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Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:03 PM

If Roe is overturned, what will be the punishment for abortion?

First degree premeditated murder by both the Mother and the Doctor?
So, will they be executed or given life in prison?
If a fetus is declared a person, that punishment would naturally follow, right?

Chew on that, you ďpro lifeĒ fuckwads.

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Reply If Roe is overturned, what will be the punishment for abortion? (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #1
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #2
quartz007 Jun 2018 #8
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #13
quartz007 Jun 2018 #16
Control-Z Jun 2018 #26
quartz007 Jun 2018 #34
bettyellen Jun 2018 #46
Control-Z Jun 2018 #49
mythology Jun 2018 #56
quartz007 Jun 2018 #3
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #5
quartz007 Jun 2018 #11
Takket Jun 2018 #12
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #15
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #25
Takket Jun 2018 #9
quartz007 Jun 2018 #14
Salviati Jun 2018 #52
quartz007 Jun 2018 #58
Hekate Jun 2018 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #23
Iol59 Jun 2018 #4
NurseJackie Jun 2018 #6
ariadne0614 Jun 2018 #31
TheMastersNemesis Jun 2018 #7
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #10
CurtEastPoint Jun 2018 #17
SCantiGOP Jun 2018 #19
exboyfil Jun 2018 #27
Blue_true Jun 2018 #59
nycbos Jun 2018 #28
Hekate Jun 2018 #20
SoCalDem Jun 2018 #21
Iliyah Jun 2018 #22
Blue_true Jun 2018 #60
Still In Wisconsin Jun 2018 #24
RandySF Jun 2018 #29
StevieM Jun 2018 #32
RandySF Jun 2018 #37
StevieM Jun 2018 #39
bettyellen Jun 2018 #47
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #30
StevieM Jun 2018 #33
ariadne0614 Jun 2018 #38
Doreen Jun 2018 #55
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #62
Doreen Jun 2018 #63
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #64
Tucker08087 Jun 2018 #35
StevieM Jun 2018 #36
handmade34 Jun 2018 #41
handmade34 Jun 2018 #40
Solly Mack Jun 2018 #43
hexola Jun 2018 #42
Mariana Jun 2018 #44
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #45
Mariana Jun 2018 #50
Odoreida Jun 2018 #48
handmade34 Jun 2018 #53
haele Jun 2018 #65
TomSlick Jun 2018 #51
Eyeball_Kid Jun 2018 #54
Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #57
FakeNoose Jun 2018 #61
LeftInTX Jun 2018 #68
Staph Jun 2018 #66
LeftInTX Jun 2018 #67

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:05 PM

1. Overturning Roe would mean only that the states could regulate abortion

by limiting, prohibiting or allowing it. That means that state legislatures will become more important than ever.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:06 PM

2. Slippery slope

Pence and his Christian Taliban believe that life begins at the first kiss or handshake.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM

8. LOL that is so stupid and illogical

 

No fetus has ever survived if mother gets killed during 1st trimester, and extremely slim chance in 2nd trimester.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:11 PM

13. Trying for a little humor in a terribly awful day and situation.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:14 PM

16. Relax, my money is on Roe Vs Wade stays as is...nt

 

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:26 PM

26. Are you a boy or a girl? eom

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:41 PM

34. why do you ask my gender?

 

What matters is that I have 2 daughters in their 20's.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:54 PM

46. Because I've heard tons of advice to "relax" from men, but never once from a woman who cared...

 

About our reproductive rights. Unfortunately itís been a notable trend.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:58 PM

49. Because your comment sounded a bit like

mansplaining to me. Women don't often start a sentence with "relax". It insinuates irrational or hysterical behavior by the person you're responding to. If you had written: My money is on Roe Vs Wade stays as is. That would have been a more respectful response. That's all.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:24 PM

56. Panicking is irrational

 

And that's what the sky is falling stuff is. Literally nothing is going to change tomorrow. And screaming that all is lost unless our elected officials lose their minds too. But even if it was, when does panic ever help? When drowning? Nope. When there's a fire? Nope. It's irrational by nature.

And it's not mansplaining in my experience because the person who taught me to think that way is my mom.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:06 PM

3. yes, then abortions become a state by state issue

 

as you correctly surmised.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM

5. So what's the punishment for

A woman in a non abortion state who gets an abortion in those states?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:10 PM

11. My guess is it will upto that state

 

since there will be no federal statute in place.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:10 PM

12. i wouldn't think anything............

just like if you go to Colorado and buy weed and smoke it, then go back to Wyoming, Wyoming cannot arrest you for buying weed.

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Response to Takket (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:13 PM

15. We may see extradition from state to state

Jeff Sessions would set it up and use the leftover holding cell cages from baby 👶 immigrants.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:25 PM

25. There isn't one. If I do something in North Dakota that's not a crime in North Dakota

and then go to Nevada where that thing is a crime, Nevada can't prosecute me for it because I didn't commit that crime in Nevada.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM

9. assuming of course a Federal law isn't passed to ban it nationwide...............

which is why the november election is so important still

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Response to Takket (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:12 PM

14. The odds of that Law passing are close to zero

 

Actually I have serious doubt, even a 5-4 conservative court will abolish Roe-Wade. It is an established law, and the court does not lightly reverse something in place for decades.

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:07 PM

52. Counting on norms or precedents to rein in these radical reactionaries...

... is not something I would count on.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:24 PM

58. Only things guaranteed are death & taxes

 

I base my opinion of abortions staying legal based on observing the current crop of politicians for decades.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:16 PM

18. Abortion has been regulated from Day One. It has never NOT been regulated. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:22 PM

23. That's true. By "regulated" I meant more regulated or limited in ways

that are not consistent with Roe v. Wade.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:07 PM

4. Run an ad 24/7

Democratic Party should be running an ad 24/7 from now til the election of Donald Trump saying "yes a woman should be punished for an abortion" when he was interviewed on Hardball.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM

6. Probably death. I hear that self-induced, knitting needle and coathanger abortions are often fatal...

Probably death. I hear that self-induced, knitting needle and coathanger abortions are often fatal when the woman bleeds out. Or when there are other complications like infection that can also cause death or sterility.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:40 PM

31. True, that.

I had a near-death experience at 19, due to a back alley abortion before Roe vs. Wade. Desperate girls and women wonít be deterred by laws against abortion.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM

7. Death Penalty Or Life Without Parole.

 

Abortion would have to be considered murder in the 1st degree if the fetus is viewed as a living human being at conception.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:09 PM

10. My point exactly.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:14 PM

17. Watch 'The Handmaid's Tale' They are the Unwomen.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:16 PM

19. Overturning Roe v Wade

Would make abortion illegal for poor women in red states. Most states would keep it legal, and anyone who could afford to go to a nearby state (or Canada if necessary) could still get the procedure.

Planned Parenthood has already discussed a fund and procedures to allow women who canít afford it tonget transportation to a nearby state if needed.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:27 PM

27. Then the laws preventing the advertisement

of rides across state lines for the procedure. Minors even without parental consent will be barred from leaving the state to get an abortion. You can be sure that every creative way they can come up with to rat f**k poor scared women will be tried.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:24 PM

59. My guess.

As soon as they can, unless they are very rightwing, young women and LGBTQ people will leave red states. The brain drain is going to be enormous. California, eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington will likely be stopping points out of red states. On the eastcoast, Virginia, Maryland, DC, New York City metro, Conneticutt, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, Southern New Hampshire will be stopping points for the red state out migration.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:27 PM

28. That was the situation in Ireland.

Women who could afford it would fly to the UK.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:18 PM

20. Death from sepsis or bleeding out. Unless you are rich. Loss of medical license for the provider.

Ah, the Good Old Days.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:19 PM

21. infection...infertility..death? n/t

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:22 PM

22. Politicans and people with money will be able to send their daugthers

and mistresses to another country for a safe abortion like before. The ones who cannot afford to go to another country will probably try to self abort or go to a local untrained so called abortionist which will require cash money.


Media is not covering what is happening in states such as Texas, and that is only the beginning.


History will repeat itself. Women and babies will die. Illegal and llegal abortionist will go to prison, and so will women who surives the abortion. The Prison facilities will make a killing.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:30 PM

60. I live in a red area of Florida.

Very religious. The city offers free birth control at some location here. There are women's clinics, but I never see protesters. A good percentage of republicans here are the chamber of commerce types, there are lots of deplorables, but there are lots of soft republicans that have deep family roots in the party.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:24 PM

24. I would imagine the woman and her doctor will both be executed

 

Evangelicals do love their death penalty

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:31 PM

29. I believe doctors were punished, patients not so much.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:40 PM

32. I think you might have mis-wrote what you were trying to say here. (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:43 PM

37. Yeah yeah. I don't think patients were punished much.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:46 PM

39. That won't last. Ultimately they will go after the women. They always do.

The U.S. is about to turn into El Salvador.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:57 PM

47. Women have gone to jail for miscarrying or getting high while pregnant.

 

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:39 PM

30. Then they will have to pass some kind of law forcing the biological father to pay

child support until the child is 18 whether he is in a relationship with the mother or not. They can't force a woman to face such a harsh penalty without making the father responsible as well.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:41 PM

33. Sure they can. And they will.

Besides, the GOP dream is for all children born out of wedlock to be given up for adoption.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:43 PM

38. Don't be naive.

The patriarchy is reasserting itself, and women will go back to bearing all of the burden and all of the blame.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:19 PM

55. How are they going to make the biological fathers pay?

they do not seem to do that very well now. If the child was produced out of stranger rape and the mother has no clue who it was then what? It still seems at least to some small degree that men still have less responsibility for the result of a pregnancy. We may be out of the dark ages ( for now ) but women still get the blame for becoming pregnant out of wedlock. We ( women ) may have come some ways in our rights when it comes to pregnancy and our bodies but not far enough and what we have gained is about to be taken away.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:37 PM

62. If they don't pay, taxpayers will have to instead. And that's not going to go over well.

They will have to find a way. DNA testing and wage and asset garnishments. They will just have to get creative because I am sure that the taxpayers are not going to want to have to support all these unwanted children and single mothers. They don't think things through. Outlawing abortion will be a disaster in more ways than one. Who will pick up the tab?

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:40 PM

63. Isn't that what happens now? It sure seems like it.

I was under the impression that is what welfare for single mothers is.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:53 PM

64. And they still hate it. The problem is that there will be a hell of a lot more of them.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:43 PM

35. If this does happen,

There must be a plan put into effect for the fathers. If the mother is jailed or convicted but on probation, she would be deemed unfit, and the father MUST be required to step up or also face prison. Takes two to Tango.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:43 PM

36. Here is what our future looks like:

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Response to StevieM (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:48 PM

41. see #40

the future is here...

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:47 PM

40. the future is here...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/18/tenn-woman-who-attempted-coat-hanger-abortion-faces-three-new-felony-charges/?utm_term=.95a67047316c
2016
a grand jury... issuing an indictment with three new charges, all felonies: aggravated assault with a weapon, attempted procurement of a miscarriage and attempted criminal abortion.


https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ypa8z7/the-new-reality-women-charged-for-murder-after-self-inducing-abortions
36-year-old Bei Bei Shuai, who was charged with murder in Indiana in 2011 after she attempted suicide by way of ingesting rat poison while being 33 weeks pregnant. Shuai survived the attempt and ten days later gave birth via emergency C-section. The baby died two days later and Shuai was charged with murder and attempted feticide.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/abortion-pregnancy-law-prosecute-trump
Last year, Georgia prosecutors attempted to charge Kenlissa Jones with attempted murder after authorities claimed that Jones used abortion drugs to self-induce a miscarriage. Arkansas prosecutors charged a 37-year-old named Anne Bynum for allegedly using the same pills. The best-known of these cases even unfolded in Vice-President-elect Mike Penceís backyard: Purvi Patel, an Indiana woman, apparently used abortion drugs she had obtained over the internet to try to end her pregnancy in its second trimester. Patel was sentenced to 20 years in prison




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Response to handmade34 (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:50 PM

43. Thank you

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:49 PM

42. Remember - during the election Trump said the women should be punished

 

He actually said that...

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:50 PM

44. It depends on the state, of course.

The higher the percentage of Christians in the population of a state, the harsher the punishment will be.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:52 PM

45. So, Alabama death by stoning/Georgia death by hanging.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:58 PM

50. Something like that, yes.

This is only at first, of course, when the states are permitted to ban abortion but aren't required to do so. Some states will refuse to outlaw abortion. That isn't acceptable, so before too long abortion will be made a federal crime, with federal penalties.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:57 PM

48. *Before* Roe what was the punishment?

 

According to state laws that existed at the time, the doctor was the criminal and the woman was the victim.

And RR overheated rhetoric notwithstanding, it was never legally equated with murder.


However, there can never be "going back to the old days" no matter how bad the legal regime gets, due to the efficacy of abortion drugs that did not exist back then.

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Response to Odoreida (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:16 PM

53. see #40

women are already being punished for self abortions

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Response to Odoreida (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:30 PM

65. Before Roe, there was not so many religious hysterics.

Yes, they were bigots and believed the woman should be a good little breeder for her owner, and also bear the wages of sinful activity. However, unlike evilangelicals these days, they weren't so crazy for blood sacrifices to appease their sociopath preachers and cult leaders that they're willing to let their own daughters be killed for the sin of being born female, moreso if the female is halfway pretty or has an independent or curious mind of her own.
The problem is when liberals and minorities lose their franchise or citizenship because of either apathy or voter suppression, and you can easily get angry a-holes who will eagarly hang anyone they can just to ensure their control over an ever decreasing base of followers.
And we're already seeing these Right Hand of Delusional God cult leaders running and winning local offices.

Haele

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:07 PM

51. Follow the Talibangelical logic.

A fetus is a person. Therefore, abortion is murder. Therefore, both the doctor and patient are guilty of premeditated murder deserving of the death penalty.

I fully expect Roe to be overturned. When it does, half the States will prosecute woman for attempted murder for even seeking an abortion. Doctors performing an abortion and woman receiving the treatment will receive the death penalty. It seems inevitable.

The only hope is that when people realize what it really means to overturn Roe, there will be a backlash in the states. Maybe not much of a hope but it's all I see.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:18 PM

54. Using the logic of the anti-Choice folks, it MUST be a capital crime with capital punishment. n/t

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:24 PM

57. If a fetus is a person, just like a corporation....

Just ask Mitt....you canít kill it without being killed yourself.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:36 PM

61. Unwanted pregnancies happen to Republican women too

It's not just Democrats who would be affected. And this WOULD BE a disaster, except I don't believe they would ever actually do it.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #61)

Thu Jun 28, 2018, 01:27 AM

68. Yes, but they have the means to travel to states where it's legal.

Also abortion rates have been going down. Being a single parent doesn't have the stigma that it used to have, even for Republican women. (Sarah Palin's daughter)

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:30 PM

66. I'm tired and upset over all of the recent bad news, but ...

Will they overturn Roe v. Wade? What can the Evangelicals use as a rallying cry without Roe v. Wade? What issue can the Republicans promise to the (im)Moral Majority?

That thought is the only thing keeping me sane this evening.


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Response to Staph (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 28, 2018, 01:24 AM

67. I'm thinking the same too

For 40 years this has been their obsession.

Who knows...they probably have something more sinister up their sleeves.

Maybe they will insist on public stonings of gays or something.

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