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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:46 PM May 2018

The Navy's Brand New Aircraft Carrier Has (Yet Another) Major Problem

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-navys-brand-new-aircraft-carrier-has-yet-another-major-26044

Brand-new Navy aircraft carrier and floating catastrophe USS Gerald R. Ford was forced to return to Naval Station Norfolk in Virginia after encountering issues with its propulsion train, Navy Times reports — the second critical failure in the propulsion system to roil the next-generation supercarrier, after a previously undisclosed failure was initially discovered months ago.

-The engines don’t work. Well, sort of: According to Navy Times, problems “reside in the mechanical components associated in turning steam created by the nuclear plant into spinning screws that power the ship through the water,” although Naval Sea Systems Command spokesman Bill Couch asserted that the new problem was different from an earlier problem identified by the crew in January and publicly disclosed this month. NAVSEA told Bloomberg that shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls identified the issue as a “manufacturing defect” rather than an overall design flaw.

This is what testing is supposed to accomplish. Sure, the headlines sound bad, but naval warfare reporter Chris Cavas rightfully points out that these errors turn up all the time in pre-service shakedown; indeed, the Associated Press notes that the Ford was expected to steam to the Newport News in July to fix any existing technical issues, of which there are many.“Ford has been tasked with conducting critical test and evaluation operations that identify construction and design issues,” NAVSEA spokesman Colleen O’Rourke told Navy Times. “As a continuation of that testing and evaluation process, Ford got underway to conduct an independent steaming event that would allow the ship and its crew to continue testing its systems and procedures.”

-Yet another issue… News of the Ford’s propulsion issues comes months after an intensive assessment, conducted by the Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation and published in January, revealed a slew of technical problems plaguing the Pentagon’s first new carrier design in nearly four decades. Those problems included “poor or unknown reliability” among critical systems and, most embarrassingly, inconsistencies with that brand-new “digital” Electromagnetic Aircraft Launching System (EMALS) that President Donald Trump railed against last year.

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The Navy's Brand New Aircraft Carrier Has (Yet Another) Major Problem (Original Post) jpak May 2018 OP
Let's build five more of them! gratuitous May 2018 #1
+1, at this point they are work programs for red States seeing uponit7771 May 2018 #8
Not enough hamsters. lpbk2713 May 2018 #2
The ship is just pissed about its name Cyrano May 2018 #3
It's not like they are struggling with new-fangled technology HopeAgain May 2018 #4
This a brand new propulsion system hack89 May 2018 #6
This does not sound like a catastrophic problem VMA131Marine May 2018 #5
A Chinese anti ship missile cost 1 million, 50 of them at this ship destroys 1 billion uponit7771 May 2018 #7
Well thank goodness our Aircraft Carriers are equiped with missile defense systems that do work. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2018 #12
Not for 50 missiles at one time uponit7771 Jun 2018 #15
That's why they are screened by destroyers and cruisers (and subs) jpak Jun 2018 #16
Quote from the last decent GOP president workinclasszero May 2018 #9
That was from a time when (R)s dared to speak for the people. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #10
Yeah it's hard to believe that was a Republican workinclasszero Jun 2018 #13
Ike? BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #11
Sure was workinclasszero Jun 2018 #14

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Let's build five more of them!
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:50 PM
May 2018

It's not like we have anything else to blow a few gazillion dollars on. Why not have these floating fortresses sailing around the planet defending against non-existent threats? They're really big and really sexy! Who cares if we can't feed our own citizens?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. +1, at this point they are work programs for red States seeing
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:39 PM
May 2018

...an anti-ship missile is $1 million and a Chinese can lob 50 of them at this ship at one time.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
4. It's not like they are struggling with new-fangled technology
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:04 PM
May 2018

They have been working with steam turning screws since the earliest steamships. Our defense dollar at work! I'm sure the contractors get paid regardless of the screw-ups.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. This a brand new propulsion system
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:16 PM
May 2018

new reactor, new control systems, new electrical generation systems, new everything.

It is in fact new-fangled technology.

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
5. This does not sound like a catastrophic problem
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:08 PM
May 2018

a design defect would certainly be more serious.

While these are expensive ships, they don't cost that much more than the preceding Nimitz class when you look at them in 2018 dollars ($9.36B per unit for Nimitz vs $12.998B for Ford). Like the Nimitz class before it, these ships are designed for a 50-year life and the first of the Nimitz-class is approaching that threshold (commissioned in 1975). The last Nimitz built was the George HW Bush, commissioned in 2009 so the costs and construction of the new ships can be drawn out over a long period of time as the older ships reach the end of their useful lives. The cost of decommissioning a Nimitz-class carrier is estimated to be up to $900M to recycle the ship and its reactor.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
7. A Chinese anti ship missile cost 1 million, 50 of them at this ship destroys 1 billion
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:36 PM
May 2018

... of machine.

The MIC is now a work program 4 red States

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
12. Well thank goodness our Aircraft Carriers are equiped with missile defense systems that do work.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jun 2018

That technology has been around about 40 years and it works very well.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. Quote from the last decent GOP president
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:47 PM
May 2018

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
10. That was from a time when (R)s dared to speak for the people.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jun 2018



Instead of big business.

So long ago and far away.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. Yeah it's hard to believe that was a Republican
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jun 2018

They actually gave a shit about the country and people that work for a living.

Long ago and far away indeed.

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