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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:49 AM Aug 2012

CNN: Romney Violating Federal Laws 'Coordinating' With Karl Rove

THU AUG 02, 2012 AT 08:33 AM PDT
CNN: Romney Violating Federal Laws 'Coordinating' With Karl Rove
bykeepemhonest

CNN is http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/... reporting that Romney is violating Federal Laws that govern the illegality of Super PACs coordinating with a Campaign. According to CNN, today Karl Rove and Romney's Adviser, Ed Gillespie, are illegally coordinating campaign strategy at a Policy Briefing in Colorado.



CNN

August 2, 2012 (Thursday): Aspen, Colorado (CNN) –

Despite laws barring coordination between federal campaigns and outside groups, Karl Rove and (Paid Romney Adviser)Ed Gillespie are hosting a joint closed-door political briefing with leading Republican donors Thursday.

According to Republicans familiar with the schedule, the two operatives are headlining a lunchtime political briefing for top donors at the Republican Governors Association meeting in Aspen, a posh, closed-press affair where GOP governors mingle with some of their biggest financial backers.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/02/first-on-cnn-rove-gillespie-hosting-joint-political-briefing-in-aspen/


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CNN: Romney Violating Federal Laws 'Coordinating' With Karl Rove (Original Post) kpete Aug 2012 OP
not the first instance, either bigtree Aug 2012 #1
Laws are for Turbineguy Aug 2012 #2
not the culturally superior bigtree Aug 2012 #4
You mean "small" people. MoonRiver Aug 2012 #12
In anthropology, it would be "others" or "other people" Coyotl Aug 2012 #16
How about we just cut to the chase. MoonRiver Aug 2012 #22
The "othering" process goes farther, it removes the others from the human category Coyotl Aug 2012 #70
Well said Coyotl. MoonRiver Aug 2012 #71
The comment is quoting super-wealthy hotel magnate Leona Helmsley, tblue37 Aug 2012 #54
"You people" lastlib Aug 2012 #20
That's what Ann Rmoney said when telling off the black reprter about the taxes thecrow Aug 2012 #34
Laws are for Democrats. Kablooie Aug 2012 #50
+1. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #67
...And Democrats!! SkyDaddy7 Aug 2012 #53
I clicked on the blog link and got this. Lint Head Aug 2012 #3
The link in the grey box works, I just checked! Firebrand Gary Aug 2012 #6
What brass! nt MADem Aug 2012 #5
"we go to the big house" Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #7
Photo of their "big house" KansDem Aug 2012 #10
The house he sold in Deer Valley was nice. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #35
House? That looks like a village! KansDem Aug 2012 #36
The Romneys ARE a village. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #39
And it takes a village... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #61
That's right! Mitt's a "jobs creator!" (nt) KansDem Aug 2012 #69
Of course not Karl plays by a different set of rules Stuckinohio Aug 2012 #41
As if CNN would ever report on this on their cable news shows. Wolf??? jillan Aug 2012 #8
You expect Mr. -$4,600 to report this on his show?? Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #32
Time to revoke Crossroads GPS's tax exempt status. Ganja Ninja Aug 2012 #9
Law, shmaw IDemo Aug 2012 #11
Laws don't apply to white folks with incomes over $250k. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #13
Laws don't apply to white folks with incomes over $250K lark Aug 2012 #15
I forgot to add that. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #52
Bullshit, ask Don Seigleman (sp?) n/t hootinholler Aug 2012 #46
Martha Stewart begs to differ with you.... Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #66
I think a great ad would be: "If you liked GWB, you'll LOVE Romney" with a pic of Rove/Romney. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #14
If you liked GW Bush, you will love MR Money! Coyotl Aug 2012 #17
Laws mean nothing to Mitt after all he was a retroactive citizen of Massachusetts for 7 years. gordianot Aug 2012 #18
Rules are for the peons...Mitt even wink winks blind trusts.. Historic NY Aug 2012 #19
Romney to Federal Laws: "Kiss my ass" berni_mccoy Aug 2012 #21
Good that CNN is reporting this. LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #23
+1 glinda Aug 2012 #26
Pfff. Laws are for poor people. Ian_rd Aug 2012 #24
Prosecute them, damn it! Maineman Aug 2012 #25
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #27
so heaven05 Aug 2012 #28
this is so frustrating barbtries Aug 2012 #29
They can do anything that want even if it's illegal. Harriety Aug 2012 #30
So since a law is being broken... valerief Aug 2012 #31
Hell, why bother with laws when you're a Reep. ananda Aug 2012 #33
Laws....schmaws.... kentuck Aug 2012 #37
I'm sure they'll get a sternly worded letter from the FEC. If that. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #38
Because Citizens United just wasn't enough. nt DCKit Aug 2012 #40
Justice dept. Stuckinohio Aug 2012 #42
Justice dept, the fed, the AG Stuckinohio Aug 2012 #48
As if when they 'decide' not to persue it's not seen as politically motivated... Amonester Aug 2012 #58
Looks like CNN is writing off Romney, too. Remember how many election laws Rove broke McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #43
Lying, Cheating, and Stealing. Blue Owl Aug 2012 #44
Rove and Gillespie have a long history of working together starroute Aug 2012 #45
What a list (and history) of shady operatives in that article... pinto Aug 2012 #47
Guess he doesn't watch Colbert KamaAina Aug 2012 #49
And he used none other than Ham Rove himself. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #51
Laws are for schmucks, peons, the little people. blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #55
but he's a fascist(opposite of socialist) so it's ok! fascisthunter Aug 2012 #56
...but, it's his turn. Peaceful Protester Aug 2012 #57
love the graphic :) SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #60
so, what is the possible punishment for this crime? justabob Aug 2012 #59
send in the feds...we are a nation of laws spanone Aug 2012 #62
Is it really CO-ordinating, if Rove just issues marching orders to Romney's crew? tclambert Aug 2012 #63
Typical Rove attitude... Gman Aug 2012 #64
No one will do a goddam thing deutsey Aug 2012 #65
Those laws are not enforced for Republicans. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Aug 2012 #68
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
16. In anthropology, it would be "others" or "other people"
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

The verb is "othering" and the act is as old as cannibalism, warfare, slavery, and rape. To perpetrate injustice, first comes the rationalization that they are "others" in forms like Nixon's political enemies, or witches, or people of color. Then, it is easy to war on them, steal their voting rights, tax them unfairly, jail them for drugs, etc.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
22. How about we just cut to the chase.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012

All "others" are simply sub-human. There, now it all becomes very easy.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
70. The "othering" process goes farther, it removes the others from the human category
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:53 AM
Aug 2012

Those "people" is not the result. New terms are invented to reclassify others outside the human family. That is why they can be killed, their gold taken, the women raped, their lands seized, etc. This scenario played out after Contact in the Americas. It took the Church a long time to declare that Native Americans were real humans and had souls, but even then, slavery was possible and non-believers could be paraded around the plaza in dunce caps before they were burned to death for thinking.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
71. Well said Coyotl.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:06 PM
Aug 2012

When we visited Australia we learned about the dehumanization of Aborigines there. At one time, tourists were taken on safaris to bag themselves an Aborigine. The heads were then proudly mounted in hunters' homes.

Needless to say our reaction was and

tblue37

(65,405 posts)
54. The comment is quoting super-wealthy hotel magnate Leona Helmsley,
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aug 2012

nicknamed "the Queen of Mean," who was ultimately jailed for tax evasion.

She was quoted by an employee or an acquaintance (I forget which) as saying she didn't pay taxes because "Taxes are for the little people."

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
34. That's what Ann Rmoney said when telling off the black reprter about the taxes
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aug 2012

"we released our taxes for a year and that's all YOU PEOPLE need to know" (sic)

I'm surprised that more people didn't jump on the "you people" part of that
because she was obviously talking to an "other" and smiling while belittling her.
I suppose she was thinking she was culturally superior to the reporter.... after all, she's rich!

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
53. ...And Democrats!!
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:48 PM
Aug 2012

If Obama were doing the same thing the entire press would be screaming about it on every channel & the GOP would be opening up investigations!!!

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
3. I clicked on the blog link and got this.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:51 AM
Aug 2012

Not Found

Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
39. The Romneys ARE a village.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:49 PM
Aug 2012

Have you seen the family pictures?

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What's with blue and white checkered shirts?

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Here all the boys are in navy and the girls in white.

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Nice shot of them in the gene pool.

The Republican establishment want this to be a political dynasty to replace the Bush family.

lark

(23,105 posts)
15. Laws don't apply to white folks with incomes over $250K
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:18 PM
Aug 2012

who are Repugs. Laws for some funny reason do seem to apply to Dems, no matter what the income.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
14. I think a great ad would be: "If you liked GWB, you'll LOVE Romney" with a pic of Rove/Romney.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:16 PM
Aug 2012

Basically, it's the same people from Bush's campaign. The candidates are interchangeable. Rove should be in prison, but he's not.

gordianot

(15,240 posts)
18. Laws mean nothing to Mitt after all he was a retroactive citizen of Massachusetts for 7 years.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

Which allowed him to run for Governor as a resident. This too will be easy for him to dismiss. Rove also seems to have acquired plenty of legal immunity over the years.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
19. Rules are for the peons...Mitt even wink winks blind trusts..
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:27 PM
Aug 2012

because his kind think they are special.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
23. Good that CNN is reporting this.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012

Nothing will come of it, but at least we have noted that there are still campaign laws that can and will be broken without penalty.

Our political system is in a shambles. Thank you SCOTUS. We are well fucked.

Maineman

(854 posts)
25. Prosecute them, damn it!
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

I suppose there is no real penalty. Where are the justice department and FEC???

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
28. so
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:39 PM
Aug 2012

nothing will be done to anyone at that luncheon. but it's good to see how easy it is to ignore campaign law. rethugs KNOW they are above reproach and give less than a damn about legalities except when working it in their favor.

Harriety

(298 posts)
30. They can do anything that want even if it's illegal.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

Because they are Republicans. Any one else to tries this kind of crap gets put through the ringer and strung out to dry. They did get caught in Watergate scandal but that one slipped for the shits of it.

Stuckinohio

(3 posts)
42. Justice dept.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:35 PM
Aug 2012

Will do nothing because since its a political opposition committing the alleged crime if they were to persue it's would be seen as politically motivated and thus hurt their
image

Stuckinohio

(3 posts)
48. Justice dept, the fed, the AG
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

Will do nothing because since its a political opposition committing the alleged crime if they were to persue it's would be seen as politically motivated and thus hurt their
image

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
58. As if when they 'decide' not to persue it's not seen as politically motivated...
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:33 PM
Aug 2012

and does not hurt their image... (in some way).

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
43. Looks like CNN is writing off Romney, too. Remember how many election laws Rove broke
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
Aug 2012

for W. and how little MSM attention it got?

starroute

(12,977 posts)
45. Rove and Gillespie have a long history of working together
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:43 PM
Aug 2012

Here's a PBS interview with Gillespie from 2005:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/interviews/gillespie.html

In 2000, I was working for [Ohio] Congressman John Kasich, who was the chairman of the House Budget Committee. He was considering running for president, but decided against it. ... It was at that time that I started to talk to the folks in the Bush campaign in Austin. My wife [Cathy Gillespie] had known Karl Rove. She's a political operative in her own right. ... She and Karl had worked on a campaign in Texas back in 1984. She introduced me to Karl, and he asked me to serve as an informal adviser to the Bush-Cheney campaign from Washington, which I did.

----

Gillespie first became known in 1994 as a principal drafter of Newt Gingrich's Contract with America. He became RNC director of communications during the 1996 election, then left to found a PR firm that was involved in dodgy campaign money-raising practices.

The Buying of the President 2004 says of Gillespie, ""He has also earned the loyalty and trust of White House political advisor Karl Rove and the Bush inner circle by doing some of the sensitive political work they can't be seen doing themselves. Gillespie reportedly helped to plant and 'spin' some negative news stories about Gore in the crucial weeks before the 2000 election, including accounts of pollution at Gore's Tennessee farm and an endorsement Gore received from a group of pornographers. He is believed to have helped to orchestrate the infamous 'penny-loafer protesters' riot of Republican Capitol Hill aides flown in by Representative Tom DeLay in Miami during the Florida recount. He has also helped the party as a fundraiser; for instance, he was involved in a GOP power and fundraising project called ROMP ('Retain Our Majority Program') run by GOP House leader Tom DeLay to funnel campaign cash to vulnerable Republican candidates, in Gillespie's case squeezing major bucks out of Washington's K Street corridor of lobbyists and lawyers."

Much of Gillespie's dodgy fundraising was designed to conceal the identity of corporate donors. In 2001, for example, he set up something called the 21st Century Energy Project to promote the Bush energy plan. Enron funneled $50,000 to it by way of Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform, and Daimler-Chrysler contributed the same amount by way of Dick Armey's Citizens for a Sound Economy.

Gillespie then served as RNC chair during the 2003-04 election cycle, when he was particularly involved in promoting claims of "voter fraud" in response to Democratic charges that the GOP was engaging in voter suppression and intimidation.

So in the light of their past history together, any accusation that Gillespie and Rove are engaging in illegal circumvention of campaign finance laws is not even news. It's just what they do.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
47. What a list (and history) of shady operatives in that article...
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:50 PM
Aug 2012

and agree - circumventing campaign finance laws is nothing new to this group. It's standard operating procedure.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
49. Guess he doesn't watch Colbert
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

Colbert and his lawyer demonstrated for us how to NOT COORDINATE months ago!

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
55. Laws are for schmucks, peons, the little people.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:40 PM
Aug 2012

If only we had an uncompromised Press in this Country ...

justabob

(3,069 posts)
59. so, what is the possible punishment for this crime?
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:52 PM
Aug 2012

I know it is unlikely to come to that, but assume for a minute prosecution is going to happen and they are found guilty. What happens? A fine equivalent to a slap on the wrist? Dissolution of the involved PACs? Jail? What?

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
63. Is it really CO-ordinating, if Rove just issues marching orders to Romney's crew?
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:38 AM
Aug 2012

You don't think Romney or the crew of the S.S. Minnow actually get to make suggestions.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
65. No one will do a goddam thing
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:28 AM
Aug 2012

News like this gets people like us all in a lather, but no one else gives a fuck.

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