My Message to Eric Schneiderman: Boy Bye

[EffieBlack]

I don't care that you have a D behind your name or that you've been a huge asset in various much-needed investigations.

See ya.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Yeppppp.

Agreed.

[CincyDem]

2. Yep: Now we're in the unfortunate position of have a republican legislature pick his successor. n/t

[CincyDem]

5. Updated: Learning that it's a joint session of the legislature, not just the senate..

that makes it majority dem.

Whew - that was close.

[LenaBaby61]

27. "Learning that it's a joint session of the legislature, not just the senate.."

that makes it majority dem."

I just read that on Wikipedia.

PHEW is right, because if the Legislature was controlled by thuglicans, they'd put in a tRumputin-humper as AG, and that person would end up filing NO charges on the state level @ Cohen, and tRump would be issuing out a pardon to him and to Crooked Jared, Don Jr. and to whomever until the cows come home without any limitations whatsoever. Cohen, per the Vanity Fair article which came out tonight, sounds like he IS going to do the right thing and turn ON tRump who he hopefully SEES is not loyal to him or to anyone but himself. Can you imagine if there weren't state charges against these vile, tReasonous hogs? OMG, tRumputin would be pardoning all of them like he was giving out lollipops even though they are more tReasonous and crooked than Lombard Street, then were would be be if all of these tReasonous hogs were pardoned, and with NO state charges to hang around their pencil necks?

We're still thank goodness in the game in NY. That person will continue coordinating with Mueller against. As someone said on this site, it would be a HOOT if was possible for Preet Bharara to be appointed as NY AG

[CincyDem]

33. yeah - my first reaction when I heard it tonight was a capital, top of my lungs WTF ???

In a perfect world, I'd like to see them deal with the AG appointment and the double jeopardy loophole issue concurrently. Might be a lot of ask but a man can dream - now that I've calmed down and had a drink after that scare.

[LenaBaby61]

39. "Now that I've calmed down and had a drink after that scare."

I don't drink alcohol, so have a drink for me.



I was nervous as hell too, until I went on Wiki and checked to see WHO was in charge of the NY State Legislature.

PHEW

[CincyDem]

40. Thank you for that excuse - don't mind if I do m'lady. Single malt this time. n/t

[LenaBaby61]

44. "Thank you for that excuse - don't mind if I do m'lady. Single malt this time."

[Cha]

70. I don't drink alcohol, either but I will

with whatever else is handy!

I googled every which way to see if New York Dems regained control of state senate but nothing. I thought I saw it on here at one time recently.

Glad wiki has it!

[BobTheSubgenius]

63. Collective sigh of relief?

Just me, then? OK. I can live with that.

[madaboutharry]

19. 1 seat democratic majority in Senate

and large democratic majority in state House.

[Glimmer of Hope]

3. Yep. He sounds disturbed and has no business being an AG.

[Eko]

4. Hopefully

People are being consistent here, it would be awkward for some to have called for Franken to stay and for Schneiderman to go when there are only claims so far.

[underthematrix]

6. I don't believe it. I know I'm supposed to jump on the bandwagon

but I don't roll that way.

[EffieBlack]

7. What don't you believe?

[underthematrix]

9. I don't believe his accusers.

[EffieBlack]

14. You don't believe them at all?

What do you know about them that would lead you to think they're not credible? Do you know anything about them?

And he admitted most of what they alleged. He doesn't deny hitting them and abusing them. He just says they wanted him to do it.

[underthematrix]

22. Their story is that he abused them. That's what I don't believe.

I think this came out now because they know gullible people would go into outrage mode and believe it because it's salacious and it involves a powerful.

My point is I don't believe their stories that they were abused.

[EffieBlack]

25. He ADMITS he abused them!

I'm amazed at how hard you're working to defend this guy.

Wow.

[underthematrix]

47. He said it was consensual and they said it was nonconsenual

You believe them. I believe him. What's the problem?

[EffieBlack]

51. The problem is that you believe him

So you have to assume that four women who don't know each other conspired, coordinated their made-up stories and two of them went public, and then fooled two of the best investigative journalists in the country. Oh, and they faked injuries years ago, long before Trump became president or the investigations into had begun.

But you believe the guy who said, I did just about everything they accused me of but they're lying about one part of it because they wanted me to beat them up.

So, yeah, I have a problem with that.

[Calista241]

57. While Ronan Farrow has done a few good articles,

I don't know if i'd call him one of "the best investigative journalists in the country".

[EffieBlack]

60. Whatever

[jberryhill]

45. HE ADMITS BEATING THEM UP

This guy has the most amazing habit of happening to meet women in his professional circle who like getting beat up, and apparently an equally consistent habit of no evidence supporting consent.

Did they make up the medical records and physical marks?

[forgotmylogin]

65. I think he really screwed himself, but he knows the quicker he jumps out of the way...

the less political capital the Rs can make of it.

Resigning fast and getting this off the front page to make way for something else is a legitimate strategic move by him.

Trump hopefully won't go on a Twittergloat about it because it calls attention to his own mess.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. Don't believe what?

[underthematrix]

11. I don't believe his accusers

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Why not?

[underthematrix]

17. When someone is abusive as described in the New Yorker

we should see this over the long term. It should be reflected in some in his divorce proceedings. Throughout his life. There's no evidence this is the case. It's just four women accusing him of abuse during a time when he'a conducted a raid on the attorney for WH occupier Trump.

[EffieBlack]

21. He ADMITS being abusive, so we can skip all the digging around for evidence in his past

And he didn't conduct the raid on Cohen's office. That was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of NY.

[underthematrix]

29. No he admitted to some type of bondage sex play. That's not the same thing as saying he abused the

women. The women are claiming he abused them. They're denyng it was consensual.

You're right the warrant was executed by the southern district.

[EffieBlack]

34. And you believe him and assume they're lying?

Wow.

[crazycatlady]

38. that's the patriarchy for you

[EffieBlack]

42. Yep.

Men who admit behavior STILL must be given the benefit of the doubt while the women who accuse them get no such benefit - they're just liars.

[Kirk Lover]

64. Well everybody around here did that for Al Franken so maybe some folks will

extend it to others too. Ya know pick and choose.

[madaboutharry]

23. The abuse goes back years.

There is photographic evidence and contemporaneous corroboration from people who know the women. Most importantly, he admits it. He just says they wanted him to treat them that way.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. So because women are coming forward now and not earlier, you don't believe them?

It's the timing that does it for you? I mean, "Just four women." Listen to yourself.

[IluvPitties]

16. Dude beats up women. He's sick.

This ain't Al Franken.

[spooky3]

35. read the New Yorker article here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

It's pretty compelling, IMHO. Very detailed accusations of violence that are similar, by women who did not know one another. And the article was co-authored by Ronan Farrow, who also wrote an article exposing Harvey Weinstein's behavior.

That said, I still would have supported a full investigation by legal authorities before he resigned if he chose to go that route.

[EffieBlack]

43. I think he probably didn't want to Expose himself to that - no telling what else would come out

He resigned in record speed.

[spooky3]

48. That's what I think, too. Cuomo did make a public statement putting pressure on him to

resign based on the compelling case made in the New Yorker. But that's not the same as having the majority of your colleagues (as in the Franken case) put pressure on you to resign, on the basis of very weak accusations of behavior that was not violent--some of which were made by people with ties to Fox.

[EffieBlack]

52. Yep

[bullwinkle428]

58. Did you believe the accusations against Rob Porter? Because there was photographic

evidence? Guess what - there's photographic evidence included in these accusations as well.

[madinmaryland]

13. Another win for the Repubican Machine. Another six to sixty years of Repubican Fascist

leadership of this country. Thank god I am late 50's and I'm tired of this shit. I'll die in the next few years, so why THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE.

[msongs]

15. remember when the justice system was innocent until proven guilty? how quaint nt

[EffieBlack]

18. Yes. But considering that this isn't the justice system, the doesn't apply

Eric Schneiderman is a politician, not a criminal defendant. And DU is Internet discussion board, not a courtroom. And we are observers, not a jury.

So we can have any opinion we want. And he has no constitutional right to be NY Attorney General.

So, I say again:

[underthematrix]

49. He was elected so under the NY constitution

he does have a right to the office

[EffieBlack]

56. Well, that's a moot point now, isn't it?

[Codeine]

20. Do we believe Trump is innocent?

Nobody here is on a jury and this isn’t a courtroom.

[underthematrix]

50. I believe the Trump accusers

because Trumop has admitted to grabbing them by the pussy.

Eric said it was consensual and the women said it was not. I believe Eric.

[EffieBlack]

59. Trump didn't admit to grabbing those women at all

He said that when you're famous you can do anything you want, even grab them by the --- and they let you (consent). He didn't say he grabbed every woman he ever met. And the women accusing him didn't all accuse him of grabbing them by the genitals.

He denies assaulting them at all. He didn't even admit as much as Schneiderman did - he didn't say he grabbed them, but they let him.

Bottom line is that you have a double standard and now you're grabbing at straws because you can't justify it.

[underthematrix]

79. He described his approach to beautiful women which was to grab them by pussy.

[EffieBlack]

80. That's not the same as admitting to assaulting those particular women.

[treestar]

77. +1

[LisaL]

24. WTF is there to be happy about?

[EffieBlack]

28. Why do you think I'm happy?

I'm completely disgusted.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. I'm always happy when abusers are exposed. Always.

Happy probably isn't the right word. But I'm definitely not sad.

[BannonsLiver]

36. +1

You noticed that too?

[JoeOtterbein]

31. Yep! And then we Dems say; Americans fire our creeps, Trump you're FIRED!

over and over and over.........

[LisaL]

32. Yes, sure.

[Hoyt]

37. Hope I'm not rushing to judgement, but Schneiderman's apparent actions tick me off.

It also ticks me off he ran for office.

[EffieBlack]

41. Exactly - if he couldn't help himself and needed to let his freak flag fly, fine. But don't do it

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on our time and dime - and definitely don't put yourself out there on top of some of the most important and sensitive cases and investigations happening in the country.

[Hoyt]

73. "Our dime" is a good way to put it.

[sharedvalues]

46. I'm with you Effie

Two named accusers, accusing him of non-consensual abusive behavior, backed by two anonymous accusers checked by the New Yorker, known for its fact checking, and Farrow and Mayer who have been solid.
Bye bye Schneiderman. Next man (or woman) up. (Someone put forward Zephyr Teachout who would be great.)

[Exotica]

78. Zephyr Teachout would be a fantastic pick.

[ismnotwasm]

53. Yup

[peggysue2]

54. Sadly, it is bye-bye

I find the recent revelations/corroborating stories of violence in this story really, really disturbing. And mega-disappointing. But, anyone taking on the Trumpster and his enablers is required to be above reproach because the Smear and Scandal Machine is grinding just as hard as the Justice Gears.

That being said no one is above the Law, not a President, not a State Attorney General. Party affiliation is beside the point, as is any hopeful expectations we may have invested in Schneiderman, the man.

We're a country of Laws, not men. We either believe that or we don't. If we don't then we truly are doomed.

I give Schneiderman credit with his quick resignation; he would not have been effective with these accusations hanging over his head.

And no, this is not like the attack on Franken. Although the timing of this is curious. In the way the Eliot Spitzer timing/demise was . . . convenient.

[EffieBlack]

61. The timing is curious and he was probably targeted

Which is why, as you said, he should have made sure his shit was beyond reproach.

[njhoneybadger]

55. This is the worst thing that could have happened.

Republicans will go all out on next Attorney General. tRump will get away with everything!
Bye Bye to Hope.

[EffieBlack]

62. I don't think it's that bad

Bad, but not the end of the world.

And if it was going to happen, better to get it over with.

[MariaCSR]

66. It's over

The legislature will pick a repub and everything will be dropped.

Damn.

[EffieBlack]

67. You forget that the AG's boss is a Democrat

[MariaCSR]

68. And they gonna find something on him too

And then he'll resign. And on and on up the food chain.

[EffieBlack]

69. Ok. Never mind - we're DOOMED!

Feel free to roll over and play dead.

But not me. I have some change to make.

[MariaCSR]

71. Mock if you must

But the one person who should go down for his crimes, isn't. Every time it seems like someone gets close, they go down. Face it, Trump is untouchable.

[EffieBlack]

72. No, he's not

Be patient.

[NewJeffCT]

74. The state legislature that would name Schneiderman's replacement

is controlled by Democrats by over a 2-1 margin. It will be a joint session to choose the replacement and Democrats overall have a big advantage.

[MineralMan]

75. Goodbye to all sexual abusers. Political Party has nothing to do with that.

There are offenders of all kinds. Fire every last one of them!

[Tipperary]

76. Yes.