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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Roe is overturned, what will be the punishment for abortion?
First degree premeditated murder by both the Mother and the Doctor?
So, will they be executed or given life in prison?
If a fetus is declared a person, that punishment would naturally follow, right?
Chew on that, you pro life fuckwads.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,921 posts)by limiting, prohibiting or allowing it. That means that state legislatures will become more important than ever.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Pence and his Christian Taliban believe that life begins at the first kiss or handshake.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)No fetus has ever survived if mother gets killed during 1st trimester, and extremely slim chance in 2nd trimester.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)What matters is that I have 2 daughters in their 20's.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)About our reproductive rights. Unfortunately its been a notable trend.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)mansplaining to me. Women don't often start a sentence with "relax". It insinuates irrational or hysterical behavior by the person you're responding to. If you had written: My money is on Roe Vs Wade stays as is. That would have been a more respectful response. That's all.
mythology
(9,527 posts)And that's what the sky is falling stuff is. Literally nothing is going to change tomorrow. And screaming that all is lost unless our elected officials lose their minds too. But even if it was, when does panic ever help? When drowning? Nope. When there's a fire? Nope. It's irrational by nature.
And it's not mansplaining in my experience because the person who taught me to think that way is my mom.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)as you correctly surmised.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)A woman in a non abortion state who gets an abortion in those states?
quartz007
(1,216 posts)since there will be no federal statute in place.
Takket
(21,650 posts)just like if you go to Colorado and buy weed and smoke it, then go back to Wyoming, Wyoming cannot arrest you for buying weed.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Jeff Sessions would set it up and use the leftover holding cell cages from baby 👶 immigrants.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,921 posts)and then go to Nevada where that thing is a crime, Nevada can't prosecute me for it because I didn't commit that crime in Nevada.
Takket
(21,650 posts)which is why the november election is so important still
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Actually I have serious doubt, even a 5-4 conservative court will abolish Roe-Wade. It is an established law, and the court does not lightly reverse something in place for decades.
Salviati
(6,009 posts)... is not something I would count on.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)I base my opinion of abortions staying legal based on observing the current crop of politicians for decades.
Hekate
(90,901 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,921 posts)that are not consistent with Roe v. Wade.
Iol59
(25 posts)Democratic Party should be running an ad 24/7 from now til the election of Donald Trump saying "yes a woman should be punished for an abortion" when he was interviewed on Hardball.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Probably death. I hear that self-induced, knitting needle and coathanger abortions are often fatal when the woman bleeds out. Or when there are other complications like infection that can also cause death or sterility.
ariadne0614
(1,739 posts)I had a near-death experience at 19, due to a back alley abortion before Roe vs. Wade. Desperate girls and women wont be deterred by laws against abortion.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Abortion would have to be considered murder in the 1st degree if the fetus is viewed as a living human being at conception.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,669 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Would make abortion illegal for poor women in red states. Most states would keep it legal, and anyone who could afford to go to a nearby state (or Canada if necessary) could still get the procedure.
Planned Parenthood has already discussed a fund and procedures to allow women who cant afford it tonget transportation to a nearby state if needed.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)of rides across state lines for the procedure. Minors even without parental consent will be barred from leaving the state to get an abortion. You can be sure that every creative way they can come up with to rat f**k poor scared women will be tried.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)As soon as they can, unless they are very rightwing, young women and LGBTQ people will leave red states. The brain drain is going to be enormous. California, eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington will likely be stopping points out of red states. On the eastcoast, Virginia, Maryland, DC, New York City metro, Conneticutt, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, Southern New Hampshire will be stopping points for the red state out migration.
nycbos
(6,039 posts)Women who could afford it would fly to the UK.
Hekate
(90,901 posts)Ah, the Good Old Days.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and mistresses to another country for a safe abortion like before. The ones who cannot afford to go to another country will probably try to self abort or go to a local untrained so called abortionist which will require cash money.
Media is not covering what is happening in states such as Texas, and that is only the beginning.
History will repeat itself. Women and babies will die. Illegal and llegal abortionist will go to prison, and so will women who surives the abortion. The Prison facilities will make a killing.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Very religious. The city offers free birth control at some location here. There are women's clinics, but I never see protesters. A good percentage of republicans here are the chamber of commerce types, there are lots of deplorables, but there are lots of soft republicans that have deep family roots in the party.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Evangelicals do love their death penalty
RandySF
(59,480 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)RandySF
(59,480 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)The U.S. is about to turn into El Salvador.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)child support until the child is 18 whether he is in a relationship with the mother or not. They can't force a woman to face such a harsh penalty without making the father responsible as well.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Besides, the GOP dream is for all children born out of wedlock to be given up for adoption.
ariadne0614
(1,739 posts)The patriarchy is reasserting itself, and women will go back to bearing all of the burden and all of the blame.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)they do not seem to do that very well now. If the child was produced out of stranger rape and the mother has no clue who it was then what? It still seems at least to some small degree that men still have less responsibility for the result of a pregnancy. We may be out of the dark ages ( for now ) but women still get the blame for becoming pregnant out of wedlock. We ( women ) may have come some ways in our rights when it comes to pregnancy and our bodies but not far enough and what we have gained is about to be taken away.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They will have to find a way. DNA testing and wage and asset garnishments. They will just have to get creative because I am sure that the taxpayers are not going to want to have to support all these unwanted children and single mothers. They don't think things through. Outlawing abortion will be a disaster in more ways than one. Who will pick up the tab?
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I was under the impression that is what welfare for single mothers is.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Tucker08087
(621 posts)There must be a plan put into effect for the fathers. If the mother is jailed or convicted but on probation, she would be deemed unfit, and the father MUST be required to step up or also face prison. Takes two to Tango.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)handmade34
(22,759 posts)the future is here...
handmade34
(22,759 posts)2016
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ypa8z7/the-new-reality-women-charged-for-murder-after-self-inducing-abortions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/abortion-pregnancy-law-prosecute-trump
Solly Mack
(90,794 posts)hexola
(4,835 posts)He actually said that...
Mariana
(14,861 posts)The higher the percentage of Christians in the population of a state, the harsher the punishment will be.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)This is only at first, of course, when the states are permitted to ban abortion but aren't required to do so. Some states will refuse to outlaw abortion. That isn't acceptable, so before too long abortion will be made a federal crime, with federal penalties.
Odoreida
(1,549 posts)According to state laws that existed at the time, the doctor was the criminal and the woman was the victim.
And RR overheated rhetoric notwithstanding, it was never legally equated with murder.
However, there can never be "going back to the old days" no matter how bad the legal regime gets, due to the efficacy of abortion drugs that did not exist back then.
handmade34
(22,759 posts)women are already being punished for self abortions
haele
(12,686 posts)Yes, they were bigots and believed the woman should be a good little breeder for her owner, and also bear the wages of sinful activity. However, unlike evilangelicals these days, they weren't so crazy for blood sacrifices to appease their sociopath preachers and cult leaders that they're willing to let their own daughters be killed for the sin of being born female, moreso if the female is halfway pretty or has an independent or curious mind of her own.
The problem is when liberals and minorities lose their franchise or citizenship because of either apathy or voter suppression, and you can easily get angry a-holes who will eagarly hang anyone they can just to ensure their control over an ever decreasing base of followers.
And we're already seeing these Right Hand of Delusional God cult leaders running and winning local offices.
Haele
TomSlick
(11,118 posts)A fetus is a person. Therefore, abortion is murder. Therefore, both the doctor and patient are guilty of premeditated murder deserving of the death penalty.
I fully expect Roe to be overturned. When it does, half the States will prosecute woman for attempted murder for even seeking an abortion. Doctors performing an abortion and woman receiving the treatment will receive the death penalty. It seems inevitable.
The only hope is that when people realize what it really means to overturn Roe, there will be a backlash in the states. Maybe not much of a hope but it's all I see.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,435 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Just ask Mitt....you cant kill it without being killed yourself.
FakeNoose
(32,833 posts)It's not just Democrats who would be affected. And this WOULD BE a disaster, except I don't believe they would ever actually do it.
LeftInTX
(25,648 posts)Also abortion rates have been going down. Being a single parent doesn't have the stigma that it used to have, even for Republican women. (Sarah Palin's daughter)
Staph
(6,253 posts)Will they overturn Roe v. Wade? What can the Evangelicals use as a rallying cry without Roe v. Wade? What issue can the Republicans promise to the (im)Moral Majority?
That thought is the only thing keeping me sane this evening.
LeftInTX
(25,648 posts)For 40 years this has been their obsession.
Who knows...they probably have something more sinister up their sleeves.
Maybe they will insist on public stonings of gays or something.