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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPics of lava advancing towards homes, Hawaii on Saturday
fissure opens in subdivision
Lava burns across the road in the Leilani Estates in Pahoa, Hawaii on Saturday as residents fled from the area
Knox's home is a few hundred yards from the lava flow and he is not evacuating. He hopes the lava will not take his home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5695425/Hawaiis-Kilauea-volcano-spews-toxic-gasses-new-fissures-form-thousands-flee.html
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)To the people of or 50th state.
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)one could ride out a lava flow. Good luck with that Knox.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)or do anything to stop lava. better to leave and hope for the best. breathing those fumes aren't good for his health
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Anyone who's familiar with the Mount St. Helen's eruption in Washington State (in the 1980's) remembers that nobody could have survived that because the top of the mountain blew off. If you're living on the side of a mountain with an erupting volcano, the lava would flow downhill and you wouldn't have much chance of outrunning it, especially if it happened suddenly.
But it seems at least some of these Hawaiian eruptions aren't coming out of a mountain peak. The flat ground is splitting open and lava flows up and out of the ground. So these types of eruptions are usually accompanied by ground shaking, deep rumbling noises, etc. Local residents who pay attention would have time to evacuate before their houses are engulfed. Still they lose everything, it's just like a wild forest fire.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Land building and land destroying. This one is a land-building volcano.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)land receding allowing magma release from low pressure... and land colliding causing heat from friction and high pressure. Low pressure creates, high pressure destroys.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)Before evacuating to a friend's home late Friday, Gebbie -- a union carpenter -- took one last walk around the home he built over the past three years on an acre brimming with towering trees and fragrant tropical plants.
"My beautiful house -- gorgeous, custom home," he said. "Paid for. No mortgage, which is awesome. ... I took a walk around my house, videotaped my house and pretty much said goodbye."
Tears -- "lots of tears" -- streamed down his face.
For now, Gebbie said he will share a friend's home with three families that have been evacuated.
"Life is completely turned upside-down, and I think it's just starting to set in," he said.
"Now, it's trying to figure out what the future brings. ... My work. My job. Am I going to have to move to somewhere else on the island?"
Life on this part of the Big Island "might be forever changed," Gebbie said. And his life, too.
"I'd have to start over at age 56," he said. "That's concerning. I was five years away from retirement, with a house paid for. And retirement is nowhere near in the future now."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is not available to people living on the side of a live volcano.
He's just like the millions in the Seattle area who live on the Pacific Rim with a live volcano nearby hoping that disaster will hold off until they're gone. Or how about the people of L.A., San Francisco, Portland, etcetera? We used to be among them. Now we have sea level rise and mega hurricanes in Florida.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Very sad. Maybe the risk was worth it. It may have turned out differently.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)I know that a zombie apocalypse is covered!
Here in Florida, the insurance has gotten more expensive, and all the stuff you worry about (hurricane flooding; sink holes) is not covered or has crazy deductibles.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)the district having lava flows was a level 1 area, high risk, lower prices :
When choosing to purchase real estate here on the island, many buyers are attracted to lava zones 1 and 2. This is in part due to the weather and scenic beauty but along with this we cannot deny the affordable prices. It is true, land located in the lava hazard zones 1 & 2 is typically less expensive than any other areas on Hawaii island. In fact, the district of Puna and the district of Kau; both areas designated with lava hazard zones 1 & 2; offer some of the most affordable land in ALL of the island chain. When making a decision to purchase in these areas one must be aware and consider these variables:
1. Limited insurers for homeowners insurance and hazard insurance.
Currently there is the Hawaii Property insurance Association that offers insurance on homes up to a value of $350,000.00. Any replacement value amount above and beyond $350,000.00 would be provided by Lloyds of London. Typically insurance premiums are higher than what one would see on a property outside of these high-risk zones.
2. Limited financing for residential purchases or construction loans.
In recent times many lending institutions have completely eliminated programs that they once had for financing in these risk zones. At current, the Federal government does offer a program through Rural Housing development.
As for conventional financing, most institutions are requiring a minimum of 20% down in order to lend on a property in either of these two high-risk zones.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)...so some people are out of luck if their homes are destroyed.
BumRushDaShow
(128,903 posts)"People in Hawaii -- the Big Island -- have to deal with the lava," he said. "You know that when you come in. I knew that when I moved here. This was a gamble that everybody takes. Maybe I've lost."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,903 posts)and the guy who was featured was standing on a residential street with what looked like some smaller homes and modified double-wide mobile homes. Am guessing that is where he is staying for the time being.
The article said the land in the "lava zones 1 & 2" was the cheapest in the state (chain of islands) and it's obvious why. I think it was literally a luck of the draw as to whether the volcano would suddenly erupt after all these decades, and then open up lava fissures so far away from the actual mountain itself.
malaise
(268,962 posts)an option for me.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)catbyte
(34,376 posts)so slow, so terrifying, so inexorable. They tried diverting it by cooling and damming the flow with water, but nothing worked. It overwhelmed everything. It must be unbelievably stressful for the residents there. The price of Paradise, I guess.
samplegirl
(11,476 posts)I guess they shouldnt expect any help either.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)what they deserve for having so many "librul" politicians. The deplorable's are pure evil.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Mother Nature is beautiful - especially in Hawaii - and dangerous at the same time.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Though risky, it was still a worthy bet considering the beauty as long as he understood the risk.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)doesn't actually lose his home, he would be living with out electricity for months - or forever. He needs to leave!
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)there is no roads in. they travel back and forth by motorbike, bringing their supplies in. very beautiful
tropical surroundings, surrounded by blackened ground. wish i could find the video of it.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23809963/ns/us_news-life/t/lava-lovers-live-active-hawaiian-volcano/#.Wu7s3ogvzIU
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But some residents live with the boiling lava every day and revel in the notion that their homes and lives are subject to the whims of earths awesome underground forces.
The danger has become clearer in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a two-block-wide swath of lava burned through abandoned homes and reached the ocean. And the first gas explosion at Kilaueas peak since 1924 scattered gravel onto a tourist lookout, road and trail before daybreak last week, injuring no one but spreading fear.
Olson and her scattered neighbors have built houses atop blasted land of hardened black crust where previous neighborhoods were destroyed by lava flows in 1990. Most get their power from solar panels, their water from the rain and some of their food from gardens planted between lava rocks. Until a new lava viewing area began drawing big crowds a few weeks ago, they lived in relative isolation.
This is heaven on earth, said Edmund Orian, who is building a house by hand out of lava rocks in Kalapana. Living near a volcano keeps you aware that God is in control. If the lava comes, we can always move.
Cha
(297,180 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)He did prison work (meditation programs) - I'm not sure when this was filmed exactly, but it seems like he died shortly after this was filmed.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Maeve
(42,281 posts)But better slower lava and some fore-knowlege than a pyroclastic flow that can reach 430 mph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow
paleotn
(17,912 posts)and mother earth taketh away.
Cha
(297,180 posts)And, all the others who had to leave Leilani Estates
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,583 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)jeffreyi
(1,939 posts)That would make me scoot.