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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWypipo is a STUPID term!
I am a white person.
I am outraged by racism and assaults on innocent people, based on the color of their skin.
I am a devoted animal rights activist.
I know numerous POC who share my passion for protecting animals from abuse, along with racism.
I think this made up word is extremely destructive toward social justice. Who came up with it: Sean Hannity perhaps?
I'm white and I totally get that term. I can't stand the type that wypipo describes. I know exactly the type being described and they're annoying as hell.
If you don't fit that description then relax.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)My opinion is that people who try to protect other animals also try to protect humans. It's only white cretins like the Trumps who relish killing innocent endangered species and targeting POC for abuse. The two traits go together like a hand and glove.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)applying it? Entirely?
There are a lot of people out there who use very big brushes to slap their insults on with. Just look at all the people right here who very nastily and angrily condemn the entire white south because some are bigots (hypocritical just a bit!?), or all white men because 2/3 voted for Trump.
I'm white, therefore I am wypipo to many bigots, even if they can't come say so on this board. That's just the way it is and an excellent reason to refuse to use the term. Those bigots who do use it that way might some day need to give it some pretend respectability by referring to their targets as a "the WP word," but right now they can just hide among the acceptance of others.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Well said.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)so up in arms over this term will ever face what People of color do. I imagine they would consider it a victory if all they faced was name calling. Frankly, I am shocked at some of these posts.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for behaviors you wouldn't tolerate in white people somehow displays an anti-racist virtue? You say you're shocked. I'm not. I came to terms long ago with the fact that I'll never understood how some people's minds work.
Fwiw, I feel holding everyone to the same standards of behavior and opportunity is the best route to equality in all spheres. In this thread, that means NO special behavioral excuses for those of special skin colors. I feel that approving aggressive race-based behaviors in anyone is foolish and counterproductive in anyone who truly supports equality. There are ways to discuss racial realities and injustices without giving needless offense to nice people and promoting division. But that's me. That's the way my mind works.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)conservatives. Also racism is associated with power...while name calling is unpleasant without power it is meaningless...in terms of racism. I disapprove of calling people names but I don't see power in the term being bandied around. I am not insulted by it...don't care. I will ignore it myself.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And won't. So let's pass on.
Looking for Russian bots or GOP plants trying to stir up a little race war on DU would be a better use of time. Alert the administrators if you come up with anything.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)some threads, and goes all ways. Oh, well.
I'm off before bed to google and refresh on some common bot responses since I realize I don't remember them. I saw a couple anti-Democrat-trending threads today with a series of short responses keeping them alive and up top that certainly made me think of them, though.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Have a great night.
mcar
(42,307 posts)This white woman finds myself agog at this.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)I can't believe some of the outrage over this term.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The Helmsley lady was the most famous example, she treated all people of all races like shit, but adored her poodle.
LSFL
(1,109 posts)But many people react badly when I rub their ears and tell them they are so sooooo pretty.
pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)You could be arrested...
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Card carrying member here. (Kind of but not really)
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)I AM far kinder to animals than to humans.
I've never been betrayed by an animal.
I've never been mugged by an animal.
I've never had an animal slug me and pull a knife because my paycheck was short.
I've never had an animal insult me on my size or appearance.
I've never had an animal file for an eviction in the middle of a freezing Missouri winter over $100.
I've never had an animal threaten to terminate me if I didn't agree to work overtime without pay.
I've never had an animal try to plant dope on me so they wouldn't catch a charge.
I've never had an animal tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I desperately needed somebody to talk to.
I've never had an animal leave me stranded miles away from home after an argument.
I've never had an animal tell me they wish I were dead or that I was worthless.
On the other hand a human has done each of those things to me.
So yeah, with a few exceptions, I tend to view animals far more favorably than humans.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)25' away from our mobile home on two perimeters.
In mating season I turn the light on before stepping out onto the patio on marsh side at night, just to be sure.
I seldom read in the old swing that used to hang between two palms right at its edge, and specifically never regularly. In fact, I don't walk along the edge regularly or for any length of time since someone told me of watching an alligator keeping pace with the previous owner as she did that.
And we never, ever, ever feed the alligators (at least not since I caught my husband disposing of bones and fish entrails out there). I figure it's extremely unwise to teach creatures who consider you food to come to you for it.
So I've never been eaten by an animal and hope to keep it that way in spite of choosing to live in their hunting grounds.
But then I've also never had any of those other things happen to me, except maybe the betrayal, something to do with my choices also I expect. I was expected to work overtime without overtime pay a long time ago, but that just came with being a woman in those days, exploitation, yes, a natural-order thing. As far as animals and people go, I think it's a wash, i.e., depends on the individual. Except for alligators; they'll all eat me if they can.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That person who listed all the things humans have done vs animals has clearly not met up with a fair amount of animals in the wild in their habitats.
Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Hyena, Elk, African Elephants, Rhinos, Alligators, Crocodiles, various sharks, meet up with these in the wild or various other animal species and they will kill you. Saying animals are nicer than humans and deserve better treatment is a bizarre belief.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from the natural world, excepting of course the reality of rubbing up against 300 million pretty tame fellow animals.
Can understand blowing off a bit, though. A safety so profound we don't know it exists does require putting up with a lot of rubbing sometimes.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that animals are better than humans.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)People who are upset about every kind of even slightly mean treatment to any animal, but find excuses why every example of discrimination of a person of color, and every police killing, and every killing by a vigilante (like George Zimmerman) was deserved. Some white people search very hard for excuses when white people mistreat and kill people of color, but take no excuses at all when an animal is hurt.
MurrayDelph
(5,294 posts)like Chris Rock's routine about "Black Folks and <n-word>s," which Rock eventually took back.
procon
(15,805 posts)label, that type of racial stereotyping is OK too, right?
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)Feeling attacked by relatable content, I guess?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Whom do you now resent or distrust as a result of anything they said?
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)is somehow a gift for POC instead of God given right? I don't know.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And if we dont straighten up and show some damned appreciation, theyre going to stop being our allies.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)after all hed been doing to fight for the effing cause, THIS is the thanks he gets.
Sometimes they let the flags fly.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)well. Reminds me of this woman when I was a kid...we were living in Chicago...and she was the wife of my Dad's coworker... thought my Mom had moved to a 'less than desirable neighborhood'...I loved it...there was a pool on the corner and big old houses. Basically, it was a mixed neighborhood. My Dad had grown up there. My Mom said 'I thought you marched with MLK'....called her out (it was fashionable to be liberal then). Her reply was something like, "'my dear that doesn't mean I want to live next door to them".
Bucky
(53,998 posts)For me, the slur has no teeth. I can deal with it. For other people, it's a sign of disrespect. In the interest of removing barriers to social cohesion, I refrain from using racial and ethnic slurs.
Now I don't mind throwing a few insults at interest groups that are uniformly opposed to my interests. Richies, flat earthers, RWNJs etc. Especially in politics. Sarcasm and invective can be very effective tools. But it is neither accurate nor wise to attempt to insult whites as a group who are uniformly opposed to the interests of progressives in the Democratic Party. I think it mostly aids the GOP and the Russian mafia to promote racial polarization in the USA. I find that quite counterproductive.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)Perhaps I missed something.
Either way, people who speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves...
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Now I don't feel that way because I am an animal rights activist...but that is how animal activists are portrayed often.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)people- specifically people of color. Shallow selfish people who pretend to be kind- but have screwed up priorities. Have mostly seen it on Twitter when white folks are enraged over something that seems pretty low priority.
Its not an insult beyond- jeeze you have fucked up priorities. Its very very different from racism in that theyre addressing a subsets attitudes and expression.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)I am not in the least offended by this word.
It doesn't apply to me.
I will go about my day as always.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or love to dance? Or eat organic food?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)Bucky
(53,998 posts)I don't I think the fact that you are not offended does anything to alleviate the perturbation of those who are offended.
It is, of course, somewhat less than a slur of oppression. But it is a form of alienation and otherization of fellow Americans. It builds resentment far more than it promotes understanding.
Shouldn't the fact that a lot of people take offence at this slur be enough for you to see the harm in its usage? Does it make sense to ask for more compassion from people whom you reject the tiny act of showing compassion for?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)wearing a asian dress to her prom. People get offended over the silliest things nowadays. IMO, this is one of those things. Ignore it and it will go away.
We have more important things to be offended by...like this joke of a presidency.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)I mean, they can't all be Russian hackers of course, haha. But generally speaking I think the core democratic value of uniting people in shared economic interests should be the overriding consideration.
The virtue of that girl wearing a Chinese style dress is it's a small act of cultural diffusion. It's a small act, but it has cultural and social utility. It brightens the world.
So I think the proper question is not why should we refrain from saying wypipo, but rather what is the political utility of calling out, or not calling out, this slur.
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)From all the recent "Definitions," it would seem the only way for us to NOT be "Wypipo" is to treat animals the same way Michael Vick treats animals. Pretty ironic when you think about this whole thing.
And your statement about Hannity is strangely sensical, because when you look at the guy who made this expression famous, he might as well BE Hannity.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)It is actually ridiculous to link animal rights activists with racists. In fact, most animal rights activists started out trying to fight racism. Then we learned what was going on with animals. At least that was my transition.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)But there are some animal rights activists who don't care about racism. Simple as that.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)who don't care about racism.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Competely non-sensical.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)I picture wypipo as someone who goes into a full on make out session with their labradoddle while they wait for the police they called to come and remove the non-white people who make them uncomfortable by using a public accommodation in the same way as the wypipo. Pretty sure you don't have to organize a dog fighting ring to avoid the wypipo moniker.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Or fosters dogs or cats in their own home. I take it to be quite broad, at least in my own interpretation. In other words, not just the PETA folks. Anyone who likes animals.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)is wypipo?
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)is a non-sequitur.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)"crazy" in one way or another...and look here....they found a new way!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Its about their values, and what they vent about.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)two black people out of a coffee shop after they've been there for two minutes and haven't bought something yet, then it's talking about them. It's the comparison between people's empathy toward animals vs. people of color.
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I actually think it's kind of funny.
underpants
(182,788 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)the better the glove seems to fit.
lark
(23,097 posts)Especially if you think all animal lovers hate people of other races. I actually think anyone who doesn't like animals (drumpf for ezample) are suspect for being haters, not the opposite.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Is not the primary trait of the group being described. It also isn't derogatory to everyone expressing love for animals. Apparently wypipo is hurtful to you. When wypipo are oppressed and subjected as a group I will revisit being outraged. In the mean time I have to go practice my weight shifting dance moves.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But don't do the overbite. It really doesn't make you look cool ...
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)Shooting white women or throwing me out of stores for suspicious behavior. I'll start getting offended, too.
Signed Animal Lover who knows it's f'd up to like dogs more than people. I'm working on it.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)That must be what I am because I'm offended by the way you used that logical fallacy to create a false equivalence.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)One can find negative stereotypes offensive without them "hitting too close to home".
Source: non-white guy who is missing all the humor in this.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)life one bit. You can sit around with your friends and joke about it, but those of us black people who've been discriminated against, and had our ancestors enslaved and lynched, and had to live in certain parts of towns and cities because of redlining, know that when the police mistreat us and the president says at a rally, "where is my African?", they're not joking.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Trump doesn't say much that most black people find amusing. The usual response I hear when someone mentions him is, "Oh F*ck him". Obviously I don't hang out with the Kanye West crowd. Usually, they are laughing at him; his ignorance about things he should know about for someone who professes to be so smart and who went to the BEST schools; his orange fake tan and white eyes, his bloated stomach, his bad comb-over, and the latest thing he said or did to embarrass our nation.
You and others talking about adapting this Wypipo crap and putting it on t-shirts and stuff are treating it as a joke. I assure you that the day after you get your Wypipo t-shirts, and bumper stickers some group of white racists are going to break out with a t-shirt with a picture of a lynched black person, and there will be rioting in the streets, and someone will die before Wypipo realize, "you know, this isn't a topic we want to play with". So I'm just saying that I don't think it's a good idea NOW, because I know where it's headed and trust me, it won't end well.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Last edited Sat May 5, 2018, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
People who werent endangered by his hate speech insisted it was all a joke. Apparently some still do. Its appalling.
And by laugh off, I mean dismiss any concerns of as well- it doesnt seem like your saying you do that. Yeah, some of it is so freaky you have to shake your head... but thats different that what I was saying.
Chemisse
(30,810 posts)It's a way of coping. I survived the Bush years watching The Daily Show. And the Trump year is so much worse; Laughing at the stupidity barely makes a dent in the despair.
Although it's a whole different thing to "laugh off" Trump, as many American white men have done (although none of the white men in my life, I am happy to say).
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They forgot to finish that sentence- its not so bad for them. Its shocking how many urban white sides who think theyre liberal that have absolutely copped out of thinking or feeling, or how many sort of enjoy the spectacle because its not their problem. Ive met too many.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)white people. I agree that there are plenty of racist white people and therefore I don't have a problem with anyone using the term. I certainly do not see racism as a laughing or joking matter at all. What I do think is funny is when white people get all butt hurt at being called out on it. I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)but know one will be burning crosses on your lawn, shooting you for reaching for your phone during a traffic stop or taking you out of Starbucks in handcuffs...for waiting while Black.
pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)<OPE>
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)WYPIPO and Proud Of It t-shirts when the term goes mainstream.
Exotica
(1,461 posts)but it gets clicks, so let the board carry on
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I prefer to just say someone is a racist and not make up a name for a specific race.
Funny thing, and kind of related to my post about "you might be a racist if.." When I was a kid, my racist family would tell me that there were some good black people but there were some N-words. That is the same to me I think as saying there are some good white people, but there are some whypipo. I don't have anything to do with my racist family now that I'm an adult other than funerals we all show up to btw.
It seems like a distraction that we don't need and a double standard to have a negative term for whites that it is ok to say.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Reminds me of the chyron CNN once ran under a discussion: "Which is more offensive - Redneck or the N-word?"
Duh - The question answered itself.
Seriously, if you really believe the two words are comparable, you need to go learn a few things before commenting further.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would they say "the b-word" for instance?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But if you're asking which of two words is more offensive and one you have no problem saying and showing on the chyron and the other one you feel necessary to replace with a euphemism, that kind of answers the question.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The fact that they will not even write out one of the two words in question indicates that it is more offensive term (as if that wasn't obvious enough).
I just was wondering if there are any other words that CNN would put in that same category of not even writing out on a chyron.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I would say it. I just use the initial to be considerate of others. I think both words are wrong. If you are making up words to downgrade others, it shouldn't matter who has been downgraded the longest. It isn't a contest..
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)If you dont get the difference between the two terms- one describes selfish and ethnocentric behavior, and the other does not.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Why is it OK to use either? The sentiment is the same despite the fact that the N word has a huge head start on being offensive. Should white people accept being called either cracker or whypipo just because someone here thinks we haven't suffered as much as others? Racial equality the way I understood it was about being equals. Neither group should be putting the other down.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You seem to be totally lacking and hung up on pretending there already IS equality. Or that calling out callous people- which is what wypipo is about- is somehow bad.
If you dont resemble the remarks, you dont have to think anything about it. And it is not, as described here again and again, about people who rescue animals. Thats a deliberate mischaracterization, designed to put people on the defensive.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I had no idea that I as a white person have to suffer to the same extent as all the black people of the world. I thought it was about treating one another with respect and as equals.
There is a cotton farmer in my area, I'll ask him next week if he needs free labor if that will make it easier for me to be treated as an equal. I just had no idea that this whole not using negative labels thing only went one way.
Here is the earlier thread on this which makes it clear that whypipo is a negative lable..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210577824
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)having your feeling hurt when blackmpeople talk about racism. To think you have some right to shit down discussion is the definition of white privilege. You need to understand your feeling are not the most important thing in this discussion. Talking about racism is not going to be comfortable for a lot of people, but living with it is a million times worse.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)This is about some people here saying white people must be treated as "less" no matter if we are racists or not.
Equality only counts if you are black on this thread. Biggest joke I have heard today is this discussion.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Might not get it.
But literally no one is treating wypipo as less- they are calling out some people for focusing on first world problems and ignoring civil rights issues. It is a thing some white people actually do, and its only right to talk about it.
Hurt feelings is the entirety of the damage for them. Therein lies the irony. people gotta learn their feeling come second some times.
I cant beleive I actually have to explain this here.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)That it is ok to discriminate and denigrate on anyone who is not black??? That is racist and I'm done with it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And possibly dismay. And thats soooo horrible for wypipo, huh? OMG how will they survive the sarcastic Tweets? HA. Your concern is noted. But really, no one is talking about boycotting or punishing the racist adjacent. Sleep safely without worry for the wypipo.
mcar
(42,307 posts)On a Democratic site. I've been here since early 2002 and thought I'd seen it all.
My gob is smacked.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)And sad. Certain people here think they are better than others. It must be quite something to feel so superior to others. I think I will go kiss my dog and head on out into this gorgeous day.
Henceforth, trashing these silly word threads.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts):wave:
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)but it doesn't even come close to the N-word. Surely you realize that.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)All racial slurs are racial slurs. One shouldn't be acceptable just because it is not directed at black people. There is no need for equivalency of slurs if the goal is mutual respect.
You want to know what I'm wondering? I'm wondering what planet some people here are from because this is all crazy to me.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)When I put people on ignore, I don't see their posts to me. When someone else puts me on ignore, my post to them shows up in my post section, but not in the line of posts that I can see. Good riddance to bad rubbish is what my grandmother would say about the whole situation. I can't believe anyone claiming to be a Democrat supports any racist label at all.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Are yo for real?
I cant believe a Democrat would even think something this ridiculous, much less actually type it up and hit Enter so that other people could read it.
No, the sentiment is NOT the same. Not even close.
I dont know a single white person whose heart stopped and jumped into their throat, felt a shiver of fear go up their spne and a sick, heavy, nauseating feeling in the pit of their stomach because someone referred to them as Wypipo.
Id like to think that you dont have to be black to have empathy - and most white people I know do have it, but you apparently were shorted on your empathy ration, so let me break it down for you:
Unless you have been black in America and had the experience of being called Nigger by a stranger, I suggest you never again even try to suggest to anyone that that word or the sentiment behind it is the same as ANYTHING ANY white person has EVER been called.
,
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)ANY word used to denigrate another person because of their race is racist. Black people do not have monopoly. You make up names for Asians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, or whites... WHATEVER. It is never ok to denigrate others and you do not own the right to be offended.
You are not doing anything positive by trying to take ownership of being offended. I'm done with all of ya"ll.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)truly offends you in discussions about racism. That black people want to own being offended and you want some of that.... perceived power? Youd love a big excuse to be angry too? LOL. Youve said too much.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)staying silent and being thought fools than speaking up and proving it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I suggest you go sit down before you get your feelings hurt.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)idea that by reclaiming the word you reduce it's negative effect because it was the last word many POC heard before they were lynched by white mobs or murdered in other terrible ways.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Get back to me when wypipo has centuries of oppression backing it up and giving it weight, because right now its nothing but a word used to troll delicate souls on Twitter and make a sarcastic point about priorities and attitudes.
When someone calls another person the N word it fucking means something! It has a hateful gravitas and an enormous cultural and historical significance. Wypipo is less than nothing in comparison. There is no hate behind it, no legacy of whips or nooses. Dont fucking pretend theres any kind of equivalence there, because that way lies madness.
TL;DR just stop, because (as usual) youre entirely on the wrong side of this issue, to the degree that it could be described as an issue.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)There is no requirement to be oppressed for a certain amount of time to be the victim of a racist which is what people using the whypipo word are. The intent is still b there.
You are on my jury black list already because of how you treat me here. I'm putting you on "ignore" also. Done.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I dont treat you any differently than anyone else, I just dont buy into your nonsense and I feel far too many of your views are simply incompatible with a progressive political agenda. Ill live.
nini
(16,672 posts)Holy shit.. you equate this to the N word and the extremely racist, hateful and violent nature???? Really?
Holy shit..
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Being racist to one group is equally racist as any other group. It is all wrong even if directed to whites.
I can not believe so many people are defending racism myself. For a bunch of supposedly enlightened people, they sure are accepting of racism as long as it isn't directed to black people.
You can put me on ignore at your convenience.
nini
(16,672 posts)and you're so proud of that.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Racist names are always wrong. You do not get to decide some are less or more wrong than others. They are all wrong.
Life is easier with the ignore button. Goodbye.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)I am one of them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Sorry I am having one of those days. But you did sort of tee that one up.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Iggo
(47,552 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)The "person" that this term is labeling is such a small minority and insignificant....yet significant enough that a label was created for "them".
I think that this term should of been assigned to racist people in general....lot more of them around.
If I were you I would ignore this whole thing and just trash the threads.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)It refers to a group of people that actually do exist.
From what you've just said about yourself, it sounds like you don't belong to that group.
Why worry about it?
lark
(23,097 posts)It's stupid and wrong and hurtful.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Does loving animals automatically make someone a good person? I think not.
You know who loved animals....?......c'mon you can guess (his name started with an 'H').......yeah, it was Hitler (definitely not a good guy)
The term doesn't apply to all people that love animals at all.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Until I just looked it up
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)lark
(23,097 posts)I just posted about this on a previous op about this topic. Wypipo is meaningless in the terms it was portrayed. Racist is more accurate and doesn't include the stupid stuff about animals. I have never seen or heard this phrase before and hope it's the last. We've got so much ignorance and lies going around, why add to it?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But it's interesting - and ironic - that you would try to tell them what the word they coined means.
lark
(23,097 posts)Someone who cares for animals and doesn't care if ppl get hurt as long as they aren't white - to paraphrase - is the definition given in the initial thread. Love it how some people just want to create strife and resentment so make up new phrases for that purpose, like snowflake or wypipo. SMH.
Me.
(35,454 posts)so just imagine if you had been/still are called the N word all your life instead of a matter of days.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)We white people deserve it because of history doncha know? I am not offended; however I think it is one of the more stupid things I have ever heard. My problem with it is that it was posted here apparently to cause more division. Damn shame.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The Gullah people of the South Carolina islands and the Geechee people of the Georgia islands and north Florida coast use a language is which white peoples sound like that, but they are using the word as a descriptive word, not as an insult or putdown. There are already too many harsh race based words in use, to add to that number is stupid, so I agree with you.
G_j
(40,367 posts)and not at all constructive to a positive dialogue.
Not helpful, IMO.
mainer
(12,022 posts)I don't get why it's offensive. I think it's hilarious. Just the look of it makes me laugh.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Recently, I've seen it most applied to whitesplainers and the racially tone-deaf.
If that ain't you, that ain't you.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)People offended by this are clearly trying to make more of this than it is. I'm actually surprised that there's so much faux outrage over this, especially on DU!! God forbid that there be a meme that makes fun of "stereotypical white people". White people have made fun of stereotypes of minorities for decades. As a pasty white guy, these memes are funny because it's true. And before someone comes in and starts with "well are other racial stereotypes cool"?? No, because that crap comes from a position of power, hitting down...this is comedy hitting up.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)because they have/had it worse in this country than whites? That seems to be the consensus around here.
As innocuous as the term "whypipo" is, I'm not going to pretend it's an A-OK stereotype just because other minority classes have it worse.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)I'm saying I think the "white people" meme is hilarious...and from a comedy perspective it works because it's "punching up" not "punching down".
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)while this word might annoy you, never will you face the entrenched bigotry directed at POC.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)any belief held by POC in this country doesnt affect me at all. The power structure is such that my cultural preferences are paramount, and as the normative color I am able to ignore, without consequence, anything that could be theoretically bigoted against people of my race.
Last I checked POC arent able to do that. White racism and bigotry have consequences beyond the realm of Twitter. White bigotry kills people. Wypipo trolls on social media. These are not the same things. Stop conflating them.
elocs
(22,569 posts)My opinion is that there are just far too many acronyms made up and tossed about to label people these days.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)You hear it?
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)that should have no place here on DU.
I don't think it does anything to add to a discussion on racism.
To me, it's just negativity we don't need....
Iggo
(47,552 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)What's the difference?
It's a slur.
Who needs that crap?
It's a big ZERO in contributing to improved race relations.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)a slur for white people or did you follow some other logic path to get to white people = honkey?
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)I did not say "white people" is a slur...
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)so I may not have the sequence correct. It looks to me like post #80 by Iggo said how about we spell out white people and you answered why not h o n k e y. I see that as you saying that h o n k e y would be the same thing.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)To me, wiypeople, honky are all just slurs that do nothing to advance race relations.
They should have no place here on DU.
Hope that helps.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)applegrove
(118,639 posts)to slur Democratic curious former Trump voters. So that when they come onto this site curious about democrats because they got nothing in the tax break or because they are worried Trump is dismantling the country they feel immediately attacked and insulted.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And, for good measure, perhaps we should ask all the black, brown, immigrant, gay and Muslim people to lay low, too.
I mean, if DU is supposed to be making Trump supporters feel all comfy and at home, why not just pull out all the stops?
applegrove
(118,639 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)They voted for a known racist/sexist because "economic anxiety" and now they may be regretting their racist/ sexist vote.
So we here, on this Democratic site, must be super extra careful about what we say, lest we offend these poor dears so distraught about their "economic anxiety." Because they would totally not vote Democratic unless we all be super extra nice to them.
Do I have it straight?
applegrove
(118,639 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)but that are really an attempt to keep people seeing black people and places black people live as inherently dangerous. Like "thug" and "ghetto." Those perpetuate oppression against black people.
Nobody is hurt by "wypipo." It's just comedy. And in comedy, "punching up" is funny but "punching down" is not.
Also, if you are an animal rights activist who is also upset when people of color are mistreated, then it isn't talking about you anyway. But I've certainly known white people who are upset at any mistreatment of animals but think there is always a perfectly reasonable explanation to any example of racism against black people, even when black people are killed. It is always really their own fault they were killed, or arrested, or beat up, or kicked out of someplace.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)it's OK to negatively stereotype them.
Is that general consensus around here?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)There's a reason that films, TV, etc., have plenty of "dumb jock" characters and jokes while "dumb blonde" characters and jokes just aren't as prevalent.
The same reason idiot Dad character is still a thing while idiot Mom, not so much. Power, position in society, etc.
When black and brown people take full control of all of the levers of the American government, society, business, the economy, etc., when we have 7 or 8 more presidents of the colored persuasion, hold 8 of the 9 Supreme Court seats, comprise 97 percent of the Senate, 90 percent of the House, and 100 percent of the governors seats, hold 90 percent of the executive positions in the Fortune 1000, and own the vast majority of the country's wealth, I'm sure that dynamic will change and people of color will be much more careful about making fun of white people by calling them funny names and probably won't get too upset if white people blow off a little steam by coming up with silly but generally accurate names to describe the behavior of different parts of our majority.
But until then ...
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)But you're right, dumb blonde jokes aren't told as often as they used to be.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What the heck??
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Is "person of color" what you meant?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Thank you for your concern, but no editing is necessary.
betsuni
(25,477 posts)No humor allowed.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)However, I am letting you know that the term is offensive and you should consider an alternate one.
whopis01
(3,511 posts)tells you everything you need to know about the poster.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Exactly WHAT does it tell you about me?
whopis01
(3,511 posts)I dont like being called colored.
I dont like people that call me colored.
I dont like people who refer to people who look like me as colored.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)whom you clearly still know nothing about.
Whatever.
whopis01
(3,511 posts)When someone comes along using racist, offensive terms, it tells me all I need to know.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)whopis01
(3,511 posts)who sees nothing wrong with using such racist, offensive terms.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Some real deep insight there. Thanks for sharing.
whopis01
(3,511 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)whopis01
(3,511 posts)and assume that they don't see it as offensive or get why it would be offensive - except they are being so stubborn about their usage of the term.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)You are pretty good at that.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I doubt that it's very destructive to social justice, and certainly it doesn't carry the impact that the n-word does, but white supremacists and their enablers have deserved far worse.
I'm not too offended because I understand some of why it exists.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)No racism should be allowed in DU. It incites and divides us.
And anyone who is bothered by the term Wypipo is labeled 'One of them'.
Those who say "I have no problem with the word Wypipo" would be the first to be outraged
by racial slurs against any other race.
A racist term here against any other race would be 'alerted' on and the post/thread deleted.
Why is it OK and funny to point out any race and make fun of them?
Racism does not belong here or anywhere.
There is no excuse for it,
and it is not funny.
It is ignorant, racist, and disgusting.
In my humble opinion, of course.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)How does this term "incite" you and what does it "incite" you to do?
How does it "divide" us? How does a term used on an online discussion board by some people you have never met, don't know and will probably never encounter in your lifetime of divides or separates you from people of other races?
Please be specific.
janx
(24,128 posts)This is an inane stereotype of white liberals. When it is posted on a board frequented by white liberals, the objection should not be surprising.
But then I guess it provoked the reaction it was intended to.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)As is the assertion that anyone is labeling you one of them. Thats some paranoid bullshit.
MichMan
(11,915 posts)It would seem to me that instead of insulting whites, the term itself is a way of ridiculing black speech & dialect.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)it is to me an opinion of a thinker and not a follower.
It is easy to join in the group think and feel you are among friends. Its rough to go it alone. I commend you for it.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Last edited Sun May 6, 2018, 09:04 AM - Edit history (1)
...i kept pronouncing Wy as We and then i decided it should be 'wydapipo'
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)It's another fine way to keep us well aware of our differences which, of course, keeps us divided and less effective.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I wonder when I read posts on DU which "keeps us divided and less effective"
why we are not instead working for unity against the GOP.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hell, if black folks went all "you're being divisive and making us less effective" every time someone said something we didn"t like or found offensive, there wouldn't BE a Democratic Party.
Y'all REALLY need to get over yourselves.
Seriously.
Damn ...
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Skin color, religious, education, politics, geographic, clothing choices, sexual orientation, gender...and on and on it goes.
Now we move on to sub dividing those groups.
As a student of history I have seen too many times where the people had the power to end a bad situation but were too divided amongst themselves to realize it. I, foolishly, had hoped this current period might prove different.
Hope springs eternal I guess. I always end up regretting that I'm just not quite cynical enough...
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)is a group people who expect to be the lauded heroines and heroes while the grunts do the work, get out in those election lines, and then , if they do deliver a victory (like they damn well did in Alabama) they are told to shut up, stay quiet, and then the master can make a half heatrted attempt to slip them a a slice of bread.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Or just a low-grade misanthrope if I admit I like most animals more than many of my fellow humans (adults, not kids. Kids I love) And yes, I get particularly upset by stories of animal or child abuse.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)think. I dont like it when I see it but the worse thing is that many of the bullies see themselves as the keepers of all thats good.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)I don't see why it upsets you. I think it's funny and plan to use it myself-white woman that I am.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)After looking it up I'm rather amused and certainly not offended by it.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)reality that even though we had a Black president, we have a ways to go in terms of race relations.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Use it as shorthand for identifying people who aren't intellectually serious and confuse nonsense for intellectual heft. It's actually rather convenient.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)As in why did Trump capture 57% of the white vote?
As in why did the pussygrabber capture 52% of the female white vote?
Ask yourselves these questions before you get offended.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)voted for that POS currently occupying the presidency.
As for the term under discussion, I don't find offense. I think it's critical we discuss what's wrong in this country, and if the term 'wypipo' triggers discussion and helps bring to surface the cancer of racism in our country, then I'm all in. I'm not really surprised by the push-back in this thread, and it just emphasizes the work that needs to be done within our party.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)that needs to be done in this party.
The group think thing on this board also represents work that needs to be done in this party.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The OP is attempting to reduce the term "wypipo" to a ridiculous strawman.
They ignore the origins of the word, which began as a truncation of "white people" to get around Twitter's character limit.
Then the term took a life of its own on Black Twitter when discussing the various pathologies borne out of white supremacy and the status quo. Those pathologies are exemplified by the rise of Trump, which never would have happened if there wasn't a centuries-old affirmative action policy for male whites.
Instead of it being a wake-up call, some whites on this board have turned "wypipo" on its head, using it as an example for their perceived victimology in the implicit defense of white supremacy and the status quo.
In other words, we can't say "wypipo" because the whites are exempt from criticism.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Many people in the thread have invested way too much into a slang term.
Then they use their investment to beat others over the head.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)doing about their friends, family, loved ones who voted for that racist? Are they willing to go that extra mile to make sure everyone they have in their life who didn't vote for Clinton is responsible for the increased racism we're seeing in our society? Are they willing to risk their comfort and speak up? Are they willing to disrupt their barbecue/Thanksgiving dinner/baby shower and tell people who didn't vote for Clinton that they're not welcome?
We white people need to realize that using energy to complain about some white people being called wypipo is like complaining about the color of the curtains while the house is on fire. It is white people - our relatives, friends, neighbors - who got Trump elected and it is our responsibility to make sure that is taken care of. People of color are risking their lives doing ordinary things like walking to the store buying skittles, going to Starbucks, golfing, eating waffles, and talking on the phone in their own backyard. We white people can zip our mouths when we feel uncomfortable with something people of color are saying, and instead use our privilege to make other white people uncomfortable when they openly support a racist in the White House.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...everyone else is just going to figure out how to behave or what words to use without my advice.
mokawanis
(4,440 posts)quakerboy
(13,920 posts)you mean to tell me people have figured out how to abrieviate/slangify the phrase white people, a mere 3-400 years after the phrase came into use?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
WTF do animals have to do with anything?
betsuni
(25,477 posts)CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)Putting animals above people was just one example the writer used. I kind of bristled, too, cuz I'm definitely a misanthrope!
I think the whole thing is stupid - we already have good words to describe these people - racists & bigots. But whatever.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Though the two are not mutually exclusive.
There are those who are clueless about race issues, that, to me, is what "wypipo" describes.
And then there are Nazis and Klansmen, and other openly malicious people. I prefer to call them bigoted scumbags or pieces of shit.
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)I don't go to church anymore (since age 18) but this was the good part of church when I did go: make the comfortable uncomfortable.
DU is church now. I need to hear from people less comfortable than myself. If they have some Whypipo issues, they should feel safe to come here to vent or just to educate. Lord knows you all tolerate my feminist complaints on a daily basis.
And stay away from Kinfolk Kollective if you don't want to be challenged
Peace
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...with all sorts of negative things attached to it. That puts it in a different category to words like cracker or honky or whatever other slang term for white people exists.
If someone were to write an article inventing and describing the term blapipo with a bunch of negative aspects tied to it, it would be lambasted and deemed entirely unacceptable even if the author says of course I dont mean all black people... And that response would be well earned.
At the end of the day, race based insults arent cool. No matter who the target, or the speaker, is.
egduj
(805 posts)How anyone can let any single word have such power over them is mind boggling.
sagetea
(1,368 posts)Sounds like Lakota to me. My opinion...POC, all colors, live a totally different society. there are many 'sects' to that, you have POC in 'white culture', POC in within the Native movement, POC in the Hispanic,, POC within Japanese, Chinese, EVERYWHERE.
My opinion, Wypippo, is more a 'term' less a skin color. because there are POC within the most popular of cultures. (white culture, movies, tv shows, etc.) and there are white people within these other cultures. Human society is very deep, very... layered.
Kind of 'off topic' part...my daughter is getting ready to graduate college, (Yay!) and immerses herself within the Deaf culture, as part of her ongoing education! so this will be a new experience for our family!!!
Again, this is just my opinion.
Ho`
sage
Vox Populi
(40 posts)If you're going to introduce an acronym, at least specify what it means. Or is this some in-group phrase that allows you to scorn everyone else unfamiliar with it?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)"Wypipo" is a shortened form of "white people" adopted as slang by black people, and others.
The way it's used, it describes a white person (or even a non-white person, like Ben Carson, for example), that is clueless about white privilege, and how systemic racism harms black people and other minorities.
The example in the article in another thread is that guy who screams about animal mistreatment, but goes "meh" when a cop shoots an unarmed black person and leaves him to bleed out in the street.
They scream about disrespect to the flag and the special song when Colin Kaepernick kneels during the national anthem, but don't give a shit about why he's doing it, and don't understand that Colin is trying to make our country better and freer.
Or that lady that called the cops on those two Native American kids just because they were brown, were wearing heavy-metal shirts, and kept to themselves during their tour of CSU.
And just browsing through here, there do seem to be a number of outraged wypipo in this thread...