Il drumpf has lost the churches

[The Blue Flower]

I just got back from an interfaith service in Tallahassee. Local leaders--Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim--all condemned the atrocities at the southern border. All talked about God's emphasis throughout the Bible on treating the stranger among us well. Several said they didn't trust today's executive order, and the crowd applauded. The gathered crowd sang a hymn about Jesus going to Egypt with his family and how his parents stayed with him to keep him safe. Il drumpf might want to be a dictator, but in this country, you don't get there without the churches.

And, yes, I'm being optimistic.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. You're referring to "Mainstream" churches, not southern evangelical ones.

The latter are his base.

[TomSlick]

2. He said Baptists were there. That's about as evangelical as it gets.

The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution condemning the separation of families.

This action - which is not over yet - will cost the Repugnants evangelical votes. Maybe not a majority but some.

[jberryhill]

5. There's a range of Baptists

“Baptist” does not refer to any particular denomination.

The bulk of evangelical Baptist churches (and fundie Baptists) are independent churches which do not operate within a denominational hierarchy.

[TomSlick]

6. No, but all Baptist denominations are evangelical.

My point is that many Baptists- including Southern Baptist - are opposed to governmental child abuse. It has been a really long time that there was a resolution adopted by the Southern Baptist Convention with which I agreed. Even the right-wing wackos that attend the SBC meeting (rational folks have stopped going) could not stomach kidnapping children.

[grantcart]

21. American Baptist Convention is as mainline as other

Protestant Denominations with same sex marriages and gay pastors.

[pnwmom]

12. The Southern Baptist convention includes 50,000 churches and more than 200

"megachurches."

So that's a large group of evangelicals.

[Wednesdays]

7. To the wingnut Christians, theirs is the only true faith and would boycott such an event

Any Baptist going to an "interfaith" anything, is willing to open their mind a bit. That's not a tRump supporter to begin with.

[TomSlick]

9. Exactly!

My point is that not all Baptists - not even all Southern Baptists - are wingnuts. Some of us attend interfaith meetings, recognize that no denomination or religion has all the answers, read the Gospels to mean what they say about welcoming immigrants AND do not support Trump.

[Duppers]

27. All Southern Baptists I know are RW fundies.

Go to most any Baptist church in E Tenn; you'll find them there, even in their big $40 million sanctuaries.



It may just be all relative?

[TomSlick]

28. I agree that we're outnumbered but we're out there.

There are more progressive Southern Baptist congregations across the country. Such congregations tend not to spend nearly that much money on buildings (that's not the priority).

[exboyfil]

26. They have decoupled the

Issue from Trump. If anything they blame the Democrats.

[beachbum bob]

3. Splintering is starting to happen as real people of faith finding harder

With each passing day in accepting anything trump says or do having any goodwill at all.

[AlexSFCA]

4. were they white churhes? if so that's encouraging

[eleny]

8. Optimism helps to keep us going

Never give up. And thanks for posting your experience of today.

[Mr.Bill]

10. There isn't a religious bone in Trump's body.

And the clergy knows it. Any support they give him over a Democrat is strictly about the abortion issue. I doubt his position on this issue is even sincere. He used to be pro choice.

[Lucky Luciano]

14. He was never pro choice.

He was pro I don’t give a shit about anything that doesn’t make me money.

[Mr.Bill]

16. Yes, he was.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

[Lucky Luciano]

19. I know, but he was in the sense that he didn't give a shit.

He certainly never cared about women’s Rights.

[Mr.Bill]

24. He doesn't give a shit about anything

but Donald Trump.

[zentrum]

11. Jesus...

…was an immigrant. A Refugee.

[SCVDem]

13. Dump pissed off the Pope!

That takes some doing.

[mountain grammy]

15. He hasn't lost the evangelicals in our family

But they’re also racists.

[McKim]

17. Here in Oregon a Conservative Church of the Nazarene Helped Our Demo

Many kinds of churches are coming together. In the little town of Sheridan Oregon where we gathered outside a federal prison to protest, we saw that the Church of the Nazarene provided parking and potable toilets. We are coming together as a nation. I sent the pastor a handwritten thank you note. This is something good. This is becoming a trend and this is a watershed indicator.

[Ilsa]

18. Since Southern Baptist churches are independent,

Their minister can proclaim all kinds of dumb shit. Many So Baptist still believe trump was chosen by god for this.

Here is a link to the hymn. Madam silver spurs posted it: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10764779

[MurrayDelph]

20. So far, he's only lost the churches

that actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Most of the megachurches (and wannabes) will follow Trump until it is no longer profitable.

[Garrett78]

22. I suspect any churches that aren't with Trump never were. As for Trump's EO...

...even if it can be trusted (meaning those crossing the border from this point forward will be detained together and not separated), the EO violates established law. It'll take a court or Congress to amend/overrule the existing law.

Anyway, there's plenty of horrifying crap in the Bible. It's a book of contradictions, and fairy tale nonsense.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Where is Mike Pence on this? I really haven't heard him say boo. He needs to be tied to this too.

[Orsino]

25. He signed a piece of paper to make it go away...

...and the media will no doubt help to ease his discomfort.

Most of the churches that strayed will probably get back on board with an agenda of merely being cruel to immigrants, even if fewer of their worshipers are eager to reelect Trump.