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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:22 PM Jan 2012

A good thing: Corn-ethanol subsidies are going to expire this year

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/12/subsidies-end

NEW YEAR'S EVE seems like a good time to reflect on deep questions that are utterly critical to human understanding but aren't likely to actually lead anywhere. So it is in a mood of profound gratitude, wonder and awe that I read Brad Plumer's reminder http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/can-ethanol-survive-a-hostile-political-climate/2011/12/30/gIQA1dJrQP_blog.html that corn-ethanol subsidies are going to expire this year, and that no one is defending them. This confounds my comprehension and leads me to realise that I understand nothing at all about the single most important question in human politics: how and why large numbers of people sometimes change their minds about things.

Three years ago, corn-ethanol subsidies appeared to be one of those common things in politics, an indefensible policy that was completely sacrosanct. It had, as many such policies do, a fiercely committed natural consistency, corn farmers, who enjoy a somewhat privileged political position due to their all-Americanness and the importance of the Iowa presidential caucuses. Corn ethanol is environmentally damaging; it puts more carbon emissions http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-12/uoia-rcw120208.php into the atmosphere over the course of its production and consumption cycle than it takes out, and it uses up cropland that would otherwise be producing food for human or animal consumption. But this point was generally too complicated for environmentalists to make to the general public. And while conservatives are usually theoretically opposed to subsidies, in practice they've either actively backed them for carbon fuel industries, or never done anything to stop them. It just seemed as though corn-ethanol subsidies were the kind of policy that wonks all agree is terrible but that continues forever because of political realities.

Sometime in the past three years this all changed. The rise of the tea-party movement forced conservative politicians to take principled opposition to subsidies far more seriously. The budget-cutting frenzy in Washington made the subsidies a target. And the strange high-beta situation of Midwestern farmers, who are enjoying high corn prices and rising land prices while the rest of the country is seeing stagnant income and declining real-estate values, has muted their fervour for subsidies too. The speed with which this has happened puts me in mind of the country's startling attitude shift on gay marriage. I have absolutely no idea how things like this come to pass, and I don't think anyone could hope to predict them. But I think it serves as a somewhat hopeful close to a mostly horrible year to observe that in politics, solutions to problems often seem to be completely impossible, until all of a sudden they're not.


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One well-deserved blow against big-agra and a horrible energy source (corn ethanol has a net negative energy return vs. energy invested http://www.springerlink.com/content/r1552355771656v0/)
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A good thing: Corn-ethanol subsidies are going to expire this year (Original Post) stockholmer Jan 2012 OP
Any Bets That BeaufortPenguin Jan 2012 #1
I hope you heard Barney Frank on LOD tonight. tabatha Jan 2012 #3
No BeaufortPenguin Jan 2012 #8
Already EXPIRED. Iowa is in the midst of a Real Estate boom. Farming is better than ever. CarmanK Jan 2012 #2
and corn prices have tripled in the last 30 years Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #4
And yet, the EPA has increased the mandated percentage of corn ethanol in our fuel mix. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #5
Ethanol, what a great fuckin idea... russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #6
The EPA mandates that it be used. This has not changed Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #9
mean while we just build more houses on farm land hankthecrank Jan 2012 #7
The ethanol content in our current gasoline far exceeds the amount Marie Marie Jan 2012 #10

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
5. And yet, the EPA has increased the mandated percentage of corn ethanol in our fuel mix.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:59 PM
Jan 2012

(And it is a dirty fuel, at that.) So, the corn ethanol producers will simply raise their prices to refineries to make up for their $6 billion plus loss. Ultimately, we'll still be paying for it.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. The EPA mandates that it be used. This has not changed
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jan 2012

and, in fact, the EPA raised the percentage. Thus the $6 billion that the ethanol industry loss through subsidies, they will recoup through raising prices. Its no skin off their teeth. They have a mandated market no matter what they charge.

hankthecrank

(653 posts)
7. mean while we just build more houses on farm land
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:12 AM
Jan 2012

some of the best land just taken over for houses (bigger than barns)

some of the best land built up for golf courses

some of the best land just wasted

see if you can bring them back after the topsoil has been hauled away.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
10. The ethanol content in our current gasoline far exceeds the amount
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jan 2012

that is claimed. Talk to your auto mechanic about how it is messing up the engines in our vehicles. This is a problem that is going to get worse and cost us a lot more in repair bills. Ethanol is not the solution to our energy woes in so many ways, especially environmentally.

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