Should Donald Trump Be Impeached?

[kentuck]

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[bearsfootball516]

1. Should he be? Yes. Will he be? I don't think so.

A lot more goes into impeachment than whether or not someone deserves it.

[COLGATE4]

2. I voted "No", for the following reasons.

1- If Trump is impeached and the Senate fails to convict him (an outcome almost certainly likely given the improbability of getting 67 Senators to vote to remove him) he emerges even more untouchable than he is at present. I shudder to think of what a totally unrestricted Trump would look like. Not a desirable outcome IMO.

2- If Trump is impeached and the Senate convicts him Pence becomes President. IMO Pence is even more dangerous than Dumpy as he will undoubtedly move as rapidly as he possibly can to consolidate power for the Dominionists throughout the government. LGBT rights, as well as rights for all minorities will be in grave peril since they do not conform to his radical view of Christianity. Likewise the courts will become polluted for decades with the massive appointment of RW judges who share his radical ideology. And, of course, we can look forward to President Pence's first act in office of pardoning ex-President Trump.

In short, I believe we're screwed until at least 2020. We need to concentrate all our efforts to electing Democrats to Congress in the 2018 mid-terms and to electing a Democrat President in 2020. Impeaching Trump might be a "feel good" exercise but in the long run would leave us in a worse position than before.

[kentuck]

3. " he emerges even more untouchable than he is at present"

How??

[COLGATE4]

5. Once he's been declared "not guilty" in an Impeachment trial

by the Senate and resumes the Presidency what possible punishments are there for whatever wrongdoing he decides to persue? He can do whatever the hell he feels like doing knowing full well that there is no viable punishment that can be brought to bear against him/

[kentuck]

8. How would that be any different than what is happening in the present??

"He can do whatever the hell he feels like doing knowing full well that there is no viable punishment that can be brought to bear against him"

[COLGATE4]

10. I hear you and agree that the difference might be minimal but right

now he is still concerned about how he's perceived by the public at large. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't know how far he can push the envelope - he's still feeling his way in this regard, But if he's tried and found not guilty I believe he'd take that as an affirmation that there is no punishment of any kind which he'd be exposed to, regardless of the obvious nature of any of his actions. And that would be truly terrifying.

[kentuck]

11. Isn't that like saying, "We'll let him rob the little banks..."

So long as he doesn't commit any serious crimes??

Do we have any moral obligation to stop such nonsense?

[COLGATE4]

14. That may well be true. Right now the Rethugs in Congress seem

to be fine with him robbing the little banks. But when Democrats have been hammered into total submission after a Trump impeachment fiasco ending in him victoriously declared "NOT GUILTY" any self-imposed constraints go out the window and he can turn his attention to robbing whatever he feels like robbing in order to enlarge his nest egg when his second term finishes.

[kentuck]

17. Whether they impeach or not...

...I do not think people will feel any differently than they do now about Donald Trump. Either they support him or they don't. In my opinion, no one would change their opinion either way?

[COLGATE4]

18. There is traditionally about 10%-15% of the electorate that

is undecided on uncommitted. These are the people that may well see the difference and are the same group that can swing elections to one side or the other.

[kentuck]

20. You may be right but...

I cannot believe anyone could be undecided on Donald Trump after 16 months in office? And that if he were impeached, they would get off the fence and stand with Donald Trump?

But, in my opinion, we should never, as a people, choose to accept a real and present evil, in order to escape the more imaginary evil that might happen if we get rid of the present evil? That has never made sense to me??

[bearsfootball516]

7. He'll have no fear of doing anything that's bad because he knows he won't be convicted in the Senate

Then he and his base can use it as a rallying cry that the despicable liberals tried to kick him out of office, but they failed. Impeachment without conviction in the Senate would embolden him.

That's why I don't think Democrats in the House will move to impeach him even if they win the majority this fall, if it isn't a lead pipe lock that they have the votes needed in the Senate to convict.

[standingtall]

15. He will do the same thing if he is not impeached

He will declare himself exonerated.

[lpbk2713]

4. Arrested

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[marble falls]

6. Not until Pence is sidelined and Pelosi is majority leader.

[Kingofalldems]

9. Not impeached, jailed.

[Orsino]

12. For a given value of "should," certainly.

If we had the kind of government that could impeach and convict him, though, he would never have been installed as president.

[kentuck]

13. I think our flaw is that we tend to think as Democrats or Republicans when we should be thinking...

...as individual citizens.

We should think of the possibilities of the whole instead of the possibilities of one half.

Division is a problem, not a solution.

[NightWatcher]

16. Indicted!

[COLGATE4]

19. I completely agree that getting Trump indicted is

eminently preferable to getting him impeached.

[BlueJac]

21. You don't impeach traitors...

Do they!