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Girard442

(6,071 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:51 PM Jun 2018

I can't see how it isn't game over with 5 Trumpies on SCOTUS.

At least at the federal level. Stuff could happen at the state level, maybe. But seriously, what if Trump fires Mueller outright and SCOTUS, in an emergency session, rules 5-4 that that’s just hunky-dory?

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I can't see how it isn't game over with 5 Trumpies on SCOTUS. (Original Post) Girard442 Jun 2018 OP
Game over for you but not for me Iliyah Jun 2018 #1
If the dems don't gain control of at least one chamber of Congress this November, CrispyQ Jun 2018 #2
It's not totally, Roberts has swung for more American policies once or twice uponit7771 Jun 2018 #3
It probably is game over. I'm going to put my personal affairs in order, and exit Still In Wisconsin Jun 2018 #4
What if, what if, what if............ Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2018 #5
Not even close to over. H2O Man Jun 2018 #6
Quit being defeatist mythology Jun 2018 #7
How old are you. Blue_true Jun 2018 #8
Because Supreme Court justices aren't always predictable. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #9
It's never over. That being said I'm seriously considering buying a gun Amishman Jun 2018 #10

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
2. If the dems don't gain control of at least one chamber of Congress this November,
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jun 2018

it will be game over. It might be game over, even if they do.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
4. It probably is game over. I'm going to put my personal affairs in order, and exit
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jun 2018

this mortal plane in a peaceful and painless way. Others are free to do as they please, fight on, whatever. But for the USA? Yeah, it's done. Hell if I'm going to live on in a dystopian Trump-ruled hell.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,574 posts)
5. What if, what if, what if............
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jun 2018

let's first let Kennedy retire, then see how long it takes to replace him.............

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
6. Not even close to over.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jun 2018

Democracy has always been a constant struggle. It always will be, unless we quit.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
7. Quit being defeatist
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jun 2018

It wasn't permanent when the Supreme Court ruled in Drew Scott or Plessey vs Ferguson.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. How old are you.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:09 PM
Jun 2018

There were routinely 6-3 conservative votes in the 80s. Bush I tried for a knockout in the late 80 by appointing Souter, but Souter turned out to be a liberal jurist, so ruling became 5-4 conservative with O'Connor occasionally crossing over. The court pretty much remained 5-4 conservative since, with first O'Connor and Kennedy crossing over. Republican Presidents simply have been more strategic, after the Bush I mistake with Souter, they have appointed young doctrinaire conservatives, while our Presidents appoint based upon expertise.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
9. Because Supreme Court justices aren't always predictable.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:30 PM
Jun 2018

Exhibit A: Earl Warren. Look him up, see how he started out as a conservative and then surprised everybody once he made it to the Supreme Court.

I don't expect that there will be any Earl Warrens, but there could be some surprises.

The fundamental difference between conservative and liberal judges is that the conservatives will tend to take a narrow, literal view of the statute or constitutional provision they are considering, interpreting it without much consideration for social trends or other outside forces. Scalia and his successor, Gorsuch, are fairly extreme examples of this - their judicial philosophy is called "originalism," meaning the Constitution should be interpreted to mean exactly what it meant in 1787, without reference to any changes in society that have occurred since then. As a result many of their decisions are prime examples of modern Scholasticism, very technical, and seemingly divorced from the real world. And because state and federal statues are often drafted to favor business interests, conservative judges' decisions tend to favor business over individuals. Liberal judges tend to take a broader view of what the Constitution was intended to mean, and they are more likely to look at the possible effects their decisions have on individuals. They take the position that the Constitution was intended as a living document that should be interpreted in accordance with current events and contemporary thought.

But this doesn't mean that decisions are always predictable. There will always be surprises. This article is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_leanings_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices The chart at the end suggests that the most conservative judge is Clarence Thomas, who has the worst score in civil rights cases (ruling against plaintiffs in civil rights cases). He's worse than Scalia was. And look at David Souter's stats - he was appointed by Bush I and turned out to be almost as liberal as Breyer and Ginsburg.

It's never game over.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
10. It's never over. That being said I'm seriously considering buying a gun
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jun 2018

Next time my gun nut brother-in-law offers to take me shooting, I think I'll take him up on it and learn what I can. The idea of having a military rifle around suddenly makes sense in case this all falls apart.

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