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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere's nearly a Nixon '74 level of public support for impeaching Trump
42% of Americans say President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office.Source: CNN, by Z. Byron Wolf
Read it all at: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/impeach-trump-nixon-support-bill-clinton-poll/index.html
choie
(4,111 posts)Post this right now, Yallerdog - I just did a Google search to see if there are any impeach Trump groups that I could join and I only came across one.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"I am not a member of any organized party - I am a Democrat." - W. Rogers, humorist
Links to two major impeachment drives:
https://www.needtoimpeach.com/
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)'Meh' on Democratic Underground.
I don't get it.
choie
(4,111 posts)Dems like Pelosi and Schumer will never support it. Just like they didn't support impeachment of Bush - even if we take Congress back.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Schumer: "We need to get all the facts and then we'll come to conclusions."
Pelosi: "Again, if the facts are there, if the facts are there, then this would have to be bipartisan to go forward."
The political calculation is that the Senate would need to have a fair number of Republicans get on board to remove the Dotard. The White House is working that calculation by smearing the investigation, and giving R's cover.
We are beseeched by Democratic politicians - "Make me!"
Republicans hear us, too. Do you think they really care about immigrant children?
choie
(4,111 posts)If war crimes weren't enough to get them to start impeachment against Bush (impeachment's off the table) why would we think they'll support it if they get back the congress?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)42% now is hitting Nixon polling territory at a comparable time (Harris Poll - 43%).
30% of the time, the 'other' party supports impeachment. That's straight-up partisanship.
Our opportunity rises when we start to get to majority levels!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Impeachment, conviction and removal of that vile POS can't happen otherwise.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)we need evidence that will persuade Republican senators if the House impeaches on that evidence.
If half or more of America says we are persuaded, then THAT becomes a political consideration regarding 'high crimes and misdemeanors.'
Initech
(100,099 posts)And not only that, he acted like a total fucking asshole on top of it with the Melania incident. Really he has to go.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)This isn't remotely 'politics as usual.'
This guy is dismissing and diminishing multiple branches of our government, and taking 'imperial presidency' to unimagined levels.
Impeachment and removal from office. Then try and convict him for treason and conspiracy. Nothing less.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)impeaching him if he pardoned himself, so he's on the verge of higher support than Nixon.
Of course it's disgusting that half wouldn't impeach him over a such a blatant dictator move.
lame54
(35,317 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)as manafort and cohen roll and start tuurning over information, more indictments will come down form the Grand Jury, and support will go back up.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)...it's whether they support impeachment ENOUGH to pressure enough legislators to act. Otherwise, it's a huge mistake to take this survey as an initiative to take action.
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)brooklynite
(94,703 posts)I've learned that reality is a much better framework than emotion and imagination.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Or that he is above the law?
2 out of 10 Democrats don't support impeachment. A good place to start?
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)If you do, name the specific law he's broken, and we can pass it on to Robert Mueller.
One other thing I don't do is engage in "we all know he's guilty" supposition.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)What would Mueller have to do with it?
50 years does not male one infallible. That was made clear here.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)...and certainly not to convict. If you Impeach Trump and fail to convict him, you've done far more damage than doing nothing at all.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There is no factual basis for that. Impeachment can occur for a wide variety of reasons. Mueller isn't some God nor is he the only game in town. That said, I don't see Trump being impeached before his first term is up.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)I said that, absent a report of indictable behavior, there wont be public consensus in support on conviction.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)One's an R, one's a D.
Neither one of them argued against it!
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)It's also not smart to compare political eras. The 1970s was a different time - Nixon was coming off a landslide election where he won 61% of the overall vote. The partisan gap, at least at the presidential level, just wasn't there like it is today - no candidate, I can say without reservation, is going to win 60+% of the overall popular vote nationally in today's climate. What that means is that the partisan divide, while there with Nixon, wasn't as wide as it is today.
Because Democrats and Republicans have so polarized at the national level, these numbers are hyper-partisan. I'd wager most Republicans opposed the impeachment of Nixon - but the gap was made up significantly, most likely, by both Democrats and Independents.
The fact is, in July, 2014, 33% in this same poll, said Obama should be impeached (looking at the actual poll results).
That's not as many as with Trump, but also not significantly different.
But the margins were huge in the partisan gap - Republicans wanted him impeached, Democrats didn't.
More Americans thought Obama, in 2014, should be impeached than Bush in 2006 and Clinton in 1998. What does that tell you? The partisan gap has only grown.
So, how's the partisan gap play into this poll?
77% of Democrats believe Trump should be impeached.
Only 38% of Independents believe Trump should be impeached.
Only 9% of Republicans believe Trump should be impeached.
There's no incentive for the Democratic Party to push impeachment RIGHT NOW because only a majority of Democrats want it done. November is going to be won by those independent voters who oppose impeachment by a total of 56%. The reason the 42% sticks out is similar to the reason the 33% stuck out in 2014 - it's driven entirely by partisan politics. Until more independents, who made up 45% of this poll (Democrats only 30%) shift here, it's a losing issue and will only embolden Trump.
Focus on the wrongdoings and awaiting the Mueller investigation. Then maybe those numbers will shift.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/06/21/rel6f.-.russia.investigation.pdf
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)That ain't the case today.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)There is no hard evidence to go after Trump with at this point.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)feeling. The Vietnam War gave him a bigger edge of people who would go to the mat for him. I think it's worse now. But then, I don't hang out w repubs or watch fn. Just my opinion. fact based on what I remember I guess.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter bc if someones broken the law, their prosecution for it, doesn't rely on public opinion.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Partisanship can get a majority impeachment decision, but swinging 67 senators requires a political will.
That's where we come in!
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)I was told its more like 51. I don't know though.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Today, that would be 67 out of 100.
Not a single Democrat voted to convict Bill Clinton. Majority Republicans crossed over, too.
Initech
(100,099 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)"I really don't care. Do U?" jackets.
Initech
(100,099 posts)Somewhere Jesus is doing this:
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