Mr. Mueller. Please. Hurry. The. Fuck. Up. - signed, The World

[NightWatcher]

At least those of us with a connected brain stem who aren't praying for the Apocalypse.

[triron]

1. Wished some indictments would come down at least. Anyone.

[PJMcK]

9. He's got 70 blanks ready to go (n/t)

[OliverQ]

32. Those aren't indictments, they're subpoenas for the Manafort case.

It's also only 35 of them (2 per set).

[PJMcK]

46. Yeah, whatever

You're correct, of course.

Enjoy your weekend, OliverQ.

[whathehell]

17. Yes, me too. n/t.

[bearsfootball516]

2. Be ready to take the country into your own hands at the ballot box.

Expecting Mueller to bring down Trump by himself is foolish. The most likely way we get Trump out of office is by beating him in 2020.

[NightWatcher]

4. And if the next one is rigged just like the last one?

[pangaia]

5. 2020, hell -- 2018..

I am NOT confident...

Not one bit...

[bearsfootball516]

6. Rigged how so, as in Russian interference?

If that's the case, we just have to come out in overwhelming numbers. Trump won his swing states by incredibly slim margins, we can overtake those.

[OliverQ]

33. If you think this country is going to survive another 3 years, I have some bad news.

The judiciary alone is being stacked so hard with right-wing fascists, and I can almost guarantee Trump will get at least 1 other Supreme Court pick by 2020.

[whathehell]

16. Um, no one's suggesting he can "bring Trump down by himself"

We need the Congress and popular pressure, but he will likely play a very large part.

[Snackshack]

52. True.

Mueller is not going to solve the issue of trump & co. Even if he has enough evidence to indict trump it is doubtful he would. It would have to be evidence of an extraordinary nature. He would provide the evidence to congress and let them decide what to do. We all know what the current congress would do...nothing. It is going to take Dems winning back the House in November at a minimum.

As the OP said I hope he does do something soon before we get any closer to the mid terms. The closer we get to midterms the less likely any movement on this case will happen.

[gratuitous]

3. Dear World. I. Only. Get. One. Shot.

So I need to make the case airtight. Love and kisses, Bobby Three Sticks

[louis c]

7. Hurry Up and Save Me

[malaise]

8. Thank you

Rec

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. Expecting him to "save" anything or anybody is a mistake, IMO.

[whathehell]

14. Why?..He will likely play a significant part in

doing so.

[BlueJac]

11. I have been wondering...

what would happen anyway. There have been many crimes committed and have all gone unpunished. Are they all worried what would happed, IF? I am thinking that the stomach to take down Trump is very nervous!

[maxsolomon]

12. Mueller is not going to save us.

taking the House and Senate in 2018 will not save us.

only 2020 will save us.

[whathehell]

15. Is that right?

Are you possessed of some foreknowledge the rest of us lack?..

[Calista241]

21. From one of Obama's District Attorneys.

We can only save ourselves in 2020. John Marston, the author of the article below, was a federal fraud and corruption prosecutor for Obama in Washington DC.



Mueller will not charge Trump

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/386160-mueller-will-not-charge-trump

[whathehell]

26. That's one opinion..

Mueller will charge Trump -- That's another.

[Cicada]

28. Mueller must follow DOJ rules, no choice, so no Trump indictment

I saw an electricians truck with a bumper sticker. Light 186,000 miles per second. It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.

Mueller must obey DOJ rules because he is DOJ employee.

Plus it’s a good idea. Indicting Trump would make him a martyr, it would drive trumpeters insane with fury and grievance. Far far better to just vote him out. Then his cultists will just have to whimper off stage.

[Top-Hat]

31. Mueller can rid us of Trump without perp-walking him out if the oval office.

I believe that the investigation report is what will bring the end of the Trump presidency - either through impeachment or resignation.

Nixon was identified as an 'Unindicted Co-conspirator'. That told the nation that he was part of the illegal conspiracy. I was in the Peace Corps at the time on the other side of the world, listening on Voice if America. I knew what that meant - and clearly Congress knew what that meant. Nixon resigned.

Mueller has been following the money trail. I think this will reveal a number of financial crimes. Particularly that he has laundered money for Russians in his real estate holdings, and that he is deeply in debt to them. These are motives to collude with the Russians on any number of things, which can support the circumstantial and testimonial evidence Mueller has gathered.

The report that will be issued by the Mueller investigation will be politically appalling and document serious criminal activities. The fact that some Republican members of the Senate are proposing legislative action to ensure that the report will be provided to Congress shows that I am not alone in my confidence in what Mueller will report.

[Cicada]

42. Is laundering money for russkies via realty illegal?

It seems obvious real estate is used to launder money but I don’t recall a single prosecution. It seems to me it is probably legal.

[Top-Hat]

49. Paul Manafort was indicted for money laundering

(among other things) through real estate. The trick seems to be expending the effort to trace the money through the LLCs to its original illegal source.

[Cicada]

50. I should have said laundering dirty money of another by selling them realty

I assume Manafort is alleged to have laundered his own illegal money by buying real estate. Real estate brokers and developers sell real estate to crooks morning noon and night, obviously so. Has even one developer or broker been charged for that anywhere ever?

[fallout87]

35. No. It's not an opinion

It's an unpopular fact. I wish it werent so, either. Name a sitting president that has been indicted....

[whathehell]

38. Yes, it is an opinion, one experts differ on.

"Name a sitting that has been indicted".

Nixon was named an "unindicted co-conspirator" and promptly run out of office . That works for me.

[fallout87]

39. That's not an indictment. And Nixon wasn't charged with any crimes.

Does trump seem like a guy that would resign? Hell no.

Mueller has also told the tRump team that he's not a target. This would confirm that Mueller follows DOJ policy in that a sitting president cannot be indicted.


Look, I wish it weren't so, but I'm just following the facts.

[whathehell]

41. Who cares? The point is, Nixon chose resignation

over impeachment, and we were then rid of him.

I'm not convinced Trump would choose inpeachment, but if he did, he'd lose and would then be out of office and THAT, in my view, is the objective.

[fallout87]

43. Agreed 100%

I just dont have much faith that he could get convicted in the Senate since it takes a 3/4 majority.

[maxsolomon]

24. I'm posessed of historical perspective and cynicism, not foreknowledge.

the most likely outcome of the Mueller investigation is: Trump leaves office in January 2025. that's the most likely outcome of any presidency: 8 years.

having gutted the bureaucracy and installed a slate of conservative judges at the federal level, he will soon control nearly all the levers of power. his voters are convinced he was sent by Jesus to save America from liberals. they're profoundly ignorant, propagandized, and basically want to kill us. they have the preponderance of firearms, and would probably foment bloodshed if he were removed.

we're as much of the verge of toppling into an autocracy as we are an impeachment/conviction/Pence presidency.

[whathehell]

25. You are possessed, in other words, of an Opinion

that you are expressing as Fact. This is where Problems arise.

[maxsolomon]

54. oh please...

so is everyone on this board.

I'll put a question mark at the end next time.

[whathehell]

57. Oh riiiight

because sloppy writing really adds to the clarity of a discussion.

[maxsolomon]

59. You misspelled "right"

Pretty sloppy for a nitpicker.

[whathehell]

60. Lol...You thought that was unintentiona?

[rickyhall]

13. Only 1 thing will remove Trump

And suggesting it could get me a visit from the Secret Service

[GulfCoast66]

18. Mueller will accomplish nothing to remove Trump

The republicans will ignore every offense up to and including treason.

The Ballit box is the only way we win.

[whathehell]

36. Of COURSE he won't - He 's an amateur and you're an axpert

[GulfCoast66]

44. Perhaps I should rephrase

No matter what Mueller accomplishes, the republicans will do nothing. Even if Mueller finds evidence of Treason the republicans will call it fake news and refuse to act. There is no criminal solution to this problem. Only political.

The Ballot box is the only way we will win.

I Thought my first post made the same point. Obviously I needed to be more precise.

[Mr. Ected]

19. After yesterday's revelations, I'm beginning to think Michael Avenatti has been conscripted

By a consortium of high level Democratic donors and the intelligence community to leak carefully selected information designed to reveal to the American people the existence and significance of evidence proving collusion, bribery and obstruction.

Where in God's name did Avenatti come up with the information in his report? This is way beyond the scope of a civil attorney and his investigative team's abilities.

Avenatti is too damn good to have just "popped up" out of nowhere. He's the people's Mueller. He's dropping crumbs while Mueller's justice grinds slowly but finely.

[OneGrassRoot]

20. He said something interesting last night...

I'm paraphrasing: He said he takes a lot of shit for appearing on TV so much and being active on twitter, but he said it's working. Being so visible and accessible is resulting in lots of people contacting him with new information.

There's an awful lot of excellent crowdsourcing being done by people on twitter. So much of the information is available to the public, for those who know where to look (and some have been doing it for years). There are seemingly billions of puzzle pieces to this international corruption cabal and many people are putting together different sections of the puzzle. If Avenatti and his team are the ones gathering these pieces - since he is making himself accessible -- he would have a LOT of ongoing info. Not only about the non-disclosure issues similar to Stormy's, but how all this corruption ties together.

But I'm with you...I hope he has a lot of power behind him, including IC peeps leaking.

Love that: "The People's Mueller."

[Mr. Ected]

22. He also said something on Lawrence O'Donnell that was prescient

He was responding to Lawrence about this new information about the source of these funds in Cohen's account being the tip of the iceberg. He said, "I think....I think....I know there's more to come (as to the outflow of those funds). The way he teetered on the word "think" and then corrected himself to say "know" made me think immediately that he already is aware of the distribution of that money and is holding it until it can be revealed at a later time. They're staging this, one revelation at a time. Drip, drip, drip.

[OneGrassRoot]

23. He's the perfect person to go against Trump.

I got the same impression from watching him last night on various shows. He knows a lot more than he's shared thus far.

What did he say? Something like "I prefer to underpromise and then overdeliver, which I've proven over the last 8 weeks."

[ooky]

53. He's payback for Wiki Leaks and Assange.

[MariaCSR]

27. Adelson gives GOP 30mil to keep the house

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/10/adelson-republicans-midterms-579436

[Oneironaut]

29. Let's be totally honest - If you're hoping for Mueller to save us, it's not going to happen.

A - Trump needs to be indicted in the first place. This *might* happen.

B - Trump needs to be impeached. This probably won't happen.

C - Trump needs to be removed from office - we probably have better chance of getting struck by lightning

D - If Trump is removed from office, we get Pence.

We're pretty much forced to live this waking nightmare until 2021.

[whathehell]

30. Let's be even more honest -- You're stating Opinions as Facts

when, in reality, you know nothing more than anyone here.

Pessimism Posts = Attention on DU and that, I believe, is the main reason for their appearance.

[Oneironaut]

37. All user-created content on this website is opinion.

Also, everybody here hopes that their post gets attention in some way. Otherwise, we might as well just write notes to ourselves offline.

Furthermore, anyone who claims to be "more informed" than anyone else on the internet is usually a liar. I am like any other poster here - a name, avatar, and opinion. I do enjoy when people respond to my posts, though, even if the reaction is negative.

[whathehell]

40. Yup

and that's why expressing it as indisputable "fact" is ridiculous.

[pangaia]

51. Where does Oneironaut state that his/her comments are fact? Much less indisputable facts?

As it is, I agree with all those statements..... of "opinion."

[whathehell]

55. Failing to preface a statement

with "I think", I believe", or something similar connotes a statement of fact, rather than opinion.

[GulfCoast66]

45. So explain how you see Mueller's investigation leading to Trumps removal?

You can call post pessimistic and assign nefarious reasons for them all you want. But many of us here see your optimism as living in a dream world and getting set up for a major letdown.

What past actions make you in any way optimistic that the republicans will ever lend a hand in the removal of Trump? Because without Republican support Trump cannot be forced out.

[whathehell]

56. Already done..

Check Top Hat's post on Richard M. Nixon

As for Republican support, that can't be gauged before the findings of the investigation are presented.

In the interim, feel free to enjoy the pessimism.

[fallout87]

34. DOJ policy states a sitting president cannot be indicted. And Mueller is a man of integrity that

follows policy, according to everyone that knows him...Mueller is not going to save us from tRump. Period.

Removing a president is done through the impeachment process, not by a single prosecutor.

[oberliner]

47. Republicans will never vote to impeach Trump

I wish people would come to terms with that.

[Garrett78]

48. Trump will likely serve out his term and maintain the support of a good 1/3rd of the population.

I wish that wasn't the case, but wishing doesn't make it so.

[whathehell]

58. I wish people would come to terms with this fact..

We can't predict the future.

All of us are impatient and negative predictions may sheild us psychologically from a big letdown, but no one has a lock on this. Just sayin'.