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NanceGreggs

(27,819 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:27 PM Jun 2018

Dead to Me

If you’re a Trump supporter, you are dead to me. I do not want to see you, hear from you, or even acknowledge your existence.

I do not recognize you as a fellow citizen. In fact, I do not recognize you as a fellow human being.

There are children – terrified, traumatized, innocent children – who are locked in cages right now, crying for their parents. YOU put them there.

There are parents suffering the emotional torture of not knowing where their children are, or how they are being treated. YOU are inflicting that torture.

The only thing that gives me joy right now is knowing that YOU are about to suffer. Your “pResident” and his spineless Republican enablers are planning massive cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security – cuts they say are necessary in order to pay for the massive tax cuts they just gave the wealthiest people in the country.

I’d love to be there when you realize that your social security check has been whittled down to nothing, or when you can’t afford the medicine you need to stay alive. I’d be more than happy to remind you that YOU are getting exactly what you voted for – and what you deserve. Maybe you can contact your Trump-loving Republican reps – the millionaires who actually got those massive tax cuts – and listen to them laugh at your misery as they ignore your pleas for help.

And you know what? I’ll be laughing right along with them – because you’re already dead to me anyway, so why should I give a fuck if your existence ends in poverty, pain and utter despair?

If you’re a Trump supporter, you are responsible for the suffering of every child now held in a cage, every citizen who is facing bankruptcy due to medical bills they can’t afford, every hard-working American who is now responsible for paying off the debt your “pResident” and his party created to enrich themselves while you got the crumbs off their table.

I used to feel sorry for you because your own abject stupidity had blinded you to the obvious fact that you’ve been had.

But seeing children locked in cages, crying for their mothers and their fathers, put a quick end to any sympathy I may have felt for YOU, the people responsible for their fear, their suffering, their endless tears.

At this point, the only interaction with a Trump supporter I would welcome is an invitation to their funeral – an event I would happily attend in a red sequined dress, a festive feather-strewn hat, and a bag full of fireworks to mark the joyous occasion of their removal from our midst.

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Dead to Me (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jun 2018 OP
Nance-I agree Gothmog Jun 2018 #1
Lewandowski is a repulsive scumbag. I saw that video and screamed at the television. George II Jun 2018 #13
As Rachel said Jakes Progress Jun 2018 #20
There's a little farm in Southern NH Mopar151 Jun 2018 #83
Corey is a low life degenerate Gothmog Jun 2018 #99
They were dead to me long ago. People failed to listen to the warning. We were crackpots. olegramps Jun 2018 #84
They made it possible dalton99a Jun 2018 #2
Trump supporters want this and these assholes/subhumans like this Gothmog Jun 2018 #3
These are very sick bastards bdamomma Jun 2018 #8
I want to see them all in a row, ropes around their ankles, upside-down. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #61
No Trump supporters, sympathizers, collaborators, enablers C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #4
Republicans cooldude Jun 2018 #69
Maybe a little radical but it's understandable RoadRunner Jun 2018 #5
Sorry, it's not "a little radical"................ MyOwnPeace Jun 2018 #70
I have so far defriended and blocked three family liberalhistorian Jun 2018 #6
I cut off all contact ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #19
Dumbass to English dictionaries Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #41
Where can I get one? lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #62
Like you, I'm reduced to only liking photos one of my sisters posts. She is a Jill Stein, anti-vax Neema Jun 2018 #74
I'm so sorry renate Jun 2018 #44
They can all eat shit and die superpatriotman Jun 2018 #7
Right there with you Nance - hope they fuckin' DIE. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #9
I removed all of them from life and facebook soon after election AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #10
"Born miserable, and work at it every day!" Mopar151 Jun 2018 #103
Your Post Was Right On Target, I feel exactly the same way linnknee Jun 2018 #11
I love you, Nance Greggs...sincerely. You are a national treasure. Glorfindel Jun 2018 #12
I agree leftofcool Jun 2018 #14
I'm worse than that Woodycall Jun 2018 #15
And can you imagine what they'd do to them if they COULD! sandensea Jun 2018 #16
K&R... spanone Jun 2018 #17
A National Nightmare lillypaddle Jun 2018 #18
If you are a Trump supporter, you can rest assure that you are hated world wide wally Jun 2018 #21
One of my daughters just discovered how disgusting her uncle really is ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #22
And Fox and Limbaugh did that. Twisted his mind. EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #25
In this case, he was twisted way before Fox news ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #29
Water seeking its own level lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #63
I have a family member who is a trump supporter Gothmog Jun 2018 #98
exactly what I was thinking KT2000 Jun 2018 #23
And you're a sucker who is hurting yourself. EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #24
Hear, Hear!!! I could not agree more!!! Moostache Jun 2018 #26
If they're still a Trump supporter at this point TheRealNorth Jun 2018 #27
Thank You Nance DDySiegs Jun 2018 #28
They already were.. now they're Deader. Cha Jun 2018 #30
We shall overcome. Still! czarjak Jun 2018 #31
Thank you Nance kimbutgar Jun 2018 #32
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #33
I'm down in Belize at the moment MontanaMama Jun 2018 #34
exactly, this is a difference i see with support from some other republicans JI7 Jun 2018 #37
Not the father but MontanaMama Jun 2018 #39
Trump is only the head of the snake rkleinberger Jun 2018 #85
He should be taken to a rough part of Belize City and dropped off and left. roamer65 Jun 2018 #38
I Feel the Same Way Leith Jun 2018 #35
I agree. ..I agree. .. But I hate this...i Mazeltov Cocktail Jun 2018 #36
I know. MontanaMama Jun 2018 #40
Thank You alwaysinasnit Jun 2018 #42
My brother's a Trumpster - an asshole who is supporting sadism and cruelty. Don't miss him at all. AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #45
Make Hollandaise sauce in blender: To make blender hollandaise... uppityperson Jun 2018 #46
She's gone - again! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2018 #47
I've been missing her, am not sure if I missed a step in the recipe uppityperson Jun 2018 #48
It was a team effort, this one wasn't subtle Rhiannon12866 Jun 2018 #49
I really miss being able to see the banned posts hueymahl Jun 2018 #81
Same here Gothmog Jun 2018 #100
Dash of cayenne pepper. B2G Jun 2018 #93
I completely understand where you are coming from. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2018 #50
+100,000,000 MagickMuffin Jun 2018 #57
Agreed. Snackshack Jun 2018 #78
Snackshack, you are spot on. We can loathe Trump and his supporters without letting them provoke us Prof.Higgins Jun 2018 #96
Agree 100% TEB Jun 2018 #51
K&R ck4829 Jun 2018 #52
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2018 #53
It isn't just the over 65 crowd DarleenMB Jun 2018 #54
This. area51 Jun 2018 #72
A lot of people are going to suffer. NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #94
Right with you coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #55
Nance I was just thinking of posting something similar on FB librechik Jun 2018 #56
Just thinking The Wizard Jun 2018 #58
I left my local bar because of Trumpists there NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #59
You're too kind to the Trumpanzees. They deserve far worse. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #60
Brava, Nance. I feel the exact same way. Texin Jun 2018 #64
k and r, exactly. niyad Jun 2018 #65
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #66
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jun 2018 #68
Yes and no Juliusseizure Jun 2018 #67
They voted for this sadism and chaos. LudwigPastorius Jun 2018 #71
This is not the way progress has been made in the recent past. It will not be the way JCanete Jun 2018 #73
It won't work. rkleinberger Jun 2018 #87
but you can only be suggesting that its all over already. What is the alternative? nt JCanete Jun 2018 #89
thank you for proposing the way of compassion bedazzled Jun 2018 #104
k&r BSdetect Jun 2018 #75
K & RRRRRRRR JustinBulletin Jun 2018 #76
only one disagreement DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #77
You have written the words Desert grandma Jun 2018 #79
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2018 #80
I'm with you Politicub Jun 2018 #82
THANK YOU. BigDemVoter Jun 2018 #86
Nance-I agree also... BlueJac Jun 2018 #88
I'm struggling with this issue. Some of my family are Trumpers. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #90
But they're taking everyone down with them. I don't deserve what's about to happen. OMGWTF Jun 2018 #91
What's even more ironic is that they accuse the other side of being Satanic pedophiles. Initech Jun 2018 #92
We've put up with a lot of shit from the republicans over the years. Initech Jun 2018 #95
K&R Gothmog Jun 2018 #97
Right-effin' on, Nance! VOX Jun 2018 #101
For those accustomed to "mealy-mouth", this is called "honesty". Thanks, Nance. nt Atticus Jun 2018 #102
This makes me smile Gothmog Jun 2018 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #106
you're about to be shown the door tenderfoot Sep 2018 #107

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
1. Nance-I agree
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jun 2018

I am so upset that it is not even funny. Corey Lewndaowski laughed at the pain being suffered by these parent. This is all a big joke to these asshole

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
20. As Rachel said
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jun 2018

the problem is that they love it when you scream. There are dregs (not deplorables) sitting in bars now giggling that you are so upset. These subhuman life forms infest our country with their soulless racism and hatred. They are the epitome of shit in human form.

Mopar151

(10,000 posts)
83. There's a little farm in Southern NH
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jun 2018

Where we raise artisanal RW scum. It's so successful that other RW scum move here for the fellowship.

bdamomma

(63,923 posts)
8. These are very sick bastards
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jun 2018

Esp, Bannon, Trump and Miller I would call them violators of humanity. This is our rallying cry, cause this will not stop unless we scream very loudly about this.

Stephen Miller you will pay for your sins along with your other thugs.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
61. I want to see them all in a row, ropes around their ankles, upside-down.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jun 2018

And being used as a public urinal.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
4. No Trump supporters, sympathizers, collaborators, enablers
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:36 PM
Jun 2018

For me, it'll be a personal boycott on all Trump people and related things. That includes everything Republican. As much as I can, I will not intentionally buy Republican. I will not hire Republicans. I will not help Republicans. All you Trumpist assholes can go fuck yourselves and if there is justice, wallow in bankruptcy, just like your dear leader. How dare you harm babies and their families. How dare you.

RoadRunner

(4,495 posts)
5. Maybe a little radical but it's understandable
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jun 2018

I have to leave my little island of sanity in New Mexico tomorrow to visit my Trump worshipping family way down in Texas. I’ve been considering telling them pretty much the same thing. Trump's love of breaking up families may very well extend to mine.

MyOwnPeace

(16,940 posts)
70. Sorry, it's not "a little radical"................
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jun 2018

Tearing apart a family in dire straights - looking for a chance of hope and a future - having a child/children taken from them and NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM - THAT is a "little radical."

I think I know what you meant - but we have crossed the line in the sand. AMERICA DOES NOT DESTROY FAMILIES!!!!!!!

We were founded on the belief of hope and dreams - and we (OK, not those of us here at DU, but "we" as the controlling leaders) are reaching into the hearts and minds of these people and destroying their dreams, AND their every-day existence!!!!!!!!

Imagine if you do continue your visit to your "Trump-loving" family and suddenly you're pulled over, taken out of your car, and sent off to who knows where. Do you think THAT is a little radical?

I'm sorry if I'm hitting too hard. I believe you mean well and you're thousands of miles ahead of any of "them!"

The time for action is now - it is not time to "tone down" or "hold back!"

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
6. I have so far defriended and blocked three family
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jun 2018

members, both on social media and my phone, who claim the mantle of religion and morality and who proudly wear the label "pro-life", but who not only have enthusiastically supported Agent Orange from day one, but who now have no problem with this monstrous travesty while still going on and on about family, morality and pro-life.

They are not distant family members, either, and we were once close so it's hard. But I don't recognize them anymore and they have no humanity right now as far as I'm concerned. Their support for this horrendous action and complete lack of concern for those affected was the final straw. I don't give a shit if I get flack from other family, either (my family on both sides is all over the place politically and religiously). For those who are most likely to give shit, I've been taking shit from them for years, so fuck it.

NanceGreggs

(27,819 posts)
19. I cut off all contact ...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:05 PM
Jun 2018

... with one of my half-sisters after she joyously announced that she was ecstatic over Trump's election. Not a great loss - she's a typical dumbass bitch who makes fun of immigrants who "can't speak English" despite the fact that her own grasp of the language (having been born and raised in the US) is so poor, I used to have to read her emails using a Dumbass-to-English dictionary.

One of my other sisters is a Trumpette - my communication with her is now restricted to "liking" her FaceBook photos of her children and grandchildren. Other than that, we do not speak at all.

It's a terrible situation for all of us who have been forced to choose between family and our core principles. I, too, was once close to this sister who is now, for all intents and purposes, dead to me.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
74. Like you, I'm reduced to only liking photos one of my sisters posts. She is a Jill Stein, anti-vax
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jun 2018

nutter, which is almost as bad as being a 45 supporter. We haven't been close for a while because she married the most insufferable jackass and I can't stand to be around him. But the election ended any desire I have to be more than FB connected along with the occasional get-together of the whole family. She and I don't interact one on one.

The really annoying part is that she's liking everything I post with the latest outrage perpetrated by 45. Every time she does I want to scream THIS IS PARTIALLY YOUR FAULT, YOU DON'T GET TO BE OUTRAGED NOW.

renate

(13,776 posts)
44. I'm so sorry
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:38 AM
Jun 2018

I'm really fortunate in that my family and even my extended family are all intelligent and sane, so with one exception there are no Trump voters in our midst.

It's just so awful that the president of the United States of America, for heaven's sake, whom none of us will ever meet (thank goodness), is so incredibly divisive that families are being driven apart by him. Sure, this happened with Obama, but it wasn't because of Obama, who was accused of doing bad things but never actually did them. Trump is literally driving our country into a ditch while his supporters cheer him on, because they're so stupid.

On the other hand, as you said, they have no humanity right now, so fuck it.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
10. I removed all of them from life and facebook soon after election
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:44 PM
Jun 2018

I have to work with some but we never discuss politics, strictly work. Those people are immoral and not happy, they want everyone to be unhappy too.

Mopar151

(10,000 posts)
103. "Born miserable, and work at it every day!"
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:49 PM
Jun 2018

So the "old timer" said, back when Republican's were not (all) bad people!

linnknee

(52 posts)
11. Your Post Was Right On Target, I feel exactly the same way
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jun 2018

But now I say everything exactly as you did but I LOVE TO ADD:


YOU GOT WHAT YOU PRAYED FOR

Glorfindel

(9,736 posts)
12. I love you, Nance Greggs...sincerely. You are a national treasure.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jun 2018

And you always express what I'm feeling much better than I ever could.

Woodycall

(259 posts)
15. I'm worse than that
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jun 2018

I would shave the heads of any female that supported this Nazi shit an tattoo the foreheads of every man that supported this with the word "Trump" I am ready to hit the fucking streets! Are you?

sandensea

(21,674 posts)
16. And can you imagine what they'd do to them if they COULD!
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:59 PM
Jun 2018

Same goes for at least half of Cheeto's deplorables.

There's so much racial hatred in most of today's Republicans, I guess this was inevitable. And those that aren't, mostly go along with it.

lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
18. A National Nightmare
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:03 PM
Jun 2018

Dear god. Will repugs finally step forward and DO something?? Not holding my breath.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
22. One of my daughters just discovered how disgusting her uncle really is
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jun 2018

We tried to tell her. She’s says “he’s actually joyous” about the child kidnapping. She didn’t quite understand why we had cut him out of our lives. She does now.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
29. In this case, he was twisted way before Fox news
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:53 PM
Jun 2018

He’s a racist and a bigot and a sexist. He’s always been a piece of shit. He naturally gravitated toward Trump, like water seeking its own level.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
24. And you're a sucker who is hurting yourself.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:37 PM
Jun 2018

If you're a Trump supporter, you're a sucker.
You'll be paying back that $3 TRILLION tax cut for the rest of your life.
Suckers.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
26. Hear, Hear!!! I could not agree more!!!
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jun 2018

Trump supporters, you OWN this monstrosity lock, stock and barrel.

He is you and you are he, forever more....

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
27. If they're still a Trump supporter at this point
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jun 2018

I simply don't care what they think or what their opinion is. Talking to them about politics is simply a waste of time because no amount of truth or facts matter to them.

My time is better spent on people who don't vote because they've been misled to believe "they are all the same"

DDySiegs

(253 posts)
28. Thank You Nance
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:51 PM
Jun 2018

I realize there may be some who will say that your wonderful rant will in some small way exacerbate the division and polarization in the country. Such people would just be continuing in the long and disgusting habit of being “even handed”, of taking the ridiculously and outrageous false position that “both sides are equally to blame” for the parlous state of debate in this country, and of being gutless. I believe you are right in the money. The Trump lovers, in fact, are completely at fault for the disaster occuring now in this country and and completely deserve the brilliant shaming that you visited on them. Again, thank you!

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
34. I'm down in Belize at the moment
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:47 AM
Jun 2018

As a parent chaperone of 30 kids ranging in age from 13 to 16 for a cultural immersion trip. One of the kids is a tRump humping teen who is quite vocal about his love for all things tRump. He yells MAGA randomly to get people to react. Day one of this trip he was talking loudly about how his idol had successfully disarmed NK of their nukes. I corrected him simply by saying that no - NK had not in fact been disarmed. Ever since then, he will do his best to bait me and other kids, parents and teachers as a sick game. He will sigh when one of us walks by and say “I feel sad for Democrats, I really do. Their life as they know it is over...” among other asshole comments. Tonight we were walking back to the hotel after dark along a very dark street and my sandal caught the edge of a broken cobble stone. I fell hard and scraped up my leg and elbow...this kid was right behind me and he muttered “that’s Democrat karma right there.” And to then he laughed. I didn’t say a word...my 13 year old son helped me up and put his arm in mine in support. Later, back at the hotel my son asked “what is wrong with him? Even if he loves tRump, why can’t he just be a good person?” And that’s when it hit me...they are NOT good people. They are devoid of humanity and empathy. They are a cancer to our nation and civil society. They are lost causes and should be dead to all of us. I’ve got nothing in my heart for them.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
37. exactly, this is a difference i see with support from some other republicans
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:54 AM
Jun 2018

it's not about specific issues and views on them as much as just being assholes and their hatred for others and being able to treat others horribly.

notice he isn't trying to convince people of his view on issues, it's being an asshole. like fucking trump who is a fucking asshole.

do you know anything about his parents ?

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
39. Not the father but
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:05 AM
Jun 2018

his mother is on this trip. She heard me say to her son that no, it was not true that tRump disarmed NK but did not enter into the conversation further other than to tell him that “oh well, people believe different things...” I am fairly confident that this rotten POS apple didn’t fall far from the tree. However, if your a racist asshole wind bag in the first place, why spend the money and the time to come to Belize to be immersed in their proud and diverse culture? Idiots. Can’t wait to be done with them.

rkleinberger

(155 posts)
85. Trump is only the head of the snake
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

Trump is the result of the conservative movement's (and the right-wing conservative religious movement) to move the United States from a democracy to an autocratic theocracy. Why do some many right-wing religious leaders have residences in Russia? Russia is the leader of conservative evangelical Christianity and the right wing religious movement wants to introduce the same here in the United States. They don't care about American democracy. They want Russian style autocracy here in the United States. Therefore, the whole Russian collusion thing is beyond Trump. The goals of the right wing are much more broad. The Progressive movement so far does not have a response to this. I am not sure we can count on the American people as evidenced by so many Trump loving Americans that don't mind being ruled by a fascist or autocrat. The Progressive movement must mount an attack with no sympathy on the right wing, the religious right, Trump supporters, and Fox News especially. To believe that Trump is losing is I think naive. We are in a slow moving coup by Republicans and the religious right with strong Russian ties. I am not sure the mid terms will be enough to stop this. The Democratic Party does not have the guts to fight this.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
38. He should be taken to a rough part of Belize City and dropped off and left.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:01 AM
Jun 2018

Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)

It would be very educational for him. Drop off the MAGAt mother, too.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
35. I Feel the Same Way
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:52 AM
Jun 2018

Now if someone so much as says "give tRump a chance" will get to wait for a moment while I get out the mace. If they want to act like rabid beasts, I will treat them like it.

Mazeltov Cocktail

(569 posts)
36. I agree. ..I agree. .. But I hate this...i
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:54 AM
Jun 2018

I fucking hate this. .. friends and family that I love, I cherish...I don't want to lose them, our lives are so short.
What the fuck guys - of course they are stupid. ..aren't we all stupidly blind at some point.
When tRump is gone... who is going to fill the hole left in my life that is left by those I lost through their own stupidity.
Who is going to be left in my life - for better or for worse - for me to love.
I fucking hate this. ..

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
40. I know.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:07 AM
Jun 2018

I’m sorry. I think we are all losing loved ones in this fight. I honestly question if these people can really love at all.

alwaysinasnit

(5,075 posts)
42. Thank You
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:34 AM
Jun 2018

You've given voice/meaning to the gut churning nausea I have been experiencing as I watch these soul-less bipeds (I can't call them humans).

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
46. Make Hollandaise sauce in blender: To make blender hollandaise...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:53 AM
Jun 2018

Make Hollandaise sauce in blender: To make blender hollandaise, melt 10 Tbsp unsalted butter.

Put 3 egg yolks, a tablespoon of lemon juice, 1/2 teaspoon salt in a blender, blend on medium to medium high speed for 20-30 seconds, until eggs lighten in color.


Rhiannon12866

(206,119 posts)
49. It was a team effort, this one wasn't subtle
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:22 AM
Jun 2018

And you have to give her credit, this one took a lot of work!

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
50. I completely understand where you are coming from.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:37 AM
Jun 2018

And definitely sympathize.

"I do not recognize you as a fellow human being."

But I can't go there. If I allow myself to do that, I fear I would become too much like them. Instead I see them as deeply flawed and broken human beings. Toxic and desperately in need of being neutralized in terms of power and impact. But I just can't go full dehumanization. That's what many of them have done to me. I just can't.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
78. Agreed.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jun 2018

I cannot either. I completely understand the emotion and visceral hatred that prompts a post of this nature. The audio, the images and segments like last nights TRMS have certainly elicited the same emotions from me. Child abuse is a terrible thing and it should make people mad and angry. I hope that the lawsuit/s I read about being filed over this have the ability to bring significant consequences to Trump/Miller/Sessions and all others involved in this. However I cannot say that I would celebrate the funeral and dance on a persons grave. This will end at some point. Trump and his cabinet/admin will be out of office eventually and people who supported him are still going to be co-workers and neighbors and people who I interact with daily.


Nietzsche- “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”

Prof.Higgins

(194 posts)
96. Snackshack, you are spot on. We can loathe Trump and his supporters without letting them provoke us
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jun 2018

into a raging hatred. Cutting off our communications with them (or 'sending them to Coventry" as the British do) will be their worst punishment. This rational response deprives them of our good company, and we don't ever have to listen to their ignorance, bigotry, and hatefulness which they soon will turn against each other for not being Trumpian enough.

We've seen the Jill Steiners turn against the Democratic Party and hand Trump and all the Republican Congress critters their election victories because the other 98% of Progressives didn't agree 100% with every single policy detail that the Jill Steins and the Susan Sarandons turned into purity tests.

Here on DU, we often hold varied viewpoints, but our hearts and minds are united in the knowledge that only the Democratic Party, such as we see in state governments like California's, can fight against and defeat the egregiously greedy, iniquitous, mendacious and heartless policies and politics of Trump, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh, Evangelical theocrats, Koch Bros etc., etc. etc.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
54. It isn't just the over 65 crowd
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:58 AM
Jun 2018

you know. LOTS of voters between 18 and 65 voted for that moron.

We're in our 70's, on Railroad Retirement which has to follow the same rules as SSI. We have Medicare which we pay for. We also have voted Democratic since 1979. so thanks for lumping us in with the idiots who voted for trump. Their pain is going to be ours as well.

area51

(11,923 posts)
72. This.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jun 2018

Not 65 yet, so not getting Medicare or Social Security. The cuts proposed to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security won't just affect the Trump humpers, they'll affect sane/decent people too.

NanceGreggs

(27,819 posts)
94. A lot of people are going to suffer.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jun 2018

But Democratic voters saw it coming - because they know the Republicans ALWAYS try to gut programs that the middle-class rely on.

However, it's going to come as a shock to a lot of Trump voters - who foolishly believed that Trump is a champion of the working stiff, and wouldn't dream of doing anything that would harm them, his loyal, ass-licking base.

Republican voters invariably fall for the same old GOP bullshit - and then act shocked!, time after time, when their own pocketbooks get hit.

You'll notice that the Republicans aren't touting their "massive tax breaks" anymore - because they know the middle-class has now realized that those tax breaks resulted in crumbs for them, and a cash windfall for the wealthy.

I only focused on Medicare, Medicaid and SS because the GOP just announced their plans to gut those programs.

I wasn't "lumping you in" with Trump voters. You obviously didn't vote for the Idiot. I was addressing those who did vote for him, and are about to find out they've been conned - bigly.

coeur_de_lion

(3,684 posts)
55. Right with you
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jun 2018

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Anyone who supports this sick fucking bastard now is useless as a human being. I don’t care if it’s my sister or someone i have known all my life.

Dead to me.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
56. Nance I was just thinking of posting something similar on FB
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jun 2018

I have more Bernie Bros (and sisters) than cons, thank god. But those friends who continued to villify Hillary and whine about what a bad deal Bernie got AFTER THE PRIMARIES, can go to some shithole country and build a sand castle.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
59. I left my local bar because of Trumpists there
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jun 2018

You may laugh, but this is a BIG DEAL. I loved that bar. It's walking distance from my apartment and I've had some good times there. They have great food and a good happy hour. But there are too many Trump supporters there, and they love to intimidate the rest of us. I'll find another bar. I don't want to go to jail because I will inevitably lose it with these assholes.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
60. You're too kind to the Trumpanzees. They deserve far worse.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jun 2018

Just kidding of course. I agree with you and would go further but I am not as evil as they are.

Texin

(2,599 posts)
64. Brava, Nance. I feel the exact same way.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jun 2018

These people get their rocks off on seeing this. With every day that passes, I am more and more horrified by what I'm seeing and hearing from these monsters. I just want to see each and everyone one of them in one gigantic holding pen, with their unspeakable Dear Leader at its center, and watch as a flaming meteor strikes down and obliterates them all. Fuck them to hell. Every one of them, each and every despicable, execrable, miserable fucking asshole is going to hell. These fuckers - many of them at least - wrap themselves in Jesus Christ and believe with miserable, stupid, hollow shit for brains, that they are going to swept up in the Rapture, Maranatha, but I've got news: that flaming meteor bearing down on you all like a heat seeking missile isn't the Rapture. Nope, baby! That flaming rock beading down on your heads is hell itself, and you all are fucking done, or will be soon. Adios assholes. Nobody could deserve it more.

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Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
67. Yes and no
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jun 2018

You speak my raw emotions, but I don’t think hatred of an entire large mass of people is psychologically healthy, or completely fair.

My mother is elderly and an unacknowledged racist and low knowledge voter. I think its the culture she was raised in and she’s easily influenced by friends. She voted for Trump, but when I bring up facts, I see a crisis of conscience. They can’t all be sociopaths statistically. There may be some struggling with their conscience. Many perhaps not.

I don’t apologize for them. They all deserve the negative criticism. I’m
not sure they all deserve the same degree of hate.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
73. This is not the way progress has been made in the recent past. It will not be the way
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jun 2018

progress is made going forward. You could bully and cajole hateful actors into civility if you had the power and the numbers. If you don't, there is no choice but to change hearts and minds. Good luck with an isolationist policy when one of the main problems here IS that these people are already living in their own bubbles of community and reality.

What needs to happen is that those bubbles need to be infiltrated...popped...etc. Oxygen needs to get in. Your methodology will not achieve that. You can't stop seeing others humanity and have a prayer of helping to get them to see the humanity of others. You can't withhold empathy to generate empathy.

People can have a change of heart. We have seen it time and time again. It is the main thrust of how civil rights have been fought for in this nation. We can work to make that happen.

Or hell, maybe it will literally take another Civil War. Such a war is of course, not likely to happen in this day and age, to speak nothing of just how catastrophic one would actually be.

Or do you think we can wait until power is finally wrested from the hands of white men(in particular)...as if that itself could change the dynamic of cruelty that our sociopathic ladders to power foster...

bedazzled

(1,771 posts)
104. thank you for proposing the way of compassion
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:07 PM
Jun 2018

and love. when faced with such deviant behavior it is hard to recognize the buried humanity but it is the only way. concrete steps are necessary, of course but we must never forget that we are all meant to do good. helping to show others the way is best. i appreciate the reminder.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
77. only one disagreement
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jun 2018

as much as I would love to see Trumpkins suffer, those of us on Medicare know that they will be the first fed and first pandered to, at our expense..They really want to see us DEAD.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
79. You have written the words
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:52 PM
Jun 2018

that describe what so many of us feel. I have a daughter and son in law that live in Texas and since the election we have had minimal contact. Mr granddaughter graduated from high school and we received an invitation. Thank goodness we had a very good reason to "unfortunately" decline. My husband was retiring on the very day she was graduating. A retirement party had been planned for him by his coworkers for quite some time. I was grateful that we had an excuse not to go. I love my grandchildren, however, I find it hard to be around my daughter and especially her opinionated republican husband. I certainly do not hate my daughter but until she "wakes up", I am afraid we have very little in common. My husband, thank goodness, has become more and more progressive as time goes on. We have been married for 44 years. His siblings are both RW Republicans. I will not be around them. My husband does not blame me.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
82. I'm with you
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jun 2018

And never again will I listen to the clucking of tongues of the so-called Christians in my family who support Trump and criticize me for being gay.

BigDemVoter

(4,157 posts)
86. THANK YOU.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jun 2018

My sentiments EXACTLY. I have unfriend every one of Pussy Grabber's supporters I can on FB. I have ZERO use for them under ANY circumstance.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
90. I'm struggling with this issue. Some of my family are Trumpers.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:06 PM
Jun 2018

My elderly father, his wife, and my middle aged half brother. All southern dark red Trumpers. Watch only FoxNews, what little they watch the news.

I'm really struggling with this.

Don't expect them to have a realization later that they were wrong. They will not. They will always be in denial. They will go to their graves defending their support of Trump, no matter what happens.

Just like Bushees will go to their graves defending the Bush admin's behavior and statements leading to the Iraq War.

Initech

(100,105 posts)
92. What's even more ironic is that they accuse the other side of being Satanic pedophiles.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jun 2018

Of course irony escapes these dolts.

Initech

(100,105 posts)
95. We've put up with a lot of shit from the republicans over the years.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:14 PM
Jun 2018

But torturing children is where I draw the line. If you support this atrocity, I want nothing to do with you!

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