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Did Michael Cohen make payments to other women on behalf of the president? Rudy Giuliani tells @GStephanopoulos: I have no knowledge of that, but I would think if it was necessary, yes." http://abcn.ws/2KANG5L
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Setting it up for more revelations.
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)Rudy has no clients. I am envisioning the bathrobe clad Dotard in front of his tv watching Rudy go from show to show attempting to explain and normalize his shitty behavior.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)babylonsister
(171,057 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Maxheader
(4,373 posts)Absolutely..perfect facial..
Bucky
(53,998 posts)You know how Republicans are, they're always looking for ways to stab each other in the back.
Trump is the worst of them, but a big fat ego like Giuliani probably doesn't mind going suicide bomber on the dude who put him in a dress and has ever since shown him the back of his hand on a regular basis
It's probably a bad Theory, but I do get a kick out of thinking that Giuliani might be deliberately screwing up Trump's defense on TV
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)since the early 90s. He was a District Attorney in the 80s, which is where he made his name, then was mayor from 93-2001 and then has basically been resting on his laurels, making appearances on Fox News, and also failing at running for president.
So, I'm guessing that (at best) he's really rusty.
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)He talks about his clients often which is why I brought it up. Maybe he is describing how it used to be back in the day. Regardless he sounds ridiculous. While there will be a slice of the deplorable base who listens to him and will say that sounds legit... More of us are rolling our eyes.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)Lawyers acting like fixers, only making the world more difficult for everyone.
It happened here.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)He's going to turn into a class study for malpractice.
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)Wouldnt that be great if history frowned on Rudy? Erase whatever good he did after 9/11. Idiot.
Izzy Blue
(282 posts)[link:|
"Alleged head of the Genovese crime family, Vincent Gigante (1928-2005, pictured in 1990) evaded conviction for decades by feigning mental illness. Gigante was known for walking the streets of New York City in a bathrobe while talking to himself".
Rudy Giuliani and the Desperate Campaign to Protect the President
"Its quite possible that Rudy Giuliani would be dead today were it not for Vincent (the Chin) Gigante, the cunning Mob boss who oversaw the Genovese crime family in the nineteen-eighties and nineties. In 1986, the leaders of the five major New York Mafia families voted on whether to kill Giuliani, who was then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York and leading an aggressive push to prosecute Mob leaders. John Gottithe most famous mafioso of his dayled the faction in favor of the motion, but Gigante cast the deciding third vote against it, and the idea was dismissed.
It was a shrewd move by Gigante. Giuliani, in his years as a U.S. Attorney, had an impressive run prosecuting Mafia figures. This track record helped set up his successful run for New York City mayor, in 1993. But he never brought down Gigante, the biggest boss in town. Gigante was a brilliant Mafia innovator. He spent years pretending to be developmentally disabled and schizophrenic, shuffling around Greenwich Village in a bathrobe and pajamas. He relied on a front boss, installing Anthony (Fat Tony) Salerno as the nominal head of the Genovese family while he, Gigante, retained most of the actual power, to run his organized-crime empire at a remove, discreetly issuing his orders through the ever-loyal Dominick (Quiet Dom) Cirillo. In 1986, the same year that the Five Families voted on whether to kill Giuliani, Salerno was convicted as part of the Mafia Commission Trial. Gigante remained free for another decade.
In this way, Gigante and Giuliani were allies. They both had an interest in high-profile, tabloid-cover prosecutions of loud, famous Mob figureheads. I have to assume that Giuliani understood the arrangement. He got his heads on a pike, and Gigante stayed out of the spotlight. Gigante was finally convictedof racketeering and conspiring to kill other mobstersin 1997, years after Giuliani stepped down as U.S. Attorney. However discreet he had been, Gigante had, on a small handful of occasions, allowed some of the younger guys in his organization to meet with himand that was his downfall. After decades of committing and ordering murders, and running countless illegal schemes, he was sentenced to twelve years in prison, where he died, in 2005.
What would the Chin make of this weeks madness? What would he think of Giulianis oafish, self-destructive, client-destructive blathering on television? On Sean Hannitys Fox News program Wednesday night, Giulianiunpromptedrevealed that President Trump had lied when he said that he knew nothing about the election-season payoff that Michael Cohen, his longtime fixer, made to Stephanie Clifford, the porn actress known as Stormy Daniels. Giulianinot heeding Hannitys panicked warningswent on to confirm that Cohen almost never did legal work for Trump. This undermined the argument, recently put forward by Cohens lawyers, that the records the government seized last month in Cohens office are protected by attorney-client privilege. On Thursday morning, Giuliani compounded the damage on Fox & Friends, where he first said that the payoff to Danielswho claims to have had an affair with Trump, in 2006had nothing to do with the election, before quickly contradicting himself and saying that it had everything to do with the election: an assertion that would support the argument that Trump and Cohen violated election laws."
read more
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/rudy-giuliani-and-the-desperate-campaign-to-protect-the-president
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)Giuliani is right there in the mix. I think he is purposely muddying the water, giving the media threads to sort out while they continue their grifty games.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Trying to accept this may be next, more women, a lot more women coming forward against them. trump rarely wants to use this tactic so it may become interesting about what happens to ghoulliani's future.
Izzy Blue
(282 posts)AMI/The National Enquirer paid her $150,000 in hush money in August 2016 about her affair with Trump.
Where did the money originate from and if it was from an AMI account was it reimbursed by Cohen/Trump?
McDougal found out from a recent NYT's piece that her lawyer at the time,Keith Davidson, was also in touch with Michael Cohen during the negotiations with AMI.
iirc, Her NDA and Stormy's were mentioned in the Michael Cohen NY search warrants.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)So this will come out in the documents that the FBI seized from Cohen's office.
As for the "other women" it's in Michael Wolff's book Fire and Fury that Cohen paid off as many as 100 women in the last couple weeks before the election. I think Wolff quotes Steve Bannon but he doesn't give any of the women's names. Most likely Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougla would be included in that number, but they aren't named in the book.
There were perhaps a dozen women who refused to sign the NDA and didn't get paid to keep quiet. Those women were presumably the ones who filed charges against him for sexual misconduct - mostly for grabbing, touching or kissing without permission. I don't believe any of the women claimed they were raped, except for the 13 year old girl who was never proven and has since dropped the charges.
My point is that there were a LOT of women in his past, and many happened while Trump was married.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)finds it "necessary." Come on, they would not allow that for Bill Clinton, etc.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)off to keep silent, even as his new bride was pregnant, that was just business as usual for rich folk like him. Silly not rich people!"
treestar
(82,383 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)At times he sounds exactly like him. Same bloviating lies, same narcissistic bragging, same rapid double-talk. However, he may talk himself out of a job. Not because he lies--Trump doesn't care about that; but because Rudy likes being the center of attention, and Trump DOES care about that. Only Trump himself is allowed to be the center.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)other hand, he's taking some of the heat off of him by being the stupid, senile one that everyone talks about. Sooner or later, Trump will tire of him and he'll be history. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.
wiggs
(7,812 posts)the full story is much worse
onetexan
(13,037 posts)Giuliani seems to think that if they just come clean that makes the situation all right and no laws were broken. And this is a former US prosecutor spewing this nonsense, no less. Open mouth, insert foot.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)Rudy has Trump envy
Pluvious
(4,310 posts)Which sadly might not be deemed germane and never reach public disclosure.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)If Rudy knows there were other women and that the evidence seized will prove that, there is no error in him addressing that now.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)$420,000 is enough to pay off 3 women at the Daniels rate with a little left over for Cohen's services. And Trump had more than enough left from his inaugural fund to cover the $420,000.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,946 posts)Danascot
(4,690 posts)Stephan asked Avenatti about talk that he had been approached by other women who might also have Stormy type problems with Trump.
Starts at about 7:40