jberryhill]

36. And obviously intimidated the student and father into not complaining

https://blavity.com/florida-teacher-violates-black-student-by-pulling-his-locs-stepping-on-him-in-absurdly-bold-effort-to-wake-him-up

Julian Johnson, the father of the student being woken up in the video, said that neither he, nor his son, called for any disciplinary action against Houston. In fact, Johnson said his family wasn't aware that Houston was in any trouble until his son was called to speak to school officials.

[lunasun]

47. Well the parents/ community protesting and prayer walking too then I guess

Wouldn't a non deplorable teacher send him to the nurse or call the family about him falling asleep if it was chronic behavior and he was that out of it and wouldn't wake up
If it was a one time thing of course even more despicable

[irisblue]

10. This is the twitter images I saw earlier today

How is this not assualt?

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

15. It is assault.

A white person, aggravated assault on a black STUDENT. I am suuuure she does the same to all her white students.

Fuck her and those that support her actions.

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. I understand the assault is anyone who reports the story, but we both

know how that goes, dont we.

[sheshe2]

19. I guess we do.

Some just do not want to see what is happening. Denial, when it is a fact.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. TBH this story and the one where the two young black men were slaughtered

are so outrageous I make triple sure they are real before I comment.

IF

THIS

WAS

happening to NON people of color at the hands of POC, this nation would erupt in mass violence.

But since it is still happening to one group, by another, no big deal I guess.

Notice i dont use the W word, it instantly draws all kinds of attention.

[Ms. Toad]

21. Including the black students who are supporting her?

The crowds protesting her retirement appear to be about the same racial composition as the school (5.6% black)

http://www.wyff4.com/article/students-parents-protest-in-support-of-anderson-county-teacher-who-retired-after-social-media-video/20144914

[EffieBlack]

38. Black people are not immune from racism

The fact that some black people support Donald Trump does not make him any less racist or his policies and behavior any less despicable.

And let's not even talk about the women who support him - their support does not mean he's not a misogynist pig.

[jberryhill]

40. The student and his father are examples of this

https://blavity.com/florida-teacher-violates-black-student-by-pulling-his-braids-stepping-on-him-in-absurdly-bold-effort-to-wake-him-up

Julian Johnson, the father of the student being woken up in the video, said that neither he, nor his son, called for any disciplinary action against Houston. In fact, Johnson said his family wasn't aware that Houston was in any trouble until his son was called to speak to school officials.
“My son has nothing to do with this," Johnson said. "He was tired and went to sleep. I didn’t call for her to be fired. I wish it would go away and that it never happened.”

http://www.complex.com/life/2018/05/students-protest-forced-resignation-of-teacher-caught-on-camera-slapping-and-kicking-black-student

District board member Doug Atkins, the school's former principal who hired Houston nearly three decades ago, stepped down from his board position as a result of the incident, WLTX also reports. "You can tell that she was playing with him," he said. "Even the boy himself wrote a letter that he knows she was teasing and he loved her. They just jumped the gun on her, and I don't want to be a part of it."

Wonder how much it cost to get Atkins to lie or the student in question to write a letter supporting her.

[EffieBlack]

41. There's a reason slavemasters preferred having slaves as overseers

They were much harder on their fellow slaves than white overseers were.

Same reason that the SS running concentration camps often put Jewish prisoners in charge of the barracks - One of the ugly results of oppression is that oppressed people sometimes tend to adopt the characteristics of their oppressors as a method of survival.

[Ms. Toad]

48. I'm aware of that -

Among people who know her, her support seems to be approximately equivalent to the black population in the community (i.e. the alabastard protest is that way in large part because the population is 94% white), and the student involved and his father disagree with the "retirement," and I can't find any statements from any black individual in the community who suggests the incident was race-based.

That makes me wonder if this particular incident wasn't just a really poor exercise of judgment. I'd like to know more from the people involved/who know her. And I'd like to know if the person recording the video just thought it was another incident of her clowning around (which she apparently had a reputation for) - or someone who was posting it for the purpose of drawing attention to either really stupid or racist behavior - perhaps even because other means of drawing attention to it had failed.

I employ unconventional teaching methods as well - one of which is to "threaten" my students with plastic knives to create a fact pattern for them to analyze for assault. They struggle to connect the factual clues to analysis. This exercise gives them something that they are likely to remember because it is so absurd - and gets them to connect things like expression, physical reaction, etc, to the experience of apprehension. If someone was taping the "threats," without the context of the exercise that follows - it might create quite a stir - especially if I chose a black student as my "victim."

[EffieBlack]

51. Are you SERIOUS? This was NOT an "unconventional teaching method."

And these are not adult college or law students learning about the elements of various torts and crimes. And please spare us the "opportunity without context" defenses.

Do you never tire of playing "devil's advocate" and making excuses for racist behavior?

Good Lord.

[Ms. Toad]

57. Have you read any reports of the incident beyond the one linked to in the OP?

Every report I have seen from people who were directly involved, or who know the teacher, regardless of their race, seem to have a very different view of the teacher (and perhaps the incident) than people who are basing their assessment solely on the video without any surrounding context - such as the relationship between the teacher and the student involved, the rest of her class, and the nature of the other unconventional activities that seem to be consistently attributed to her.

I'm interested in hearing from people, especially blacks, who had her as a teacher, who have children in her class, or who were present during the incident. I'm interested in hearing from the person who posted the video and, particularly if it was posted by a person of color.

[EffieBlack]

58. Yes, yes - you always insist there's nor to the story

And tell us we must withhold judgment until we have all the facts - even when the facts are as clear as day.

I recall just a couple of weeks ago, you took the same tack about the Starbucks arrest and, no matter what facts were presented to you, you stood your ground and insisted that the police were fully authorized to make an arrest based on a manager's racist and false claim, and consistently mischaracterized the law, about which you were flat out wrong.

I don't know what additional facts you need here to know that there are NO circumstances in which ANY teacher should EVER treat a student that way. I don't care what black kids in her class think about her or what she did and didn't do in the past and I don't care what happened before the video started. Because apologists for abuse of black folk either claim it didn't happen and when someone actually gets it on video, insists that we don't know what happened BEFORE the video started and even when they get evidence of what happened before, they find some other reason to make excuses for the abuse and to err on the side of the abuser.

So, you can make all the excuses you want - but it doesn't change the fact that this was wrong.

[Ms. Toad]

61. Two different issues

The former was a legal issue. We agree as to the actions of Starbucks, we differ as to the application of the law to a particular set of facts. A difference of opinion as to the application doesn't make me any more flat out wrong than it makes you flat out wrong.

As to this incident - this is being labeled racist by people who have seen the video. Unlike the Starbucks incident, it is not being labeled racist by anyone who knows the teacher or who was present (including the student involved and his father) - at last not that I've been able to find. I have not found any black member of that community, current or former student, or parent, who is labeling it as a racist incident - and her support among the blacks appears to be about the same as it is among whites (based on a rough count of blacks present in the televised protests on her behalf). That tells me there is more to this incident that what we see in the video - and I'd like to know what these people who were involved and who know the teacher and who support her know that we, who can only see the video, don't.

[EffieBlack]

63. Two different issues, but you keep taking the same approach

Always struggling to defend indefensible treatment of minorities, always giving the benefit of the doubt to the person causing harm while looking for excuses to explain their bad behavior.

Here, you see a white teacher physically mock and taunt a black student - and when people express outrage, you jump in to conjure up excuses for the teacher because you haven't seen or heard a black person call it a racist incident. And, I have no doubt that if someone did, you'd ignore them or say they were wrong, just as you did in the Starbucks case, where plenty of people involved, black and white, said it was a case of racial discrimination and false arrest.

In the Starbucks case, we didn't have a "difference of opinion about the application of the law to a particular set of facts." You consistently misstated the law itself, claiming that the law permitted police to make a trespass arrest solely on the manager's accusation - even if the accusation was obviously based on racial bias - and that the affirmative defense to trespass was irrelevant to the matter, when in fact, the settled law in Pennsylvania is exactly opposite and the fact that the police ONLY relied on the manager's claim without considering the affirmative defense made the arrest illegal. We didn't disagree about the law's application to the facts - you consistently insisted that the law allowed something it does not.

Of course, DU isn't a court of law and we don't have to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt or launch a full investigation into every matter before forming an opinion. But one can't help but notice that your opinion usually tends to come down on the side of the person engaging in the apparently racist act against the person being victimized by it.

[heaven05]

93. exactly true

every word

[heaven05]

92. well

maybe this 'teacher' is in the early stages of dementia. How's that? You also talk of the black students supporting her action. Nothing emphasized by you or mentioned takes away from those who don't support her actions. I'd be willing to say more wanted her 'retired' than didn't.

[Ms. Toad]

101. Please point me to links from people in her community

who want her retired. I've looked, and I'm not finding them.

[heaven05]

90. really?

you want to know more about this situation and teacher? Is that right? Diabetes makes people very tired. A possible reason for tiredness of student. We don't know. Yet rubbing ones feet on another human being, pulling on hair that the puller/tugger might fear in her ignorance is not debatable or excusable. IF a black teacher had done this to a white student, Fox news, national, would have that incident as the lead story for the whole crowd of 'deplorables' to whine about and possibly act upon. This action by this teacher is hate personified and inescapable to a person, me, who has been hated all his life because....wait for it.....his colour. I KNOW HATE when it is directed at me by wypipo. No one can 'whitesplain' it away.

[Ms. Toad]

105. I have no doubt that you know hate when it is directed at you by wypipo

I know when hate is directed at me as a lesbian.

I also know when a stupid act is just that - a stupid act - and has nothing to do with me being a lesbian, even though if it had been captured in isolation and spread as a viral video it would appear to the rest of the world as hate act, based on the fact that I'm a lesbian.

The very reason I want to know more is that I respect your knowledge of when hate is directed at you by wypipo. I give the student and his father the same respect. I expect they know, as well - and they apparently do not believe this was hate being directed at him because he was black. I give the other blacks who know her the same respect - and I have yet to find any black person who was her student, community member, or otherwise interacted with her, who asserts this was race-based.

[heaven05]

112. okay

[heaven05]

87. so that

makes what she did acceptable? Hell slaves told on other slaves who were trying to escape their torturous lives. Brainwashed to the max. The students that support her are brainwashed. Wypipo and AA. For different reasons mind you...

[Ms. Toad]

100. It does not make it acceptable -

but from anything I can find, she is a very hands-on teacher with all of her students. This particular student happens to be black, so because this video was of her interacting physically with a black student, it is viewed as racist.

I am not discounting that blacks can have as much internalized racism as anyone else, and would not identify an incident as racist - or feel free to speak out about it if they did.

But when what I find is that there are no blacks present (including the student), or in the community (including his parent) who identify it as a race-based incident and that she is routinely described as being a hands-on teacher with all of her students, I find it hard to believe that all of the blacks in the community, or who know her, were brainwashed - and am skeptical that this stupid stunt was race-based.

That said, even if she also regularly physically engages with her students who are white (as anything I have found suggests) - she should have been conscious of how her interaction wtih this student would play if captured without that context and avoided it.

[EffieBlack]

109. In the Starbucks case, you didn't care at all what any of the other people there thought

Those people thought the arrest was race-based, but you insisted that what they thought was completely irrelevant to whether the arrest was legal.

But now it matters what everyone else thinks and you read the fact they HAVEN’T said anything as some kind of proof that the teacher wasn’t wrong?

Ok.

[Ms. Toad]

114. You're comparing apples to hockey pucks

In Starbucks the men involved (and others present) asserted the claims were racially motivated. My presumption in that incident, based on the perception of those present, is that it was racially motivated and I would need to be convinced otherwise.

(My opinion on whether it was racially motivated not change my perspective on the legal question of where the remedy lies - which is not at the arrest level, but via a civil rights complaint against Starbucks)

Here, police are not involved, so when you compare the teacher to the police, you're comparing apples to hockey pucks.

As to the racial animus of the person alleged to be directly discriminating (i.e. comparing the teacher to the analogous Starbucks manager) in each case, I am not basing my presumption on what blacks have NOT said. I am basing it on what those most directly involved have said: (the student, and his parent) and other black students, parents, friends, etc. who are speaking out in support of the teacher.

Sargent notes the administrative team at the school spoke with the student’s father, mother and student and none felt like there were “any abusive or ill motives.”

The following morning, Sargent contacted the student.

“The student told me that the teacher was 'playing' around with him trying to get him to wake up,” the report reads. “The student stressed that the teacher wasn’t angry, nor was she trying to hurt him.”

Sargent also met with the father of the student.

“He said that he felt like the incident was done in humor and not meant for ill intent,” the report reads.

http://www.wyff4.com/article/report-father-student-thought-teacher-standing-on-desk-trying-to-wake-student-was-done-in-humor/20430714

I have looked, and I have not found anyone present, who knows the teacher, or is familiar with how the student interacts with her students, who suggests there is a racial animus.

In any incident in which a minority appears to be targeted based on their minority status, my presumption about whether the incident was motivated because of bias starts with the perception of the person targeted, subject to being convinced that presumption is wrong by other members of that same minority involved in the incident (first), those who are familiar with the context or individual perpetrator (second), and those who have merely viewed an online video (last - especially those who do not appear to have made any inquiry beyond clicking play on a video).

An analogous question would have been, had there been an arrest, whether the police would need to interview other witnesses before arresting her . . . but even that is not entirely analogous because trespass is a crime that continues as long as one is on the property (so the police could actually witness it at the time of the arrest) as opposed to battery, which would have been in the past by the time police arrive).

[EffieBlack]

115. I love the trouble you trouble you always go through to justify racist behavior

As for your “perception of where the legal remedy lies” in the Starbucks arrest, surely you know and certainly you know that I know that you know that your argument was not about the “legal remedy.”

You repeatedly insisted that the police were well within their legal authority to arrest those men solely based on the manager’s accusation and that, in fact, they had no legal requirement to conduct any further inquiry beyond that.

For example:

All of the elements of defiant trespass were readily apparent to the police. They were told by the agent of the owner that the individuals did not have permission to be there (no license), and that had been communicated to them not only by the owner, but by the police.

That doesn't meant the police are required to arrest them (as you keep implying has been asserted), but it does mean they were acting within the law.
...
Nothing within the criminal trespass statute suggests the experience of other customers is relevant to whether these two individuals were committing criminal trespass or had a valid defense. (They must have license which cannot be created by other patrons, or privilege - and nothing I have seen suggests a relevant privilege) .

Because trespassing is dependent on the absence of a license, it is the owner/management that would need to be asked if the other people doing the same thing has permission to be there; it is the property owner (or its agent) that determines whether these other people have a license.
...
So even if there are white individual present engaged in the same behavior, this one-time incident is a matter for the courts in civil rights litigation. Not the police called to the scene to remove someone on the property after the owner, or the owner's designee, has asked them to leave.
...
But, while what other customers say about uniform enforcement is highly relevant to a civil rights claim, it is irrelevant to the criminal matter.

In fact, as I pointed out to you in great detail, including case citations, the police were required by law to do more than just rely on the manager’s claim that they didn’t have permission to be there. In addition, you insisted that the affirmative defense of compliance with all conditions was irrelevant (and you did so with considerable snark and condescension) when the well settled law is that the police MUST take the affirmative defense into account when determining whether there is probable cause to make an arrest.

So, not only was your representation of the law that applied to the arrest completely wrong, your claim here that you were only opining on the available legal remedies is laughable since your opinion that a civil rights discrimination lawsuit was the only possible remedy was based on your patently incorrect view that the police were legally permitted to arrest the men without independently determining the existence of probable cause before making the arrest.

Given this, it’s difficult to take you seriously when you again, true to form, engage in rather tortured, twisted “analysis” to try to defend indefensible, racist behavior against an African American. Some people here who don’t know the law may be impressed with your “analysis,” but I’m not in the least bit,.

[heaven05]

111. as a final statement on this teacher

I read something long ago. In slavery times wypipo used little black slave children as bed warmers and feet warmers. My mind immediately pictured that fact as I watched this 'teacher'.

[Hekate]

17. Christ on a trailer hitch

That is appalling

[wellst0nev0ter]

46. That reminds me

where IS that photo of a statue of Jesus Christ actually being put on a trailer hitch?

[MineralMan]

29. Wow! And nobody said anything.

I would have. I did. My high school was about 33% Hispanic. One teacher called a student in my sophomore English class a "beaner." I protested sharply, and ended up in the principal's office. I explained what had happened and reminded the principal that 30 students witnessed it. That was in 1961.

The teacher was gone the next day.

[jberryhill]

39. The student and his father have both had things to say about it

https://blavity.com/florida-teacher-violates-black-student-by-pulling-his-braids-stepping-on-him-in-absurdly-bold-effort-to-wake-him-up

Julian Johnson, the father of the student being woken up in the video, said that neither he, nor his son, called for any disciplinary action against Houston. In fact, Johnson said his family wasn't aware that Houston was in any trouble until his son was called to speak to school officials.
“My son has nothing to do with this," Johnson said. "He was tired and went to sleep. I didn’t call for her to be fired. I wish it would go away and that it never happened.”

http://www.complex.com/life/2018/05/students-protest-forced-resignation-of-teacher-caught-on-camera-slapping-and-kicking-black-student

District board member Doug Atkins, the school's former principal who hired Houston nearly three decades ago, stepped down from his board position as a result of the incident, WLTX also reports. "You can tell that she was playing with him," he said. "Even the boy himself wrote a letter that he knows she was teasing and he loved her. They just jumped the gun on her, and I don't want to be a part of it."

[Captain Stern]

62. Obviously the two of them are too close to the issue to be truly objective.

They are at a distinct disadvantage of actually knowing what happened.

Fortunately for them, there many people, in places far away, that saw a tweet, that will be able to set them straight.

[EffieBlack]

69. You're being sarcastic, but that's often the argument used to DISCOUNT victims and witnesses when

they allege wrongdoing.

I have no doubt if this black student and his family objected to the teacher's treatment, many of the same people who are defending her because the student and his father didn't object would completely dismiss them as overreacting, race-baiting, being manipulated by activists, etc.

We're only reliable when white folk say we're reliable and certain white folk only think we're reliable when we agree with them that racism isn't at play. Otherwise, we don't know what the eff we're talking about.

[Captain Stern]

72. I think you're right.

I think that if the black student and his family were the ones that were objecting, there absolutely would be lots of people that wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. I do believe they would be accused of overreacting, race-baiting, etc. And I think that would be wrong.

I think that in cases like this, the opinion of the people directly affected should be more strongly considered than the opinions of those of us that weren't there, regardless of whether they feel they way we think they should feel. To do otherwise, is condescending.

[EffieBlack]

73. I hear what you're saying an generally agree, but there's an additional layer to consider

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While the young man and his famiy may not have a problem with that treatment, they aren't the only people affected by it. Unlike most situations involving white folk - which are usually treated as isolated incidents - this kind of treatment of a young African-American male threatens to be condoned and replicated far beyond this one act. Most people WON'T see this as a one-time thing but could easily emulate this as an appropriate treatment of a young black men, especially of they hear the man and his family excusing and condoning it.

Unfortunately, in this society, minorities have a heightened responsibility that requires us to consider the consequences of actions, not just for ourselves and our own families, but for our fellow black and brown people far beyond our limited circle.

That's one of the reasons my parents, for example, went out of their way to make sure that our clothes, manners and behavior was immaculate - they knew that many people thought black people were dirty and ignorant and they would be damned if they would let any of their children advanced that stereotype. That's why black and brown people hold our breaths when we hear a heinous crime has been committed
- especially against an innocent white person - out of fear that the suspect looks like us and we are relieved beyond words when it turns out the perpetrator is white.

It's not fair, it's not right, but it's real.

So when I see a black family excuse and defend a white teacher treating their son in a way that appears to be cruel and racist as we fight terrible, biased, racist treatment against our boys and girls across the country, my stomach turns because I know they'll be given much more credence than other parents who rightly object to abuse of their children and they'll be held up as a shield and an excuse to dismiss all manner of racist behavior in the future.

[heaven05]

94. +++ nt

[Gothmog]

70. This is very disturbing

[Bettie]

99. Not acceptable at all

in any context.

Any teacher doing this to any student should be fired immediately with the full support of the community.

The community having a vigil and all is just stupid and shows what kind of people they are and it isn't a good kind.

My oldest son actually saw this stuff before I did and he asked me why the other kids didn't stop this, because he would have stepped between the teacher and the student and had another student get someone from the office.

Kids should never be treated this way. Never.

[Gothmog]

23. K&R

[Initech]

43. White supremacy is the world's biggest hate group.

And since Putin and Trump, it seems to be getting much worse than it is.

[muntrv]

49. Time to inflict Houston's policies on her.

[raven mad]

59. She does not match, even loosely, my definition of a teacher. n/t

[oberliner]

60. Michael Harriot, author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton"

Not someone whose garbage should be posted here.

[heaven05]

96. oh he can't be

right? Wypipo have set the criteria for who should be offended by what for many generations now. If they get pushback by people who are tired of seeing young AA people abused, maligned and summarily executed by lethal injection of bullets then they don't belong here. Response to OP transparent and obvious in its misdirection, diversion and distraction.

[gollygee]

80. For people who were concerned about the "animal rights activist" part of the first "wypipo" thread

It was talking about people who would be horrified if someone stepped on a pet and pulled a pet's tail, but think doing the same thing to a human being who is a person of color might have some logical explanation. If you are an animal rights activist and a human rights activist, then it wasn't talking about you. If you are an animal rights activist but don't care if black people are mistreated, then yeah it was talking about you.

[IluvPitties]

82. Bizarre behavior from the teacher, but...

Was she just tired of dealing with an unruly student and lost her temper? Not everything in life is about race, I hate to say... and I am black, by the way.

[gollygee]

84. Then she isn't fit to be a teacher

I do a lot of substitute teaching, and students are unruly with substitute teachers, but there are lines you simply don't cross. I think the complaint here is white people supporting the white teacher who was unhinged and became violent with a black student, and not a comment on whether she was unhinged due to the student's race. Regardless of whether the student's race factored into her response, would parents have a march in support of a black teacher who behaved like this with a white student?

[IluvPitties]

97. I don't know, I am just befuddled by her behavior.

[gollygee]

98. It is strange

I imagine she felt disrespected because he was asleep, but there are tons of reasons why a kid might fall asleep in class - some of them medical - and it isn't a case of a kid being disruptive or loud. One rule we were taught was to never create more of a disruption than whatever issue you were dealing with. What she did was way, way, way more disruptive than a sleeping kid.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. "Was she just tired of dealing with an unruly student"

He had fallen asleep so how would he have been "unruly"?

Like gollygee, right out of college while looking for a permanent job, I subbed in junior high/high schools for a year (2 school terms) in what was one of the worst districts (within the school system of Philadelphia) and many of these young people were working nights to help support their families. And here in PA, some were even "emancipated minors" meaning they were supporting themselves independently and declared by the state to be that status at age 16 (and up to age 18), along with having obtained "working papers" (work permit for minors) to do so.

There are these insidious perceptions about POC children that white teachers tend to harbor because their circumstances are completely unfathomable beyond the stereotypes that they get fed. Part of this was why the school district here used to require that teachers be city residents. That requirement was eventually eliminated.

[Anon-C]

107. +1 Billion. Thank you! Nt

[EffieBlack]

116. My 7th grade homeroom teacher told my parents I was "disruptive"

My father asked what I was doing to disrupt the class.

“She doesn’t pay attention. And she ignores the other students.”

“Is she rude to them or does she make noise?”

“No.”

“So, what’s she doing?”

“She just sits in the back of the room and reads.”

“What does she read?”

“The New York Times.”

“Ok. I think we’re done here. And, by the way, if you ever tell me or my 12-year-old child that she’s being disruptive by reading The New York Times because she’s probably far too advanced for your class and you are doing such a poor job of holding her interest, I will report you to the superintendent.”

(You won’t be surprised to know the teacher was white and I was the only black student in her class).

[BumRushDaShow]

117. That's how they roll.

My mother wrote a many a letter to the teacher, with copies to the department head, the principal, the district Superintendent, and the School system Superintendent, and mailed them all at the same time.

[EffieBlack]

118. Yup.

Sounds like you had a "behavior problem," too.

Apparently, we both still do ...

[kcr]

85. That is appalling

And not surprising. Here's some info on the state of corporal punishment and abuse in schools in the US, particularly the South: http://www.srcd.org/sites/default/files/documents/spr_30_1.pdf

"The aim of this policy report is to fill the gap in knowledge about school corporal punishment by describing the prevalence and geographic dispersion of corporal punishment in U.S. public schools and by assessing the extent to which schools disproportionately apply corporal punishment to children who are Black, to boys, and to children with disabilities. This policy report is the first-ever effort to describe the prevalence of and disparities in the use of school
corporal punishment at the school and school-district levels.

[average_mo_dem]

89. Ok, this teacher acted inappropriately and should be disciplined.

But what actual proof justifies this racist claptrap from theroot.com and your claim of some "perceived superiority" by this supposed evil white lady?

Using actual racism to condemn perceived racism? I've seen it all now.

[Crunchy Frog]

91. Too bad I have to trash threads that are otherwise discussing important issues.

[kimbutgar]

108. If a kid is sleeping in your class it means you are a lousy teacher

[Blue_Tires]

110. South Carolina? Doesn't surprise me...