Will I Be Banned If I Say How I Feel About Israeli Soldiers Slaughtering Unarmed Children?

[PaulX2]

I really don't want to lose my account, but shooting kids is kinda sick in my book.

I won't say how I really feel. I want to continue communicating here.

1300 shot today. For protesting.

My gawd.

[ProudLib72]

1. I'll join you in not saying how I feel

[nancy1942]

2. Me too.

[msongs]

3. why should u be banned on that topic in the general discussion forum? nt

[3Hotdogs]

19. You are allowed three deleted posts in 90 days. Then you are banned.

If someone decides an anti Israel post is also anti-Semetic, it gets reported. Then it gets voted on by the jury. If the jury votes that it is offensive, or whatever, that is strike one.

[Rhiannon12866]

32. No, it's 5, then you're Flagged for Review

The only way to come back from that is to successfully appeal a hidden post which can be overturned by the admins.

[hlthe2b]

61. and successful appeal seems to (essentially) never happen.

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So, in reality, FFR means banned.

[marble falls]

122. At least 99% of the time.

[arthritisR_US]

126. Appeals are a total joke and sham.

[LAS14]

132. I've successfully appealed twice. That's about 2/3rds of the times I've been deleted. nt

[hlthe2b]

134. Good!... Do you mind if I ask if that was recently or some time ago? (Curious about trends

over time). Seems like admins don't respond to ATA questions very regularly anymore, so it might make sense that their approach to appeals might have changed over time... (no problem if you don't want to discuss).

[LAS14]

141. Within the last year or two, for sure, but not in the last 6 months.

I recently got an answer to three questions I'd asked of Admin over the course of many months. I got the answers all at once.

[Rhiannon12866]

149. I know.

I haven't seen any, either. They used to be reinstated after the first hide dropped off the list.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. This was allllll part of the plan.

It's only just begun. Tell ya what, no kid from my family is going to fight dt's wars. Not one.

[onecaliberal]

6. Same. Fuck these rotten assholes.

[Bettie]

18. I have two boys

graduating high school before 2020. It scares me a lot.

I'd send them to Canada before I'd let them go to war for that creature.

[BobTheSubgenius]

29. We Canadians need to start lobbying our govt now.

During the Vietnam war, American boys could travel to Canada and stay as long as they needed. I was incredibly proud of my country for doing that, and for officially regarding and labeling them as "immigrants."

In retrospect, I am stunned that there wasn't more blowback.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

51. News: There's no draft anymore.

The only way your kids will fight in dt's wars is if they volunteer.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

57. NEWS

Shit changes daily w dt. Don't count your chickens. Glad you're so confident.

[LanternWaste]

87. our allegation is merely prophecy.

Unless you can point towards valid evidence supporting the premise a draft will be reinstated, your allegation is merely prophecy, regardless of the irrelevance oft-changing shit.

(confusing rational thought and confidence is both a flawed and irrelevant conclusion)

[MythosMaster]

96. Link

Restarting the military draft after more than four decades of an ­all-volunteer force would be complicated.

But it could be done.

Notice the date on article....

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2017/07/25/bringing-back-the-draft/

and it won't be their children drafted, just like in Vietnam draft.

[blkyank1]

129. Restarting the draft

Would take an actual act of Congress. That means Democrats and Republicans would have to vote for it, just as they
voted for authorizing Bush to use force in Iraq. The problem that seemed to scare even a hard line hawk-like Ted Cruz
was the fact that any draft would likely have to involve women.

When Jimmy Carter restored selective service registration (which continues to this day) for young men,
several guys filed suit alleging it was a form of sexual discrimination in that it only required males to
comply or face possible prison, loss of student financial aid and grants, and banning from Federal employment.

The Court's response was since Pentagon policy banned women from front-line combat, they should not have to register
for selective service because the very purpose of a draft would be for Infantry replacements. (Combat troops)
who would be sent right into front-line combat.

The Pentagon has now allowed women to join front-line combat units like infantry, artillery, armor and they can apply
for Special Operations training. This means if a draft was restarted, many young men would file suit on the grounds that
why should military service be voluntary for women but an obligation for men if women are deemed to be fully capable
of holding the same job as a man? The suit would allege that women should be drafted and screened at a processing center
for suitability for infantry deployment the same way a male draftee would.

This horrified Ted Cruz who spoke about not wanting his daughters to be drafted and have to face an enemy soldier
in hand to hand combat (which has been known to happen)

[whathehell]

70. ..or if they join the National Guard ore are even in the Reserves

Two branches of the military that normally don't fight ovetseas...Except when Dubya called them for Iraq.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

73. Anyone joining the NG or Reserves these days should recognize ...

... that they can be activated and deployed.

There are benefits to the military, but there are risks as well.

[whathehell]

74. Yeah, these days.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

76. A few NG units served in Vietnam.

Engineers, Artillery, Infantry.

I think there were Air National Guard as well.

[whathehell]

80. Not many..It's where people like Dubya went

to hide from the draft.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

82. Right. He joined the ANG to hide from the draft, ...

... then went AWOL to hide from the ANG

It was generally a good place to "do some time" without risk. But no guarantees.

[SergeStorms]

143. Isn't it just wonderful....

how he skated away from that as well? The little rich boy with the right name waltzed through life like it was nothing. He was the wealthy's answer to Forrest Gump.

Trump? He's the asshole's asshole. He's the world's closest thing to pure evil.

[hack89]

77. The National Guard and Reserves have always fought overseas

Viet Nam was the exception. The NG is a component of the Regular Army, as are the Reserves. The Army is structured such that they can't fight a war without the NG and Reserves.

[tazkcmo]

128. Yep.

While there is demand during peacetime for support personnel, the need is much greater during times of war and this is where you will see many National Guard and Reserve component personnel come from during wartime, Desert Storm is an excellent example of that.

[bluescribbler]

89. My grandfather was in the National Guard, he fought overseas.

He was in the 101st Infantry, Yankee Division, Massachusetts National Guard. He fought in the trenches in France during the "Great War". I inherited his Purple Heart.

[blkyank1]

133. The National Guard.....

Has a long history of fighting overseas going back to Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders in the Spanish-American War of 1898.
The Rough Riders were considered state troops from Arizona and New Mexico who were brought into Federal Service to fight
alongside the famous black "Buffalo soldiers" who were among the few regular US Army units going into that war.

Remember Harry Truman? He saw combat in WW1 as a member of a Missouri National Guard Artillery Battery.

World War 2 and Korea saw a massive use of the National Guard in overseas combat duty.

LBJ made a political decision to not mobilize the National Guard for Vietnam because he didn't want to escalate
to a world war and he felt mobilizing the guard would send the wrong signal to China and the USSR.

The rich, powerful and smart found out about this and saw the guard as a means for their sons to avoid
combat duty while protecting their future political prospects by claiming military service.

It should be noted that not only did he sons of the powerful like George W Bush use this, but professional athletes
of the era, including members of the Dallas Cowboys, used the guard as a means to avoid deployment (there was
no exemption for being a pro athlete or rock star in those days, ask Elvis)

After Vietnam, the Pentagon made sure to tie the National Guard so much into the wartime needs of the regular Army
that the US could not go to war without calling them up, which many Generals thought would give a President pause before
starting a war whose effects would hit entire communities (when a guard unit deploys) and not just individual homes
if a telegram was sent there saying a son was killed in action.

[atreides1]

79. News for you!

The Selective Service System can be operational in 60-75 days...there are already local and regional draft boards across the country...and all it takes is for the US Congress to reenact the draft!!!

There have been several significant changes from the Vietnam War version.

How do I know this, because I belong to a local board!!!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

81. Ok, now I'm curious: What do you do at your local draft board?

Is there actually any work to do, until Congress activates the draft?

And, as an aside, does service on the board come with a salary?

This from a 1966 draftee.

[IronLionZion]

56. Trump is more interested in heavy carpet bombing

maximum death and destruction on the ground and maximum profits for defense contractors using minimal American soldiers.

In his sick twisted mind, that's a win-win for everyone whose life matters.

[Dawson Leery]

5. If you have draft age children, don't let them die

for the putrid, vile, brutal, monsters that are Evangelicals.

[wasupaloopa]

17. I was drafted and sent to Vietnam. I cringe when ever someone on DU favors a draft so wealthy

kids have to die too. It won't work and it isn't fair to kids to have die in the wars of opportunity we cook up these days.

[BootinUp]

7. Not likely, u might get directed to the forum

For discussing Israeli and Palestinian issues though.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. Me, too.

[emulatorloo]

9. No n/t

[Docreed2003]

10. I wouldn't hide it on a jury...

What's happened today is totally disgusting. We must fight for peace...and that's all that needs to be said.

[Generic Brad]

11. Wrong is wrong

What happened in Israel today cannot be morally justified.

[mshasta]

12. I feel the same

Specially is very interesting that this embassy was open at the first day of the Ramadan

[lunasun]

28. Yes it was all planned out as a power play and slap in the face of Palestinians

[malaise]

50. Yep

+1,000

[Cha]

13. Why would you even think that?

Of course not.

I would think everyone who isn't a bloody idiot feels terrible about this slaughter.

[Eliot Rosewater]

90. Jesus, I just realized you have what?

207,325 posts?

[SWBTATTReg]

95. Amazing isn't it!! And Cha does ROCK! nt

[Cha]

140. So do you, SWBTATTReg!

[Cha]

139. And, I was gone

for two years.. They add up super fast!

anyway.. We have the same sig line.. did you know that?

[world wide wally]

14. Nobel! Nobel! Nobel!

[RKP5637]

15. I feel exactly the same way!!! And if I'm ever kicked out for saying that, well, I guess I've been

in the wrong place!

[moondust]

16. How many Israelis died?

How many wounded?

I haven't heard the numbers on the Israelis. So sad.

Must have been a helluva firefight.

[Duppers]

36. None.

0

We've lost Middle East peace.
J Street org takes the position that Netanyahu is as right wing and bad for Israel as Trump is for the US.

Today, these demonstrators did not hurt anyone. Today was an atrocity.


From The Washington Post article:

No Israeli soldiers were injured, though, and Israel drew widespread condemnation for an excessive use of force.

More than 2,400 people were injured, according to the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, including 1,200 from live ammunition."

[Ligyron]

92. and very little to no medical assistance.

NPR described a real horror story. Almost no doctors available to help. The DWB people need to get involved.

[Duppers]

101. Docs Without Borders?

I've donated monthly to them for yrs. Recently in one of their newsletters, they unfortunately announced that some area are too unsafe for the docs and staff. Perhaps this is one of those cases?


It's heartwrenching to watch clips.

[Ligyron]

103. Yeah, DWB.

Does sound rather dangerous in Gaza just now but if the IDF really used actual trained "sharpshooters" I'll bet they could manage to miss the Dr.'s somehow.

What a mess that place is.

Sad...

[Duppers]

106. "manage to miss the Dr.'s"

It would seem so, wouldn't it?

They should also miss the children!!!

[Bettie]

20. I will join you in not saying how I feel

about innocent people being slaughtered today for protesting.

[brush]

21. Don't know how the hardline Israelis have let themselves go down that...

inhumane path...lured by trump's foolhardy embassy move into this bloodbath

I have to think many Israelis are horrified by their country's slide that's edging towards...well...towards genocide.

What possible justification can there be for this?

[Crunchy Frog]

63. Sadly, I think they've been there for quite some time.

And these violent outbursts occur periodically.

What many of them really just want the Palestinians to simply disappear from land that they've effectively annexed, and consider to be part of Israel (ie, the entire West Bank). With Dump in power, they may see this as their time to act.

If you want to see justifications, just check out any RW Israeli, or pro-Israel publications or discussion sites. Very chilling stuff.

[Scurrilous]

22. OP's like this are OK as long as the 'usual parties' don't engage in I/P flames war of old.*

*My interpretation of what Skinner posted when we switched to DU3 and he gave more leeway to I/P topics posted in LBN and GD.

And since most of the 'usual parties' seemed to be gone (I/P has become fairly slow of late), you should be fine.

It'd be helpful to read the old I/P rules from DU2 (which are stickied in the I/P form). The rules worked well in the I/P forum and should work well in LBN and GD for that particular topic also.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1134287

[TryLogic]

23. I suspect I agree with your unspoken feelings.

[SCVDem]

24. Bullets vs Rocks

Not really a fair fight!

The rocket launchers were out of range

We need to stop arming this mess and get out!

[elmac]

25. The thing about Isreal is

most of its population wants peace and hates the crap tRump & yahoo pulled. They have no more control over their government then we do. We are no longer a democracy.

[Duppers]

38. Sadly true

I posted above that J Street, of which I'm a member, takes the position that Netanyahu is as right wing and bad for Israel as Trump is for the US.

[tonedevil]

43. I'd suggest you are describing...

Iran just as well.

[denbot]

46. Bu-bu-bu ButWhatAbout?!?!

Hmmmm I hear that kind of rebuttals from somewhere.. hmmmm?

[elmac]

67. yep, it decribes most if not all countries under a dictatorship

dictatorships like the US, where elections and governments are bought and paid for.

[Eliot Rosewater]

91. That is my understanding, as well.

[cab67]

108. This is a "yes, but" fact.

Yes, the majority in Israel want peace. But the most rapidly growing part of the Israeli population is the ultraorthodox, and they're the least interested in compromise or peace.

[sharedvalues]

26. Trump's fault. GOP's fault for backing him. Paul Ryan's at fault.

The GOP knew something dangerous could happen. A bigger war could get a lot more people killed.

These kids' blood is on the GOP's hands.

[lunasun]

27. Over 50 have been killed

[BannonsLiver]

35. More analogous to Apartheid in South Africa in my opinion

I do agree with your overall premise though.

[Lithos]

31. You shouldn't

If you keep to the facts, keep civil, avoid anti-Semitic memes, stereotypes and comparisons which includes Godwin's Law, and follow DU's rules including sourcing, then probably not.

Israel is not homogeneous... the ruling government is highly Nationalistic and thriving on the chaos.

To be honest, things are milder than I was expecting. This can easily get worse. But instead of blaming Israel, I blame Trump who is putting two two groups against each other in a way which will escalate as shown- all to appease his end times base.

[gopiscrap]

33. I am with they're deplorable

[PaulX2]

34. I Guess They Were Trying To Escape

Per Richard Engle.

Escape prison.

Just as bad.

Still I made a mistske. It wasn't a protest.

[WiseElder]

37. Better question is why were children there???

What total idiot of a parent would take their children there other than ones who want to put them in harm's way to make some sort of a point.

[Crunchy Frog]

65. Same sorts of idiots who would move their children to West Bank settlements or outposts?

[Squinch]

85. It was a protest. There were thousands of children

at the NY women's March. And no violence whatsoever. Why would they have to assume a protest was "harms way?"

[oberliner]

142. The NY women's march?

That's your comparison?

[tritsofme]

39. Yes, Hamas inciting violence and using women and children as human shields is fucking sick.

[whathehell]

72. I used to hear that about the Vietcong..

during the Vietnam War...I always wondered if it was true or just a way to rationalize the killing of civillians.

[MrModerate]

40. Snipers vs protesters.

That tells us pretty much everything we need to know. I'll do a little dance when Israel falls.

[Marengo]

116. How will Israel fall?

[MrModerate]

148. Their neighbors will roll over them en masse. n/t

[WiseElder]

41. "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Golda Mier

[PaulX2]

54. And stay in their prisons willingly

[EX500rider]

114. Gaza has a border with Eygpt, how is it a prison?

[whathehell]

78. but the Palestinians could probably say that

about the Israelis, don'tcha think?

If you see no hope hope for your childre's future, maybe this looks
like loving them..

[7962]

102. Sadly that wont happen. The Palestinians have been brainwashed into cannon fodder

Who would wilingly take their child to a violent protest? No one with half a damn brain
I wouldn't doubt that they're made to go by Hamas. Who LOVES the violence

[applegrove]

42. I blame the palestinian parents who brought their kids to a violent demonstration too.

[The Polack MSgt]

64. How dare they assume that Israel would refrain from killing children?

Bad Parenting for sure.

I mean it isn't as if they've had decades to learn different...

[Squinch]

86. Killing them with sniper fire no less.

[7962]

105. Its all part of the plan. And its working based on many of the comments here.

And remember, Hamas told the civilians that that area was not going to be guarded. Inviting trouble.

[MFM008]

44. Ok heres the deal.

Corrupt as hell politicians of ANY religion who are morally bankrupt like distractions of any sort.
We have one here in the USA for example.
Ordering troops armed with American weapons to shoot kids is a third world tyrannical, dictatorial thing in all countries.
The WORLD has a tendency to call them war criminals.
Muslims, Christian's, Jews, Hindus etc. And come together to condem such people.
They usually come to a bad end.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Why should you? Should be allowed to speak your mind on this subject.

[disillusioned73]

48. K&R..

sickening stuff.. why do we( as a nation) support such atrocities? Our continued support of Saudi Arabia is also a blight/stain that can't be justified..

I miss the anti-war left...

[oberliner]

49. Say how you feel

[BSdetect]

52. I had a post deleted for criticizing a dem leader.

Sorry dear leader.

[7962]

107. I had a post deleted that only contained numerical facts!

Its like getting a delete for saying its raining.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. You might get a "hide" if you claim that all Jews are murderers, ...

... that Judaism is a religion that advocates the slaughter of all non-Jews, or even hint that the reason a soldier shot a protester is because he is Jewish.

That seems to be the rule when Islam is involved, so it probably applies equally.

Disclaimer: None of the above should be construed as an indication of how I feel about the shootings.

[Duppers]

104. Jewish people are as divided as Americans. See..

Article in Israeli newspaper Haaretz
yesterday:

Analysis A Predictable Bloodbath in Gaza: Israel Did Not Lift a Finger to Prevent Lethal Clashes
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east-news/.premium-a-predictable-disaster-in-gaza-israel-did-nothing-to-prevent-clashes-1.6091797

[dembotoz]

58. i sense your apprehension...just notified i am in facebook jail again.....

same topic

i was called a terrorist
i called him stupid...and i am in jail

[Ferrets are Cool]

59. It's evil, pure evil. And our bloody hands (American) are all over it.

I am sickened thinking about all the children armed soldiers have killed. Not just these.

[jrthin]

60. Me too. NT

[sinkingfeeling]

62. Me too.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. No - I don't think it is against TOS

You would be talking about Netanyahu and the soldiers - not the innocent people on either side of that conflict.

I don't tolerate Anti-Semitism - but I'm very much against Netanyahu. I have as much respect for BN as I do 45/140. Only difference is I assign humanity to Netanyahu - I don't to 45.

[NCTraveler]

69. Pick your words.

You seem to be on solid ground.

[whathehell]

71. Israeli soldiers are gunning down unarmed demonstrators?

Doesn't this normally constitute a CRISIS for a democracy? Doesn't it normally generate a global outcry?

This is reminiscent of Kent State and Northern Ireland's Bloody Sunday.

[oberliner]

118. Nothing that you have written here is accurate

[erronis]

124. It was a short post that you are responding to. What part was inaccurate?

In a conflict such as this one there are innocent bystanders that are hurt/killed. That is the definition of terrorism.

The Palestinians and the Israelis have engaged in it over many years. The largest terrorist actions have been against the poorer and disenfranchised populations. Just like the Europeans and the US does against smaller countries.

It's a pattern that is based on might vs. right. And it totally degrades the value of human life.

[oberliner]

138. Every part

Top to bottom.

1. Israeli soldiers are gunning down unarmed demonstrators

2. Doesn't this normally constitute a CRISIS for a democracy?

3. Doesn't it normally generate a global outcry?

4. This is reminiscent of Kent State and Northern Ireland's Bloody Sunday.

Also, innocent bystanders being killed is not the definition of terrorism.

[whathehell]

135. Enlighten us..

[Iggo]

75. They knew this would happen. They did it anyway. And they smiled.

[Mosby]

97. the largest Jewish group in Israel are Arab Jews

They make up more that 3.5 million of the population.

Regardless, genetic science has proven that "white" European Jews are semites, just like the Jews of the Middle East, in fact they share a lot of genetic material with Kurds and Persians, thanks to the babalonian exile.

Moreover, Jews ancestral homeland is Israel, Judea and Samaria, they have EVERY right to live in their homeland, just like every other indigenous group. Your suggestion of creating a "safe space" in Europe for the Jewish people is no different that early Americans finding "safe spaces" for native Americans.


United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

https://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples.html

[underthematrix]

98. I said pink people are NOT native to the Middle East

Arabs are NOT pink. Europeans are pink.

[hack89]

109. You need to study up on Middle Eastern ethnic groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_Middle_East

[Mosby]

110. you can't go by skin color.

That was my point.

Take a look at Iranians, they aren't exactly brown people.

European Jews are the same, white skin, black hair, brown eyes.

And once again, denying Jewish indigenous rights is bigotry, plain and simple.

Helen Thomas made a similar comment, saying that Jews should go back to Germany and Poland, she was fired for her bigotry.

[cab67]

112. Look at this through the eyes of a Palestinian in 1947.

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The Jewish people settling in the region are coming from Europe (or North America, which is culturally the same thing). They were born in Europe, as were their parents, and their parents before them for many generations. They wear European clothes. They speak European languages. They follow many European customs.

Given that, would you be likely to perceive the influx of Jewish settlers as a homecoming?

It's true that genetic research shows a substantial genetic similarity between "white" Jews and those from the Middle East, it also shows a great deal of admixture, with levels of admixture varying depending on where in Europe they are from. There's a reason most Jews of European descent look like other Europeans. "They're Semites" overlooks a complex and, in my eyes, much more interesting hereditary story.

Israel has been a staunch US ally since its founding. I do believe it serves the critical function of forming a political homeland for Jewish people around the world. Israel can be a very powerful source of peace and stability in the region. I just don't think it's fulfilling that promise at this time.

And for what it's worth -

I also get tired of being accused of anti-Semitism every time I criticize Israel. Judaism is one of the world's great religions, with millions of followers (including my wife and daughter) and a rich legacy of cultural, literary, and intellectual tradition that has given the world much for thousands of years. It is also the most tenacious religion in world history; there hasn't been a century in which someone, somewhere, didn't try to eliminate it somehow. It has survived remarkable persecution and genocide, and it's still here.

Israel, on the other hand, is a nation-state founded in 1947. I've been there previously, and will be returning there at the end of the month. But as with any other nation-state, it makes good decisions and bad decisions. Disagreeing with a decision made by the Israeli government doesn't make me anti-Israeli, just as disagreeing with pretty much anything Trump says or does makes me anti-American.

Sorry if I went beyond the point you were making - this has been churning inside me ever since an acquaintance lambasted me as an anti-Semitic pig for daring to do what most of the Jewish people in my life have done - criticize the Israeli government.

[Xolodno]

84. No. But it could get hidden.

But I suspect you have enough traction now that it won't.

[luc mont]

88. K&R

Good question!

[packman]

93. Israeli is not our friend

We've spent trillions propping them up, spilt blood, and are on their side in their apartheid policy. American policy is too intertwined with Israel.

[luc mont]

99. Israel, Our Worst 'Ally'

and Pakistan ain't much better

[alarimer]

94. If you are, then I will be too.

This is a monstrous act, by monstrous administration (both US and Israel).

Carter was right, calling it apartheid. That's what has happened. And we are despicable for supporting them without question.

[Red Oak]

100. Why would you be banned for speaking your opinion plainly?

This is a horrible response by Israeli forces to a protest that was predictable.

Why use a military-like response to the protest? Where were the riot control tactics? Why kill over 60 people and wound thousands?

I do not support this action and will make sure to let my government representatives know it. Those that support this kind of action will not get my vote. It sickens me to think that the US tax dollars that I provided likely paid for the weapons used to kill these human beings.

[LanternWaste]

111. Many take exception to the slaughter of innocent children...

Many take exception to the slaughter of innocent children... regardless of who caused their deaths.

It's very politically convenient wholly, completely and absolutely ignore the children dying in Myanmar. The children dying in South Sudan. The children dying in Syria. These children dying in so many other places (and in numbers far greater than 1300) aren't effective branding for our self-righteousness.



"My gawd (sic)", indeed.

[Liberalhammer]

113. You will be called antisemetic and a bigot

For any opinion not deemed acceptable.

[seta1950]

115. Hi

I’ll say how I feel it’s criminal that’s what it is ,to kill unarmed civilians many of them children. Enough!

[Skidmore]

117. I just know that I'm sick of the world being ripped apart

over a Bronze Age myth retold and proselytized as history in a collection of writings for political purposes over the centuries. Why these religions are given endless passes to shred humanity is beyond me.

[marble falls]

120. The sadder thing is to attempt to stop this heartache, another bronze age religion would probably...

step in.

[elocs]

119. DU is like the Hotel California...you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave.

Your account could be frozen and you could be kept from posting, but you will be still on the rolls as a DU member for advertising so they can brag about the number of members.
So once a DU member, always a DU member...you can never escape.

[ananda]

121. I won't say how horrible I feel about it either!

[NewEnglandAutumn]

123. I was banned from twitter for saying this

Dianne Schuman
@SiO2_Studio
@CBSNews If my child were a student there I would love to meet the pResident...and punch him in the nose.
3:38 PM - 15 Feb 2018

Yet the POTUS who actually bullies and threatens people on the same site is not. The power of people has been stolen by the 1% and we are not even allowed to talk about our frustration or feelings.

[Honeycombe8]

125. There is a difference. Threat of physical violence against the POTUS is different...

from him insulting & calling people names. You would've been fine if you called him a disgusting name.

[NastyRiffraff]

127. I think all decent people know how you feel

You probably won't be banned (don't bet on it, though). Your post could be hidden, however. Sad but true.

[doxyluv13]

130. Hasbara is very strong on DU, so maybe

The Israeli Government trains propagandists to carry their line. Some are actually paid. I can't prove that some of the more stridently Pro-Israel poster on DU and Hasbarists or paid but the peddle the same kind of hate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara_Fellowships

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel

[oberliner]

136. No, it's not

BDS is strong though.

[Liberalhammer]

131. Police in this country murder unarmed civilians and most of us condemn it

I see no difference between state sponsored murder here to what is happening in Israel.

Situational principles should be avoided.

[blkyank1]

137. Not every Police shooting of ....

An unarmed civilian is a murder. A by "most of us condemn it" You must mean DU users because otherwise, you would have
thousands of cops doing time and anarchy on the streets because no cop is going say "boo" to anybody.

[zentrum]

144. Not going to say either. But I'm

…sure thinking it.

[Amaryllis]

145. My Jewish friends are feeling sick over this as well. Two are Israeli. Granted, they are

progressives...I think it's like how (hopefully many) foreigners know that a great many Americans feel sick over what T is doing not only to the us but to the whole world.

[CaptainTruth]

146. No, I hope not. nt

[AdamGG]

147. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is an unnecessary, idiotic provocation

Nothing is gained by this. Trump has given away a huge negotiating tool for mideast peace, which should be used to get a concession from the Israelis on halting West Bank settlements.

And, there are only costs to doing this, no benefits. One of the best things the US can do to help Israel is to be seen by all parties as a fair, impartial negotiator. The peace deal that Carter brokered between Begin and Sadat has lasted for 40 years. Trump has thrown away our ability to act in that role, which is a disservice to Israel, in the long run.